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Survivor Gabon Cast Is Up!

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If we were so lucky every week. We wondered tonight if thats why they suddenly gave them all swimsuits to wear? [-X

I can't remember when this started, but it's been going on for a few seasons. Turns out, most of the people complained about having to wear their clothes during water challenges, without having something dry to change into later. Rather than have everyone go naked (damn cbs) they decided to give them their swimsuits.
 
Dan hasn't proven to be quite that smart but I like him too. He seems nice so far, his eyes are beautiful and yeah he's hot.

Matty is growing on me too but only because his torso is amazing. I can see him turning into someone I root for but he can just as easily become a real ass.
I was a bit surprised Dan couldnt figure out the clues for the idol. Then to see Sugar figure it out made him look a little dim. Oh well. I might not have figured it out either.

Yea Matty looked pretty sexy sliding down that slide.

I think we are agreeing too much. Something is not right.lol. I'm actually agreeing a lot with your buddy falcon too.
 
They tried to give us some hints the fatal attraction was still around (cutting to Charlie shouting GO Marcus! in the challenge but not cutting to any other reaction shots). It just wasn't necessary to emphasize it for the outcome so they glossed and had to focus on Paloma and Ace.

I too would be glad for Sugar if it wouldn't help Ace. (Grrr)

Dan is hot but I prefer Marcus. It's a matter of taste I think. Marcus is more handsome-hot where Dan is more cute-hot

Yea she does seem sweet. ANd it was funny how she knew they thought she was too stupid to get it so they sent her. And she totally showed them.

Dan and Marcus do have a different kind of appeal. Marcus to me seems like someone would you marry. Dan is more like someone you'd hook up with. I feel like Charlie saying all this deep shit.lol.
 
I'm rooting for Crystal, Susie, Randy and Matty. I'm a sucker for Fang. I was pulled in by their underdog status.

Kinda mad Paloma left. Pre-show I disliked her, but now that shes gone... I'm kind of miss her.

Not too fond of the other tribe. Totally dislike the Onion alliance because of their cockiness. Especially Charlie.

I just hope that this doesn't happen...
Bob sides with the Onion alliance to become the obvious 5th and help them eliminate Kelly, Ace and Sugar. If he was smart he would flip on them
 
Why do people think they will get to the finals already? There is something called a merge.

Why did that guy have individual immunity?

Marcus had individual immunity from the very first challenge they ever did. This was just the first time that his tribe had to go to tribal council.

Surprise that no one is bashing GC. This guy is stupid, lazy, and too cocky for his own good. I have never seen anyone take so many breaks in a challenge as him. You don't take breaks when you are competing...
 
Well, I have to eat my words. !oops! They kicked ass this week! ..| I like Sugar. :-)

The first challenge they won was a give from Ace because they put Paloma on the stake who they knew could not hold on.

Dan being tackled by Charlie and Marcus was hot. What a threesome that would make.

Out Randy because you get on my nerves, out G C for the same reason. The older guy on Kota is amazing except for that last puzzle bit that lost the challenge. They should have voted out Ace because he and Sugar Dumpling will be a force as time goes on. Ace did succumb in the last pole/ stake hold on. Dan was stronger.
 
Yeah well Kota is still phsyically quite far ahead of the other tribe. It was the mental part that lost it for them and I don't think that Bob is stupid I think he just blew this one. So I think Kota is still pretty well off.
 
So True. And The Challenges Are Somewhat Lacking. If This Is Survivor - Make Them Survive. Give Them A Couple Spears And Tell Them To Hunt Their Own Damn Food. They All Come Off As Pampered And Lazy Which = Boring. Though Charlie Should Win Because He Is Gay - All Their Personalities Are About As Bland As The Rice They Eat. I Haven't Yet Given Up On This Season's Entertainment Value - But It Is Hardly On Its Way To Winning Any Emmys.

And IMHO The Eye Candy And Sex-Appeal Is Virtually Non-Existant. They Should Have Brought James Back For Yet Another Go Round - If For No Other Reason Than To Show The Others What A Sexy Guy Actually Looks Like.

