Survivor Gabon Cast Is Up!

[falconfan]

Where did i call you or Falconfan a name.

You mention us by name all the time. And I'm not referring to quoting. And I mean that's fine mention me. But um...don't put things like this in later.

I don't like Crystal and Kenny and I don't see anything brilliant in what they have done that makes them like-able or good players, or social players if you will.

We've explained this several times and given you examples and your replies are never pointing out something wrong with our examples they're always broad statements...basically you make thesis but you don't support them and then when someone mentions a counter point rather than addressing them you just restate your thesis which doesn't address the actual issue just restates your position.

I'm not saying you have to like or care about them but to sit here and say they're not good players or they're not good strategist is just wrong. You can say you don't value strategy and that's fine (I for one don't view it that way... it is after al a strategy game. At the end of the day you can win every immunity challenge there is but even that can't give you the win, Colby and Ozzy, learned this the hard way. It can get you to the finish line but at the end of the day this game is won and lost on your ability to communicate, socialize, and persuade.) . But these two are CLEARLY good players. Based on this week alone they came into a tribe in a minority position and managed to A) eliminate the strongest threat to winning the game overall B) Seriously dent the apposing alliance C) Position themselves at the new HEAD of the tribe...precisely where they were at their last tribe and that's not a coincidence.

 

[Aratron]

I'd really like to know some of joesman and bidude's favorites from the past seasons...

 

[joesman]

Conspiring is not social. Being a whiner is not social. I just don't like Crystal for a thousand reasons and if there is something about her that you do like please feel free not to share it because being a do nothing, crybaby, whiner, fatass who can't climb a hill, a silly baby with the rice, and conspiring with the dumbest people ever on Survivor well Ha! That says a lot about ---------.

I admit I am sorry Marcus is gone. At least he was interesting. Kenny and Crystal are people I think are lucky they have other idiots to play against. As far as their social skills, none - their competition skills are naught.

This is my case ad I stick by it. You can argue with me all you want and try to refute what I believe to be true - Crystal has been a big nothing in challenges. Her social game is Kenny. Kenny's social game is to try and find a pretty girl who will like him and he is lousy in challenges. That's not faking losing. That is losing. And when you have a tribe as ridiculous as both the previous Fang tribes have been it is fairly easy to manipulate the fools.

Marcus was a more social player than anyone in Fang.

Arguments like this are like piss in the sand. There's never goign to be a turning point on either side.

Sela!

 

[joesman]

Just in case anyone is interested HeHe - Jessie Godderz is having a chat tonight on strengthnet.com.

http://www.strengthnet.com/enews/lt/t_go.php?i=4&e=MzIwMA==&l=-http--www.strengthnet.com

 

[falconfan]

That's not faking losing. That is losing.

Who gives a fuck if they're losing challenges? They're managing to spin things so it helps them. Why would you do what's best for your tribe if it's worse for you?

And Kenny actually does exceptionally well in challenges even though his team as a whole hasn't won. This is what I mean about you just making sweeping comments that are wrong and it reflecting you just disliking certain people and therefore saying things about them.

Marcus was a more social player than anyone in Fang.

Apparently not because he got out played. Being a social player is differnet than simply being sociable.

 

[falconfan]

(as planed, until producers changed up the pattern for drama and unpredictability)

You can't say that. You have no idea what was an wasn't planned. As was pointed out multiple times this was not the first time that the merge didn't occur at ten. Merges and tribal switch ups vary and that's part of the game and people need to be aware of that going in.

Kenny's ass would've been tossed out by Marcus, Corinne, Bob, Randy, Charlie, Susie, Sugar, and even Matty.

That doesn't make any fucking sense. Susie clearly knew she was sixth place. With the use of Sugar's immunity idol and Susie willing to defect Kenny/Crystal/Matty/Sugar could've EASILY gotten Susie to tell them who Kota was voting for, used the idol, voted out someone from Kota, and held the majority with Susie/Kenny/Crystal/Matty/Sugar a FAR more beneficial move for any of those five than just hoping they can win all the immunity for the rest of the game.

Hell, it makes sense to keep more diverse cast members on the show rather than have MCCBR make final 5, who are all white. JMO

This is beyond ridiculous if not blatantly racist. It boggles my mind that you that you'd rather think the entire world is bending to accomodate people just because of their race rather than see that the new Kota tribe had FOUR people in a subservient position (Bob unknowingly was in the 5 spot) and that THREE of those four were intelligent enough to see they were in poor positions and act to change it... which is CLEARLY what happened.

