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Re: System That Chums The Water [SPLIT]
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System That Chums The Water – SPLIT II
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Re: System That Chums The Water [SPLIT]
Aside from Frank's desire to change his username, why do exactly members bother changing profiles if they're going to tell others about their last one? I thought the point of using a new profile was to avoid being associated with the last.
Aside from Frank's desire to change his username, why do exactly members bother changing profiles if they're going to tell others about their last one? I thought the point of using a new profile was to avoid being associated with the last.
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Re: System That Chums The Water [SPLIT]
New partners, but the steps are the same.
The only surprise is occasionally somebody who seems so sure on their feet trips over them.
Lex
New partners, but the steps are the same.
The only surprise is occasionally somebody who seems so sure on their feet trips over them.Lex
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Actually, people should be more concerned about the trip wires and who is setting them – and taking notes.
New partners, but the steps are the same.
Lex
Actually, people should be more concerned about the trip wires and who is setting them – and taking notes.
G-Lexington
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Re: System That Chums The Water [SPLIT]
If you spend your time on the dancefloor staring at the sidelines trying to catch someone setting tripwires...I can guarantee you're going to trip. And not on a tripwire.
Watch your feet.
Lex
If you spend your time on the dancefloor staring at the sidelines trying to catch someone setting tripwires...I can guarantee you're going to trip. And not on a tripwire.
Watch your feet.
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Indeed anyone that's been here of any length of time should have learnt how to side step around trolls and other gits.
Indeed anyone that's been here of any length of time should have learnt how to side step around trolls and other gits.
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Re: System That Chums The Water [SPLIT]
I count 5 members who would probably be willing to state publicly that there is a problem here with subtle baiting and that maybe the activity is not accidental or coincidental, but possibly even amounts to harassment in some cases.
In terms of presentation, I think you make the best case in this thread. I endorse some of your statements, but not others. Hypotheticals can illustrate whatever points might otherwise be part of a call out.
I understand your position, but point out that posts in a public forum include an audience larger than the member to whom you are composing remarks.
How many different types are there?
I count 5 members who would probably be willing to state publicly that there is a problem here with subtle baiting and that maybe the activity is not accidental or coincidental, but possibly even amounts to harassment in some cases.
I can't really post examples of what I mean when I say baiting without causing more drama with direct call outs. The struggle.
In terms of presentation, I think you make the best case in this thread. I endorse some of your statements, but not others. Hypotheticals can illustrate whatever points might otherwise be part of a call out.
I understand your position, but point out that posts in a public forum include an audience larger than the member to whom you are composing remarks.
How many different types are there?
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Doesn't the larger audience benefit from the minor transparency I advocate?
Doesn't the larger audience benefit from the minor transparency I advocate?
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There is a huge problem with baiting caused by four members in particular. One was semi-recently banned....three remain..all in this thread.
Who wants to publicly call them out though? They have been called out soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times by soooooooooooooooooo many different people...it is a waste of time. I have them all on ignore but pretty much everyone quotes them constantly so it is as if I don't.
There is a huge problem with baiting caused by four members in particular. One was semi-recently banned....three remain..all in this thread.
Who wants to publicly call them out though? They have been called out soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times by soooooooooooooooooo many different people...it is a waste of time. I have them all on ignore but pretty much everyone quotes them constantly so it is as if I don't.
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I probably group things differently than a lot of people because, well, not neurotypical in the extreme end. I group by behavior instead of intention/perceived intention which means that people who aren't on forums just to troll may also be labelled as trolling on occasion because humanity has itchy fingers, irritation and a often nasty poke-it-with-a-stick mentality. Good people occasionally do bad things, ect ect.
In my experience/notice, most trolls (as opposed to people who snark at what commen sense consideres willful ignorance which is also considered baiting/trolling because - willfully inflammatory) aren't sophisticated in the least. They don't need to be, mostly because (I think) it's relatively easy to piss people off and a lot of people don't like to put in more effort than they have to.
So, hm, instead of labeling individual behaviors (like the list of 13 trolls on buzzfeed, some of which |I disagree with because mislabeling intention as action. Large actions, not individual ones that make up a set. The action is the problem but they labelled it as the intent that's the problem, blah blah blah. Concern trolling, for instance. Definitely an issue but it only seems to come with two internet-personality types, the 'why can't we all be friends and brush actual problems under the rug/sit the fuck down and sing kumbaya or I'll cry, I really will!' and the 'pretending to be concerned when they're not.' The later often uses that tactic while talking to one or both sides of a disagreeing party and nudging them into yet more confrontation.
Somewhere between fifteen and twenty.
I probably group things differently than a lot of people because, well, not neurotypical in the extreme end. I group by behavior instead of intention/perceived intention which means that people who aren't on forums just to troll may also be labelled as trolling on occasion because humanity has itchy fingers, irritation and a often nasty poke-it-with-a-stick mentality. Good people occasionally do bad things, ect ect.