WOW this is just like the perfect storm of inaccuracy. It's a front of random and bewildering capitalization collided with a development of inexplicable bizarre expectations in an area that was naturally lacking the resources of social perception and possible eyesight and it gave birth to the biggest storm since people dreamed up the flood of Noe.

So I guess really am trying to say here is that you my friend have made an EXCELLENT case for your ability to govern Alaska.

But more specifically THIS is one of the most insensitive, offensive, small minded remarks I've ever had the misfortune to read
Though Charlie Should Win Because He Is Gay
(Emphasis mine)

This is a sickeningly sorry oversimplification of sexuality that shows a horrible view of uniformity among a group of individuals who have the right to be as varied and diverse as the elements in the periodic table. No one SHOULD win anything BECAUSE they're gay. And to state such is tantamount to me saying that someone SHOULD win because they're white, or because they're male, or because they're American, or because of any number of extraneous commonalities which me and that person share. People should win things because of their talents, abilities, and performances not some random unchanging factor that has been established before the competition that had even begun. (And this of course goes for all competitions, games, collegiate affairs, job matters, and any other instance in which two individuals are competing for something).

Also after this many seasons I don't think that anyone turns on Survivor expecting to watch Bear Grylls shit. Hunting their own food won't make it a better show it will make it an entirely different show. And it also wouldn't make it related any more to "survival." Survivor does a wonderful job of getting past sheer physical prowess to create a show that really does test the qualities necessary for one to survive; adaptability, basic reasoning, resilience, sheer willl power and of course the MOST important trait for any human who wishes to survive social skills (including but not limited to the abilities to anticipate, influence, and understand another individuals thoughts, motives, and actions.)

Finally if by "sexy guy" you mean narrow-minded, arrogant, simplistic, sexist, ignorant imbecile than yeah they should bring James back.
 
Well said, falconfan.

Totallly loved the wrestling, especially the Marcus, Charlie, Dan tussle. That was HOT.

Marcus is still my fave. Gorgeous and a nice guy, too. I do like Dan, too. I absolutely despise Ace. Seems very fake, obnoxious and arrogant. I worry about Sugar giving him the idol. I actually kind of like Sugar after this week. More to her than I thought.
 
Uh oh. Just saw a promo for next week's show and Probst says "We are switching tribes". Knew it was coming. Hope this doesn't mess up Marcus or help Ace.
 
Uh oh. Just saw a promo for next week's show and Probst says "We are switching tribes". Knew it was coming. Hope this doesn't mess up Marcus or help Ace.
I don't have much faith that a network promo isn't intentionally misleading, but I wouldn't mind a shake up. It was WAY too soon to start throwing challenges, which was essentially what Ace's tribe did. You don't enter a challenge with any intent other than to win, even if it's a reward challenge that you don't feel you 'need'. How idiotic! Half (or more) of Survivor is psychological, and once the other team has a moment of win they will reinvigorate, which is what happened. Besides, any shake up could potentially place Marcus and Dan on the same team, which would cause some sort of melt down on my TV due to hotness!
 
I don't have much faith that a network promo isn't intentionally misleading, but I wouldn't mind a shake up. It was WAY too soon to start throwing challenges, which was essentially what Ace's tribe did. You don't enter a challenge with any intent other than to win, even if it's a reward challenge that you don't feel you 'need'. How idiotic! Half (or more) of Survivor is psychological, and once the other team has a moment of win they will reinvigorate, which is what happened. Besides, any shake up could potentially place Marcus and Dan on the same team, which would cause some sort of melt down on my TV due to hotness!

They didn't throw any challenges. They decided to keep their strongest people in for immunity knowing that they either had to have their weak people in for rewards or immunity they prioritized. That was intelligent. And it would've paid off had Bob not screwed up at the end.
 
NOT playing your strongest people IS throwing the challenge, IMO. Bob did fail against Ken, but Fang had their first psychological advantage going in based upon how the reward challenge had been played. YMMV, of course.
 
NOT playing your strongest people IS throwing the challenge, IMO. Bob did fail against Ken, but Fang had their first psychological advantage going in based upon how the reward challenge had been played. YMMV, of course.