Not to mention history does not support you... Survivor has had all white final 5 in: Borneo, Australia, Africa, Amazon, Vanuatu, and Palau

It's like all the shit Grodner does with Big Brother to create more drama.

This is nothing like Grodner manipulation. Grodner bases challenges/twists on things that specifically play to one houseguest.

Production had no control over what numbers they pulled out of the bag. Production couldn't possibly have anticipated people throwing an immunity idol into the fucking ocean. The situation didn't benefit any one person in particular.... Kenny and Crystal found themselves in the minority... that's a BAD situation they turned good.

 

[falconfan]

1) Jacquie's eviction was more of a group decision than a K&C one.

If you think that's tru you need to re-watch the episode. Matty clearly wanted to keep Jackie and GC had no input at all. It was Crystal and Kenny who made the decision, Kenny in particular choose Kelly just because she was on the outside of her group and easy to use. Remember when Jackie was fighting for her life who did she appeal to... Ken.. who directed her to Crystal. It was CLEAR who made this decision.

2) GC was a pathetic player and he was an obvious choice for next to go.

IMO this was far from the "obvious" choice it was the wrong one. That being said do to editing it was impossible to tell what led them to go with this.

3) Kelly was next in line for being the weakest. You can't give K&C credit for that one either.

Kelli was used and let go by Ken and Crystal. You're correct in that they did nothing to stop her ouster but that was simply because they no longer needed her to maintain a majority.

4) Ace was evicted because of the lies Kenny told... anyone can tell lies. No big "social strategy" there. Plus, Sugar is too gullible and stupid at times.

If Sugar is so "gullible" and "stupid" why couldn't Ace keep a handle on her? You can't say things like that because that means EVERYONE should've capatlized on her and they didn't. Ken managed to get Sugar to turn on her BIGGEST ally from Day 1... ummmm HELLO. If that's not skill than you're blind.

5) Marcus, fucked up his own game by playing both sides and Crystal, a woman he trusted, stabbed him in the back. No big whoop there. Everyone talks behind people's backs and Marcus should've realized that before he told anything to that pathetic bitch. Susie knew people from kota wanted her ass out during last week's vote... no big surprise there.

You can't possibly believe this assesement or you wouldn't maintain that Marcus should be there. Marcus (and company) treated Susie as the expendable one and it caught up to bite them in the ass. But that doesn't mean it didn't take cajoling on Crystal and Kenny's part. Susie had a number of asides where she talked about feeling more secure with the status quo (as is almost always the case) and Crystal showed that she was unwilling to simply take the 6th spot in an alliance by rejecting Marcus's offer. She saw EXACTLY what he was trying to do cut off her right hand for his benefit and she wouldn't have it.

You can't possibly continue to deny that Crystal and Kenny engineered the ousters of Ace and Marcus the two BIGGEST threads in the game as a whole and that si skill. What they're bad players because they don't march aroudn like Ace and Marcus? I think not. When you start to act like that you get your head chopped off.

 

[falconfan]

Nik, I can't believe this...

Please don't turn something like this about race. This is not the way I feel. It's sad to read that you might even think that.

How does Nik pointing out the underlying racial connotations of your statements even suggest that he "might even think that"

THAT is just ridiculous.

 

[Aratron]

Since you asked...

Season 16: Amanda, Cirie, and Parvati

Season 15: Aaron, Courtney, and Todd

Season 14: Didn't watch it

Season 13: Brad, JP, Ozzy, and Becky

Season 12: Don't remember anyone

Season 11: Stephenie and Bobby John

Season 10: Jeff

Season 9: Ami and Eliza

Season 8: Alicia, Colby, Amber, Jerri, Rob, and Susan

Season 7: Andrew and Sandra

Season 6: Roger, Jenna, and Daniel

Season 5: No one

Season 4: Kathy, Sean, Rob, and Gina

Season 3: Ethan and Lex (even if he was an asshole)

Season 2: Amber, Colby, Kel, and Alicia

Season 1: Gervase, Kelly, Rudy, Sean, and Susan

Okay, so what did Brad or Jeff for example did in the game?

The things they have pulled off so far have been pretty much handed to them (read my previous posts)! Hell, I would've been more impressed if they went into the merger (6 vs 4) and gotten rid of Marcus that way. Trying to manipulate Susie and Sugar is as easy as watching grass grow.

First you say the situations were handed to them but then you say that they tried (successfully) to manipulate Sugar and Susie? Contradiction much?

 

[falconfan]

Dude, you are so far up Nik2's ass it's unbelievable! My message was towards him, not YOU!

