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Survivor 28: Brawn, Brains and Beauty

Plus Garrett actually had an awesome space-cadet personality to go along with it. I hope he's hanging out in Eddie's doggy-bar every Wednesday night with Elissa Slater watching this show and sharing pills.

Also if LJ or Tony win this season, this will be my reaction.

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People seem to think LJ is the frontrunner but I'm just not convinced for some reason. His edit feels situational because he was the leader of the Beauties and then found an Idol; as a viewer his story just seems so empty. Then again, so does LJ himself, so maybe that's what's throwing me off.
 
OMG slip can you imagine if Trish did pull off a Pilates alliance and we ended up with a F3 of Trish/Kass/Tasha? That's pretty much the only scenario where I wouldn't mind seeing Trish lose (to Tasha, natch).
 
LOL Here's Morgan saying everything we've been saying about these people:
 
She loves Tasha and Trish and finds the guys underwhelming? What's NOT to love about this girl???

I forgot she was actually in the Pilates class too so in my fantasy scenario, I can scratch off annoying Kass and have an alliance of Trish/Tasha/Jeffra/Morgan.
 
Morgan is my root for the win... i m a lil worried bout her next week but we'll see !!

Morgan , spencer & Tasha needs to go FAR FAR
 
Here's who I'd like to see win from most to least:
1. Tasha - SO overdue for another black girl winner <3
2. Trish - also overdue for another crazed middle-aged female winner <3
3. Morgan - not happening, but it'd be hilarious.
4. Woo - I could see him as a Bob or Fabio-type winner, but I like him more than either of them.
5. Jefra - also not happening but I'd like to see another coming of Natalie White.
6. Kass - lol. People crucify older women for playing strategic games as it is, but Kass also does it while being unapologetic and whiffing her own air of superiority. I don't think there's a player who has less of a chance of winning than she does, but if hell froze over anyway I'd love to see the meltdowns from casual viewers.
7/8. LJ/Jeremiah - zzzzzz.
9. Spencer - something about him is really grating to me, he always comes off kind of smug.
10. Tony - he'd still be more tolerable than most of BB USA's winners, at least.
 
I would rank Kass the lowest but otherwise I'm totally down with that list.
 
Really I only rank Kass above the guys because the fan outrage would be delicious. I can only imagine that the reaction toward LJ/Jeremiah winning would be "Yay, that blandly attractive non-offensive guy won! What a satisfying season :)" which: ew.
 
Sidenote, I recently rewatched Pearl Islands (I had been in and out of that season when it originally aired) and I was surprised at 1) how satisfying it was 2) how disturbingly hot Burton was and 3) how much more heavily Sandra was featured and clearly in the thick of it than I had remembered. Why do people always act like hers was a WTF win. The audience actually really liked her and she wasn't invisible like Natalie White.

Also slip, that season featured a crazy hag for the ages in Lil the scout-leader, whose irritating and needy personality was redeemed by her refusal to take Johnny Fairplay to the finals (even if it meant losing the million dollars) simply because she found him as vile and disgusting as we did.
 
This is just a rumor, and it doesn't involve where any of the players place in the game so I don't think it needs a spoiler warning, but on one of Rob's podcasts, the totally awesome Laura Morett said there's a rumor that this season has a F2. GOD I hope that's true and I hope it signals a permanent return to that format.
 
Sidenote, I recently rewatched Pearl Islands (I had been in and out of that season when it originally aired) and I was surprised at 1) how satisfying it was

Yes. Pearl Islands is still the greatest season ever, IMO. It has it all. The perfect balance of strategy and character development. Hilariously insane women. Power struggles, rootable heroes, villains that get their comeuppance in the end, bullshit twists that you forgive because of the epicness they unleash from a narrative standpoint, Sandra winning, etc.

2) how disturbingly hot Burton was

Yes!

3) how much more heavily Sandra was featured and clearly in the thick of it than I had remembered. Why do people always act like hers was a WTF win. The audience actually really liked her and she wasn't invisible like Natalie White.

Yes!!! To be fair, the "WTF winner" argument seems to be more lodged against her HvV win, I think, and she was definitely more accepted by the audience than Jenna Morasca or Amber (the winners immediately before and after her). It's also clear that newer fans had never seen Pearl Islands or at least not paid attention to anything that wasn't Rupert roaring or Fairplay's grandma lie, because a lot of people didn't even remember Sandra or how she played and won her first game by the time she returned for HvV. It was also clear that Russell had never seen Pearl Islands either, because that enabled Sandra to do the same exact shit she did again in HvV and win.