Oh please, if they had played their strongest players in the rewards Bob wouldn't even have had the lead he had to begin with. It was intelligent strategic move that just showed they couldn't have won the third immunity no matter what.
 
Right and it was close anyway despite Bob's inability to solve the numerical puzzle (it's not like Ken got it on the first try, they were both neck and neck).

And more importantly they were trying to win Reward anyway! That is the exact opposite of "throwing" a competition. Hello? Ace was clawing and scraping and putting up an awesome fight -- Fang didn't exactly win by acclamation, it was very close. That wasn't a thrown comp. That was a battle to the end.

Very true. Insightful as always :kiss:
 
If Ace wanted to win, why did he tell Paloma to go knowing she didn't stand a chance against Crystal and Randy?
 
. Hello? Ace was clawing and scraping and putting up an awesome fight -- Fang didn't exactly win by acclamation, it was very close. That wasn't a thrown comp. That was a battle to the end.
When you go INTO the competition with the intent to reserve your stronger players, that IS 'throwing' the competition. That Ace and the others competed competently once the challenge began doesn't negate the fact that they had chosen to handicap themselves. And, as I stated before, psychology is just as important as physical ability in the challenges. Fang was buoyed by having won the reward challenge. Ken might indeed have done as well no matter what, but how much of being able to solve the puzzle might have come from a decent attitude and support from his team, and the idea that were in fact capable of winning something? It's a moot point, since it's a done deal. Looking forward to tomorrow.
 
When you go INTO the competition with the intent to reserve your stronger players, that IS 'throwing' the competition. That Ace and the others competed competently once the challenge began doesn't negate the fact that they had chosen to handicap themselves. And, as I stated before, psychology is just as important as physical ability in the challenges. Fang was buoyed by having won the reward challenge. Ken might indeed have done as well no matter what, but how much of being able to solve the puzzle might have come from a decent attitude and support from his team, and the idea that were in fact capable of winning something? It's a moot point, since it's a done deal. Looking forward to tomorrow.

Dictionary results for: throw Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) throw Spelled Pronunciation[throh] verb, threw, thrown, throw·ing, noun –verb (used with object)

15.to lose (a game, race, or other contest) intentionally, as for a bribe.

American Heritage Dictionary threw (thrōō), thrown (thrōn), throw·ing, throws

17. Informal to lose or give up (a contest for example) purposely

A clear and basic component of "throwing" a game or competition is the intent to lose that competition. This is not up for debate it's part of the English language. Therefore we are left with only two options:

1. The members of the Kota tribe went into the reward challenge trying to lose it and thereby "throwing" it.

2. The members of the Kota tribe did not go into the reward challenge with the intention of losing and therein did NOT "throw" it.

Now I maybe wrong but I don't think anyone is arguing that 1 is the case. This chatter about "throwing" is a matter of semantics and doesn't get to the core disagreement that exists.

I think it's pretty well established that the facts are these: The Kota tribe made a conscious decision to save their best players for the immunity challenge. In making this decision they hoped to strengthen their chances of winning the immunity challenge and weaken their chances of winning the reward challenge.

The question that is really causing all this conflict is a rather simple one... was the risk worth the benefit?

I'm of the school of thought that it was the wisest decision to risk loosing the reward by stacking the immunity roster. This belief stems from my overriding belief that in the game of Survivor immunity is far more important than reward. This seems like a natural intuitve response when one considers that you can only lose the game as a whole if you lose an immunity challenge and that reward challenges seldom, directly enhance ones ability to win immunity challenges, special privledges, or powers. Quite to the contrary LOSING reward is the way to get the highest level of individual power, the immunity idol. Furthermore 70% of a time one tribe has gone into a merger with a numbers advantage someone from that tribe has won and 5 out of thre 6 times the tribes went into a merger tied the tribe who gained the initial upper hand has won. So immunity is really incredibly pivotal. This can not be seen in the Ulong tribe, the only tribe EVER to hit the merger with only one member. Ulong was decimated in immunity challenges but actually won 1/2 of the reward challenges. So clearly immunity has a much greater outcome on the overall game. For this reason I think that the risk was well calculated and well worth it.