I don't give a fuck who your message was directed to. You incorrectly accused my friend of being racist. Of course I'm going to respond to that.

Also, ever thought that you may have miss understood my statement? I said I didn't want to argue over this, yet you still want to start shit by writing comments like this.

No I didn't think that I misunderstood my statement... if they did then that's good. If your intention was in fact not to accuse Nik of having racist thoughts why then are you so upset with me for saying that he is not?

 

[joesman]

You mention us by name all the time. And I'm not referring to quoting. And I mean that's fine mention me. But um...don't put things like this in later.



We've explained this several times and given you examples and your replies are never pointing out something wrong with our examples they're always broad statements...basically you make thesis but you don't support them and then when someone mentions a counter point rather than addressing them you just restate your thesis which doesn't address the actual issue just restates your position.

I'm not saying you have to like or care about them but to sit here and say they're not good players or they're not good strategist is just wrong. You can say you don't value strategy and that's fine (I for one don't view it that way... it is after al a strategy game. At the end of the day you can win every immunity challenge there is but even that can't give you the win, Colby and Ozzy, learned this the hard way. It can get you to the finish line but at the end of the day this game is won and lost on your ability to communicate, socialize, and persuade.) . But these two are CLEARLY good players. Based on this week alone they came into a tribe in a minority position and managed to A) eliminate the strongest threat to winning the game overall B) Seriously dent the apposing alliance C) Position themselves at the new HEAD of the tribe...precisely where they were at their last tribe and that's not a coincidence.

Why do I have to analyze your examples. By disagreeing with you is telling you logically that I don't agree with your examples.

With that decree I now tell you and the other owner of this thread that I am done with it.

 

[LiquidSky]

I would love to see Corrine get the boot!

 

[falconfan]

Falconfan I think you misread him babe. I don't think Bidude was calling me racist. I think he was upset/disappointed that I accused him of making racist remarks.

And to clarify: I don't think Bidude is racist. But I do think he should be careful about framing statements that place a non-white group as "the other." Which is what I think he did when he accused the producers of planting this twist to foster "diversity." That's insulting dude. And blatantly incorrect since there are twists like this -- and really how many times must we repeat this? -- EVERY FUCKING SEASON.

I went back and reread and I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your statement bidude but I still defend my right to respond to what I thought was a derogatory comment about my friend.

 

[falconfan]

So clearly I'll have to give full commentary AFTER the episode but HOW FUCKING AMAZING WAS THAT IMMUNITY CHALLENGE Loves it.

 

[Aratron]

Another great episode

 

[Lagerman]

Never saw anyone so happen to be voted off.....I think the old jury hut was a rockin'

 

[Spiff]

Charlie will be dreamin' of him and Marcus doing some poundin' in da Ponderosa. But sorry Charlie, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Speaking of the Pondersa, check out these vids of Marcus enjoying the high life after being voted off. Lots of nice shirtless shots.

Marcus - Pondersa 1

Marcus - Pondersa 2

Marcus - Pondersa 3

 

[LiquidSky]

Another great episode

Agreed! Bye bye Charlie!! Now you can go lust after your straight crush.

I hope that asshole Corrine is next!

I like Kenny.

 

[aijalon18]

What is this, the Sarah Palin school of debate?

I know we're mortal enemies but that made me spit out my juice.


I bet Charlie is happy to go so he and Marcus can rock the sheets in sequester. i wouldnt be surprised if they are engaged by the finale and move to Connecticut so it can be legal.

 

[falconfan]

I LOVE that it was Susie and Sugar were the two who were working it in the immunity challenge.

I love that Charlie and Corrine flipped a shit because they'd actually have to think for themselves. It's shocking how bad at strategy they really are... I mean going after Crystal who has sucked at EVERY challenge just because Randy doesn't like her is flat out DUMB. Bye Bye Charlie... he's gonna have his little heart broken when he realizes Marcus never had any intention to fuck him.

And on the other side clearly had a more logical chain of thought isolating the two most powerful and deciding to cut one of them loose. I personally would've went with Corrine just because I would imagine her bitchy attitude would make it far easier for Sugar to boot her but it worked either way so go them.

I'm beginning to love Sugar more and more. I don't know why but I just feel like she's got a good shot at this... far better than I initially thought. But the minute they showed Corrine's cocky comment about being a bitch to Sugar the whole time and then being nice to her for a day I knew that was foreshadowing of Sugar not being with them.

This is really just one lesson to anyone who plays that you can't marginalize people in this game because they'll be far less likely to work with you.