Also slip, that season featured a crazy hag for the ages in Lil the scout-leader, whose irritating and needy personality was redeemed by her refusal to take Johnny Fairplay to the finals (even if it meant losing the million dollars) simply because she found him as vile and disgusting as we did.

Yes, Lill was a HUGE part of making Pearl Islands as epic as it was. Everything from her being voted out to being voted back in (ed note: in post-show interviews it was confirmed that the Outcasts basically voted Lill out of Loser Lodge because her mopey persona was ruining their vacation - LOL), to icing Savage in the same way he had done to her on Day Nine, to going on the most hilarious domination of the game ever, being the pivotal number for just about every post-merge elimination all while being wrapped in the package of an unassuming, sobbing menopausal mess, and then having the decency to realize that even Johnny Fairplay would have beaten her in the end and therefore denying him the win in favor of Sandra. Was that all one long run-on sentence? Either way, Lill <3
 
to icing Savage in the same way he had done to her on Day Nine,

OH YES! In the annals of Survivor dipshits getting their comeuppance, that has to be one of the best ones! Right up there with Edgardo's face falling on Survivor Fiji.

Pearl Islands really was VERY entertaining. You're right, it's probably the best overall season. I think I'd always remembered it less fondly because I wasn't paying as much attention to it when it first aired and America falling in love with Rupert was something I JUST DID NOT GET. Part of the reason I kept losing interest was because there was so much footage of him and it threatened to become the Rupert Show.* It's a good example of how some shows are better retrospectively when you can watch one episode after another rather than week to week.

Oh and in addition to Burton's hotness, we also had Osten's pecs which were great...except for them being attached to Osten.

*unlike the actual Rupert show aka America's Tribal Council which -- more so than Redemption Island or the Tyler Perry idol -- is the most bullshit thing they've ever done.
 
I don't know, I think America was so enchanted by Rupert due to first impressions. It was a season about pirates and he was born to play the role, and of course people were fucking raving about him stealing Morgan's stuff when they all dropped it off next to him and scrambled off into the village in the premiere. After that, yeah, he never really did much to warrant the Rupertmania that hit America in 2003-2004 again. But I loved that even Christa and Sandra were sitting around in the ocean going "Oh mah god, what are we gonna do about Rupert? We have to vote him out!"

Speaking of which, dropping everyone off in a local village to get supplies provided so many hilarious moments that I'm surprised they've never tried to do that again.
 
My order of people I like best: Spencer, Trish, LJ, and Jeremy because I have never seem anyone with an emptier head or worse grammar. Normally in life you at least pick up the right way to speak and the right words to use in the right order.
 
Speaking of which, dropping everyone off in a local village to get supplies provided so many hilarious moments that I'm surprised they've never tried to do that again.

Sandra OWNED that premiere village raid. Not just because she spoke Spanish, but also because of hilarious commentary like, "The woman liked her...in a sexual way."
 
Sidenote, I recently rewatched "Pearl Islands" (I had been in and out of that season when it originally aired [Fall 2003]) and I was surprised at 1) how satisfying it was 2) how disturbingly hot Burton was and 3) how much more heavily Sandra was featured and clearly in the thick of it than I had remembered. Why do people always act like [Sandra's] was a WTF win[?] The audience actually really liked her and she wasn't invisible like Natalie White.

Reason is that many people don't understand the nature of the dynamics involved in Survivor. I have a close relative with whom I discuss the show. She liked that Sarah was voted out last week because she was obnoxious. (Her take. Not mine.) My relative, in our conversations, will ask why there are castaways who don't vote out an obviously rude and obnoxious person? (From the collective perceptions of those watching the show and observing good and bad behavior.) That's her understanding. As if Survivor is about proper conduct, involving more than ten people, who are on a long camping trip. That those who don't maintain good behavior should lose out. But of course, my relative will say that she knows the show isn't really about that. But, when I talked with her about last week's episode [04.02.2014], she was puzzled that I told her that Kass destroyed her game. That, from a game standpoint, she cut her own throat in regards to whether she can win (even if she somehow makes it to the end).