The only evidence I've seen against this relates to a theory of momentum. Said theory would state that the effects of losing a reward challenge extends further than losing the reward and in fact throws away a psychological advantage a team can retain by consistently winning.

I see no convincing evidence for A) applying this theory to these tribes or B) believing that a continued winning streak will produce such a psychological advantage that guarantees victory.

To first address
A) I feel like the idea that Fang was a hopeless tribe on a dismal loosing streak is incorrect. I find a lack of evidence for this notion. Fang lost three challenges in a row... but such is not really that uncommon. Of the 17 seasons of the show 14 have started out with only two tribes.* In HALF of those 14 seasons one tribe has lost the first 3 challenges (Africa, Marquesas, Thailand, Pearl Islands, Fiji, China and Gabon). As such it hardly seems fair to view the Fang tribe as pathetic losers destined to fail perpetually unless they were spooned their first taste of victory. This idea that Fang is excessively weak is likely the result of Probstian interference. In both his recaps and tribal he goes to great lengths to degrade and browbeat Fang thereby strengthen the concept of Fang's weakness in the audience's head.

B) I've seen no evidence for the theory of momentum in Survivor or other competitions and to be honest after the 2004 Red Sox vs Yankess play off series ( :( ) I don't think I'll ever be convinced of it. But even if we were to limit ourselves to Survivor the implication of the momentum theory in this instance seems to imply the following: Had Kota won reward they would've won tribal. This would mean that after four consecutive loses a team should be destined to lose...

Seems like a simple enough theory to prove/disprove. Find teams that have lost four consecutive challenges and see if that demoralized them so intensely that they could not win again.... the hiccup is Survivor's propensity for tribal switch ups will ruin any psychology argument by fundamentally crafting new tribes so the question now stands are there any tribes which lost four consecutive challenges and remained intact and if so how did they fair at future challenges....

In Survivor Outback the Ogakor tribe lost 4 consecutive challenges but managed to win the next challenge. Momentum theory -1 point.

The Maraamu tribe of Marquesas lost all 5 challenges before hitting a shakeup. Momentum theory +1 point

There was no tribal switch ups in Pearl Islands. Morgan lost six consecutive tribes but rather than being a completely malleable lump of unenthused losers they managed to beat Drake in four of the five subsequent challenge. Momentum theory -1 point

In Vanuatu the post merge Yasur tribe withstood four consecutive defeats to come back with two subsequent victories. Momentum theory -1 point

Ulong of Palau suffered 4 consecutive losses but still managed to win the shameless Pringles plug, I mean reward challenge, in week 7. Momentum theory -1 point.

Panama is an epically bad season for the momentum theory (though a great one for viewing pleasure). Not only did the La Mina tribe rebound from four consecutive losses to score a crucial immunity win (-1 point) but the momentum gained from Terry's five consecutive immunity wins was not enough to prevent Aras (-1 point) or Danielle (-1 point) from (gloriously) kicking his ass in weeks 12 and 13 respectively. Momentum theory -3 points.

In Fiji the Ravu tribe lost a stunning eight consecutive challenges never recovering until the tribal mix up in week 6. Momentum theory +1 point.

In Micronesia Airai had four challenges of momentum under their belt when they lost a challenge to Malakal. Momentum theory -1 point.

Momentum theory= -6 points

So it would seem that there is no reason to believe that a winning record creates a substantial and indominable force of momentum in the game Survivor. As such there's relatively no risk in endangering that momentum by reserving your strength for immunity.

Note: I didn't proofread. Please excuse spellign gramatical mistakes on account of I haven't slep in 37 hours


*This figure includes Survivor Palau as starting with 2 tribes despite having all castmembers cohabitate for a period of two days prior to tribe selection. Since no competitions were held during those 2 days it seems as if this will not fundamentally affect the calculations of competition figures.
 
Wow. Awesome post babe but I thought I was the one who wrote thesis responses?

You'd be surprised at my capacity to do virtually anything but focus on writing a paper the day before a paper's do ;)
 
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