Swallowers and wannabe swallowers...Rejoice

[jockboy01]

I have been out there and involved in H.I.V. cases and there is no prof that you can get it through oral.

I agree this comes up every couple of months. But I disagree with your comment here. You DEFINITELY can get it from oral and there ARE well documented studies out there that prove it. However, the odds are VERY low. Just because you didn't get it from oral does not mean that it isn't possible. It very much is possible and if you look in the medical literature you will find the studies that prove it.

 

[bluedragon4]

I agree this comes up every couple of months. But I disagree with your comment here. You DEFINITELY can get it from oral and there ARE well documented studies out there that prove it. However, the odds are VERY low. Just because you didn't get it from oral does not mean that it isn't possible. It very much is possible and if you look in the medical literature you will find the studies that prove it.

anything is possible. I could get hit by a falling tree in the street. Will I? Probably not. But it could happen.

 

[luminum]

But there's a difference between prevention from something low and telling someone something is impossible.

Besides, it's better that people know that a glaring gash in your mouth isn't the minimum requirement to catching HIV through oral activity. Oral sores, cuts in the mouth, especially with how people can be prone to act with certain cum fetishes like snowballing where cum is stored in the mouth for prolonged periods of time...

I'd rather people be aware of possibility and probability than blissfully ignorant. Someone catches it and learns later that what they thought was 'impossible' was entirely possible and preventable.

 

[bluedragon4]

I did write wear a rubber if you are scared. Someone should do a pole on how many guys on here use condoms for oral sex. I know what the pole will show but don't really care enough to start a pole.

 

[luminum]

Even not wearing a condom is okay, but it's important to recognize that there are normal things that people can do that can increase their risk, like making cuts in their gums from brushing or flossing prior to or right after a sexual encounter. Gums are a mucus membrane.

 

[Danugh]

Listen everyone who is going to answer this question for this young man. It's not fair to tell him "No you can't get it from swallowing". Studies have shown that its far more infrequent to transmit through oral sex. However again there are the issues with cuts and sores anywhere in the mouth or gums that most people would not even be aware that they have, if bodily fluid from an infected person comes into contact with that opening, then there is a much higher chance of becoming infected by HIV. Even if its 99% likely that you "will not" become infected by HIV through oral sex, that 99% still means that on average 1 out of every 100 will still be infected.

IF THERE IS STILL A 1% CHANCE THAT YOU CAN GET HIV THIS WAY, AND A 99% CHANCE THAT YOU CANNOT, IT IS NOT CORRECT TO ANWSER "NO YOU CANNOT GET HIV THROUGH ORAL SEX"!

Please don't narrow your scope to HIV either, nearly every other STD can easily be transmitted through oral sex.

His question wasn't "Can i get HIV from oral sex?"

It was "Can i get it from swallowing" there is a difference. Oral sex can happen without swallowing. He wants to know if he swallows can he get it. As in can the sperm be absorbed into my body if i swallow. Its pretty much general knowledge that if you have cuts or bleeding gums then you could contract HIV that way. But if you have no cuts or bleeding gums and just swallow the sperm then no worries. So the answer to that is indeed NO.



No because the stomach fluids kill the virus.

 

[fag lick]

not only is it good news for cum eaters, but blood drinkers as well!

 

[RicanDAB]

Yay! Lets promote unprotected sex even more! How responsible.

My first thought exactly - yet once again, am I surprised by the OP?

If you are going to swallow, or not use a condom, make sure you and your partner are tested.

Well I think its okay so long as youre both tested and STD clear! ^^

These are the only times it's acceptable - after both of you have taken steps to be safe for each other. To wantonly start swallowing everyone you meet after reading about stomach acid killing HIV is just plain irresponsible.

And I am stopping here because I just remembered about the "no-flame" rule!

 

[Danugh]

Yea you better stop. This is not the place.

not only is it good news for cum eaters, but blood drinkers as well!

Comic relief, i luv it


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Look, this post was inpart to put at ease any jubber who accidentally swallows some sperm. Alot of guys freak out over swallowing precum, so this thread can help relieve some worry.

The ideal situation is swallowing when you know for sure that your partner is clean, but thats not always the case. Sometimes you meet a hot guy and a few hours later you are giving him head. Its those random hookups that makes this thread relevant.

You know, a few years ago i was somewhere and i watched this young man suck and swallow about 6 random guys ejaculate. I used to wonder how is it that he could do such a thing. He doesnt know these men, some of them even look sick, so how can he swallow all this sperm, like no big deal.

And then i met the doctor a few weeks ago and its then i realized that the young man already know this little fact and thats why he swallowed all that strange sperm because he knew that the sperm infected or not had no chance once ingested. I wonder where that young man is now, all these years later?

 

[luminum]

That's true, but that wasn't a foolproof thing he did anyway. He reduced his risk, which was smart, but in general, he wasn't being smart at all. He was exposing himself to potentially infected semen into his mouth where it could infect him, even if he swallowed the majority of the semen.

As well, he was only protecting himself from HIV, not any of the other STI's out there.

So what he did wasn't good rationale to do what he was doing. You don't rationalize driving into on coming traffic at high speed because you put on your seatbelt and have airbags.

But I do know why you posted it, and it is an important bit of information to spread, so long as we keep it in context.

 

[oz_doc]

His question wasn't "Can i get HIV from oral sex?"