In my experience/notice, most trolls (as opposed to people who snark at what commen sense consideres willful ignorance which is also considered baiting/trolling because - willfully inflammatory) aren't sophisticated in the least. They don't need to be, mostly because (I think) it's relatively easy to piss people off and a lot of people don't like to put in more effort than they have to.
So, hm, instead of labeling individual behaviors (like the list of 13 trolls on buzzfeed, some of which |I disagree with because mislabeling intention as action. Large actions, not individual ones that make up a set. The action is the problem but they labelled it as the intent that's the problem, blah blah blah. Concern trolling, for instance. Definitely an issue but it only seems to come with two internet-personality types, the 'why can't we all be friends and brush actual problems under the rug/sit the fuck down and sing kumbaya or I'll cry, I really will!' and the 'pretending to be concerned when they're not.' The later often uses that tactic while talking to one or both sides of a disagreeing party and nudging them into yet more confrontation.
Somewhere between fifteen and twenty.
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Too many posters are accused of trolling over practically anything that other members dislike.
Too many posters are accused of trolling over practically anything that other members dislike.
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If you're going to quote me, quote the whole sentence. You just misrepresented what I typed. People who aren't on a forum just to troll also do trolling behavior.
I group by behavior instead of intention/perceived intention which means that people who aren't on forums just to troll may also be labelled as trolling on occasion because humanity has itchy fingers, irritation and a often nasty poke-it-with-a-stick mentality. Good people occasionally do bad things, ect ect.
People love to consider trolling behavior as done only by trolls to get their rocks off when that isn't even remotely the case.
If you're going to quote me, quote the whole sentence. You just misrepresented what I typed. People who aren't on a forum just to troll also do trolling behavior.
I group by behavior instead of intention/perceived intention which means that people who aren't on forums just to troll may also be labelled as trolling on occasion because humanity has itchy fingers, irritation and a often nasty poke-it-with-a-stick mentality. Good people occasionally do bad things, ect ect.
People love to consider trolling behavior as done only by trolls to get their rocks off when that isn't even remotely the case.
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I absolutely agree with you and you make a lot of sense. I also believe too many posters accuse other posters of trolling them when having a disagreement as a way of attack.
I notice some members don't like it if one can't agree with their views and immediately cry troll. I think the word is used too often.
I absolutely agree with you and you make a lot of sense. I also believe too many posters accuse other posters of trolling them when having a disagreement as a way of attack.
I notice some members don't like it if one can't agree with their views and immediately cry troll. I think the word is used too often.
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Would you mind elaborating on which you endorse and which you don't? Even if it's just you speaking personally and not as an admin. I think my point about infractions was probably the weakest and least substantiated because, as zoltanspawn mentioned, I don't have access to enough information. Jason is one of my absolute dearest friends though, and I was speaking partly out of frustration. I was just thinking of cgymike in particular. He posted for months, or perhaps even years, and 90% of it was blatant insults directed at other members. It wasn't even the slightly more subtle taunting/poking I've been talking about, he would just insult people out of the blue on a daily basis. It wasn't until he literally spammed the front page of Hot Topics with accusatory threads directed at the mods that he was banned. It should have been done months before that, especially if infractions serve a purpose, and especially if Jason received one for what he posted the other day.
I also believe there are other active members who should receive infractions regularly for the things they post, but that goes back to my point about the CoC. I just don't think it covers what it needs to cover for the mods to be justified in banning toxic users, at least not without a very, very loose definition of harassment/abuse. I just think that when a user base has declined the way JUB's has, and when the same complaints are being made over and over by different people who all cite the same reasons for leaving, something needs to be addressed.
In regard to examples though, I think making more obvious references to the actions of other members, even through hypotheticals, would come a little too close to the kind of baiting I'm talking about. The user base of JUB is small enough that if I were to put forth a relevant example of the baiting I'm talking about, most people would know both who and what I was referring to, even if I switched around the details. It would only fuel the burning fire by putting people on the defensive. I would be happy to PM examples to you if you're interested personally, but I don't think any good can come from posting it publicly. This thread is already messy enough.
Would you mind elaborating on which you endorse and which you don't? Even if it's just you speaking personally and not as an admin. I think my point about infractions was probably the weakest and least substantiated because, as zoltanspawn mentioned, I don't have access to enough information. Jason is one of my absolute dearest friends though, and I was speaking partly out of frustration. I was just thinking of cgymike in particular. He posted for months, or perhaps even years, and 90% of it was blatant insults directed at other members. It wasn't even the slightly more subtle taunting/poking I've been talking about, he would just insult people out of the blue on a daily basis. It wasn't until he literally spammed the front page of Hot Topics with accusatory threads directed at the mods that he was banned. It should have been done months before that, especially if infractions serve a purpose, and especially if Jason received one for what he posted the other day.