Further on the people who don't understand the nature of the game: Dalton Ross, and his Survivor-writing reports for Entertainment Weekly, doesn't get it. In 2009, he bitched that Russell should have won Samoa. That the jury should have seen that Russell was the best at playing the game—rather than having voted Natalie the winner. Linda Holmes, who has written for more than one source, countered by saying that Russell wasn't the best player; because, while he was great at scavenger hunts (in finding Immunity Idols), he failed to get the jury votes. (Russell received two votes from nine cast. Natalie landslide to victory winning all remaining seven.) Part of what Ross said was something about the jury having a duty to take their jobs seriously. Holmes countered that by saying that if any jurors are taking that seriously, like a job, then they (and Dalton Ross) have lost their grips (as in, lost their minds) on reality. And Holmes was right: The jurors can handle the voting however each of them will. They can base voting on whatever criteria. They can base it on nothing. So long as Survivor has a recording of their individual votes.


Also slip, that season featured a crazy hag for the ages in Lil the scout-leader, whose irritating and needy personality was redeemed by her refusal to take Johnny Fairplay to the finals (even if it meant losing the million dollars) simply because she found him as vile and disgusting as we did.

Lill was emotional. Yet it was necessary given her circumstances. Her Morgan tribe quickly united in the early days of the game with five (Andrew, Tijuana, Ryan, Darrah, and Osten). They had low regard for the other Ryan as well as Nicole (voted out first in "Pearl Islands") and, afterward, Lill. She was out of that in-group, within her the Morgan tribe, and they screwed her. They screwed her simply because they had their in-group established. Like a clique.

In the merge episode, as Lillian and Burton (who ousted from Drake) were returned to the game, she realistically noted that—for all her original tribe's promises of unity—Andrew, Tijuana, Ryan, and Darrah were still there and they were resentful of her return to the game. (Osten had quit the game.)

Lillian and Burton, were already united (at that points as Outcasts), knew they had to work together to find a way to navigate the game by plowing through much of their original tribes. Revenge? Yes. And they were immune with that merge episode that put all others not with Immunity at risk. (Burton won the Immunity. He bullshitted Rupert with solidarity nonsense and gave him an Idol.) These two worked with that merge episode, and after, to figure out their process. So they got rid of Morgan's Andrew (10th place); Morgan's Ryan (9th place); Drake's Rupert (8th place); Morgan's Tijuana (7th place); and Drake's Christa (6th place). Whether it was planned, they essentially zig-zagged between originals of both tribes as they ousted them from the merge episode going forward.

When Pearl Islands emerged with the remaining five castaways, Lillian picked up—with an accurate read—that Burton joined with Jon (Fairplay). That they were scheming to fuck her over into fifth place. (Burton won the Reward challenge and celebrated it with Jon.) That the two guys were telling Lillian that Darrah would go out; but Lill had her instincts that, with Burton and Jon, they were burning too many bridges and actually had in mind each other for Final Two. (Paraphrasing Lill's confessional: "And it dawned on me: If they can screw over Darrah, they can screw over me.") So, Lill figured, not unlike Burton, that she didn't fight her way back into the game for nothing. She was trusting in going with Burton to the end. But that wasn't true with Burton. And the votes lined up: Lillian (Burton, Jon) vs. Burton (Lillian, Darrah, Sandra). Burton ended up finishing in 5th place. (Darrah, who also gave Lill bad vibes, went out into 4th place.)

Lillian did the right thing. Yes, she was doomed. Even had Lill not selected Sandra for Final Two, Jon would have defeated her. The problem with people's take on the outcome of Pearl Islands, and Sandra (who would become the first two-time Survivor winner, in Spring 2010, with Heroes vs. Villains), was that they forget that the questions and comments from jurors would not have been exactly as they materialized had the scenario Final Two been Lillian vs. Jon rather the actual Final Two (Lillian vs. Sandra).

It is true that Lillian admitted, in the "Reunion" special, that she chose Sandra over Jon because of more respect for the latter. But I think she knew that she wasn't going to win. So, in a situation like that, she probably flipped it in her head and imagined Sandra vs. Jon. And that helped inform her decision to eliminate Jon into 3rd place and go to the Final Tribal Council with Sandra.
 
Further on the people who don't understand the nature of the game: Dalton Ross, and his Survivor-writing reports for Entertainment Weekly, doesn't get it.

God, Dalton Ross is the absolute WORST. Can't stand that guy. You're right, he doesn't get what this show is about at all. In fact the only "expert" who may have as poor an understanding of Survivor as Dalton is the show's own host Jeff Probst.
 
Stay strong, Tasha. :(

Trish to scoop her up and the two of them to break up New Solana, please.

Also Sgt Pepper, because we have a hive mind, please explain to me why I find Spencer very annoying.
 
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