It was "Can i get it from swallowing" there is a difference. Oral sex can happen without swallowing. He wants to know if he swallows can he get it. As in can the sperm be absorbed into my body if i swallow. Its pretty much general knowledge that if you have cuts or bleeding gums then you could contract HIV that way. But if you have no cuts or bleeding gums and just swallow the sperm then no worries. So the answer to that is indeed NO.



No because the stomach fluids kill the virus.

There is no way to swallow something without it being in your mouth first and without a doubt you can get AIDS and other STD's from semen in the mouth. AIDS virus has the potential to cross mucus membranes and the tears that are often the route of infection are most often micro abrasions that are created all the time as we eat, the gus dont have to be bleeding. It is semantics to argue about whether or not is infective once swallowed as the act of having it in your mouth has already created a risk.

 

[luminum]

It is not semantics. It isn't semantics because the risk involved with both is vastly different. The risk of infection based on a full amount of semen in the mouth is less than the risk of infection if the majority of the semen has been disposed of. The risk is still there in the latter case because trace amounts of semen are still in the saliva and mouth, but compared to the larger quantity of semen that was there before spitting or swallowing, the risk is less.

The information about risk of infection by swallowing or spitting is there to aid individuals in risk reduction in their sexual lives. In the event that an individual has passed the point where a condom could be put on, passed the point where ejaculation could be avoided, then they have three options: swallow, spit, or leave it.

If they are at that point, they can get rid of the majority of the potentially infected fluid by swallowing or spitting (since both remove the fluid and make the fluid removed a non-infective issue) and leaving significantly less. The other choice is to leave it in one's mouth where the larger quantity of semen has a higher chance of infecting the individual through microdermabrasions.

"Risk" is not equivalent. Semen in the rectum does not equal semen in the mouth does not equal a lesser volume of semen in the mouth.

 

[oz_doc]

To swallow an amount of semen it has to have been in your mouth at some point, the risk is there. Detailed quantification of risk is fairly irrelevant at the individual patient level, when you tell somebody they are at risk for HIV it is almost insignificant exactly what that risk is they will not be at ease until they are certain by testing that they are clean, this minute difference in risk is mainly relavent at the population epidemiology level in terms of health policy direction and prevention campaigns. So i think for the individual patient concerned it is semantics, they are at risk.

 

[oz_doc]

I also think if you want to make the claim that they are vastly different you suld provide some good hard data of that claim, I beleive the evidence is that there is a small difference in risk but its your claim so please verify it.

 

[luminum]

Sorry, 'vastly' was an error on my part. I only say that they are different because the volume of the average ejaculate is vastly different compared to to volume of ejaculate that would remain in the mouth after immediate swallowing/spitting. Comparatively, given an equal distribution of the virus in the fluid, there would be fewer trace amounts of HIV in the mouth as a whole that would be able to infect compared to the trace amounts if the patient retains the semen. That is simple intuition, though not necessarily a 'fact'.

And I'm not saying that the individual should NOT get tested. If it were me, I would still get tested because I had indeed exposed myself to a possible risk of infection. However, under the HIV?AIDS Resource Center's training, one of our risk reduction possibilities is the removal of semen from the mouth, and the statistics we were given were that spitting and swallowing carried equivalent less risk than retaining semen in the mouth.

Telling someone this isn't intended to prevent someone from getting tested, merely to let them know how they can reduce risk in the event that a situation has progressed that far. And lower risk is lower risk, and it's never zero risk. By all means the individual should go get tested, but any tester will also inform the individual based on that scenario that in the scale of risk, if they swallowed or spit, they would be at lower risk of transmission than had they done some other activity that resulted in extended oral exposure to the semen. This is to let them know that their risk is "low" and "lower" than if they had let it remain in their mouth.

I don't believe you can write that off as 'semantics'. If a person is concerned, they'll be concerned no matter what you say. Does that mean that we shouldn't tell people that unprotected oral sex carries less risk than unprotected anal sex? Is that 'semantics' too then?

 

[oz_doc]

whilst i see no issue with discussing the risk involved with different activities with certain patients, the simple fact is some people who spit or swallow immediately will end up serconverting and some people who have unprotected anal sex will not. I think it is sometimes more sensible at the individual patient level to simply discuss at risk activities rather than trying to quantify it because they are just statistics and statistics only really have meaning at the population level, one patient with massively high risk practices will not be sick and the one who one on occasion has a low risk slip up eg a condom break with immediate withdrawal may become positive. They are important for determining the most effective health promotion campaigns and trying to target testing programs to the most at risk men. But emphasising the exact risk and "safety" of certain at risk behaviors can provide false fear and false hope.

 

[luminum]

That's a good point. It's true that individual risk depends on the specific person. Still, if a person asks you about risk, then you should give them concepts of scale of risk because generally "this is what they should expect". It is risky to have unprotected oral sex and this is where the probability of this infection falls for most people given the following circumstances.

That's basically how we quantify disease control to others. We tell parents to have their kids vaccinated, even on the individual level because statistically mumps, measles, and rubella will be easily caught and cause complications.

But regardless, I see your point. Thanks.

 

[SexyLiciousBoy]

I really hope you guys are right about this...I've only swallowed once...by accident! and even though it was once, i was really paranoid after that

 

[luminum]

Go get tested. Statistically, swallowing will not increase your risk above what you already exposed yourself to. Even so, catching HIV orally has been researched as relatively low in terms of probability. However, it can and does happen. So if you're concerned, go see a clinician and schedule yourself to get tested. You'll only sleep better once you know.

See your doctor or clinician about any other STI's as well.

 

[Shepherd 2]

I will not swallow, and I am not a want to be either.
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