I also believe there are other active members who should receive infractions regularly for the things they post, but that goes back to my point about the CoC. I just don't think it covers what it needs to cover for the mods to be justified in banning toxic users, at least not without a very, very loose definition of harassment/abuse. I just think that when a user base has declined the way JUB's has, and when the same complaints are being made over and over by different people who all cite the same reasons for leaving, something needs to be addressed.
In regard to examples though, I think making more obvious references to the actions of other members, even through hypotheticals, would come a little too close to the kind of baiting I'm talking about. The user base of JUB is small enough that if I were to put forth a relevant example of the baiting I'm talking about, most people would know both who and what I was referring to, even if I switched around the details. It would only fuel the burning fire by putting people on the defensive. I would be happy to PM examples to you if you're interested personally, but I don't think any good can come from posting it publicly. This thread is already messy enough.
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Is JUB being poisoned to death?
There are two kinds of poisons: fast-acting ones like cyanide that kill immediately on ingestion, and then slow-acting, systemic poisons that have to be ingested in small doses over a long period of time before they finally succeed in killing the victim. An autopsy often reveals the ongoing poisoning, but only after it is too late and the victim is gone.
Do we really want JUB to succumb to slow poisoning? In some such cases the victim dies of self-poisoning, willingly ingesting the very thing which is killing him and enjoying doing it.
Are our moderators the cure here or are we ourselves the self-healers?
Is JUB being poisoned to death?
There are two kinds of poisons: fast-acting ones like cyanide that kill immediately on ingestion, and then slow-acting, systemic poisons that have to be ingested in small doses over a long period of time before they finally succeed in killing the victim. An autopsy often reveals the ongoing poisoning, but only after it is too late and the victim is gone.
Do we really want JUB to succumb to slow poisoning? In some such cases the victim dies of self-poisoning, willingly ingesting the very thing which is killing him and enjoying doing it.
Are our moderators the cure here or are we ourselves the self-healers?
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Is it just me or is there a certain set of members who only come here to complain? It seems to be the same posters and I never see them participate or joining in posting about a subject or topic that they enjoy in any of the threads.
I get that certain posters aren't their bff's but this is getting ridiculous.Anyone would think there's a serial killer on the loose and it's beginning to sound like a Jub witch-hunt. To think there's a third world out there with families starving to death ( probably won't be getting much of a Christmas) yet some of you come here to complain about getting a boo boo online?
Seems over dramatic to me.
Is it just me or is there a certain set of members who only come here to complain? It seems to be the same posters and I never see them participate or joining in posting about a subject or topic that they enjoy in any of the threads.
I get that certain posters aren't their bff's but this is getting ridiculous.Anyone would think there's a serial killer on the loose and it's beginning to sound like a Jub witch-hunt. To think there's a third world out there with families starving to death ( probably won't be getting much of a Christmas) yet some of you come here to complain about getting a boo boo online?
Seems over dramatic to me.
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First, the dude in your avatar is hot.
Second, yes it seems that some come to complain, contradict, derail a thread or just irritate others.
Third, it's not always the same dudes, some are pretty consistent in being cantankerous, but we all have our moments.
I think that at times we might all come here and behave a little differently than our norm.
If a guy is in a bitchy mood it is kind of obvious, perhaps it would be good not to poke him. If we get poked (in a way that we don't like) perhaps it's time to take the high road and just let him be a poker for the day.
I have addressed people on here who just seemed to come at me consistently, a pet peeve of mine is when someone acts as though they are correcting one for something that they said in a post only to rephrase it and say the same damned thing.
I come here for some fun, but not at the expense of others, also because there is a certain license here to be and say what you are, hence my screen name.
Is it just me or is there a certain set of members who only come here to complain? It seems to be the same posters and I never see them participate or joining in posting about a subject or topic that they enjoy in any of the threads.
I get that certain posters aren't their bff's but this is getting ridiculous.Anyone would think there's a serial killer on the loose and it's beginning to sound like a Jub witch-hunt. To think there's a third world out there with families starving to death ( probably won't be getting much of a Christmas) yet some of you come here to complain about getting a boo boo online?
Seems over dramatic to me.
First, the dude in your avatar is hot.
Second, yes it seems that some come to complain, contradict, derail a thread or just irritate others.
Third, it's not always the same dudes, some are pretty consistent in being cantankerous, but we all have our moments.
I think that at times we might all come here and behave a little differently than our norm.
If a guy is in a bitchy mood it is kind of obvious, perhaps it would be good not to poke him. If we get poked (in a way that we don't like) perhaps it's time to take the high road and just let him be a poker for the day.
I have addressed people on here who just seemed to come at me consistently, a pet peeve of mine is when someone acts as though they are correcting one for something that they said in a post only to rephrase it and say the same damned thing.
I come here for some fun, but not at the expense of others, also because there is a certain license here to be and say what you are, hence my screen name.