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On Topic Discussion Taralen's 2018 Random Musings About Life...

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Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

^Yes, yes you do.

It is getting to the point where the mods should perhaps have a think about intervention here. He does himself no favours with his contradictions, and we are doing ourselves no favours by trying to offer support and advice, when he is forever moving the goalposts.
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

So all these threads are just about you finding a boyfriend and arguing with every member on this board.

Do I have this right?

They're about being the center of attention and getting a lot of people to talk to him everyday. He says everyone here is an asshole that won't help him. Everyone gives him advice, makes suggestions, tries to make him see things from a different perspective.. but instead of thanking them for their time and saying he'll think about it, he dismisses every reply with a "Fuck every word you just typed" because the puzzle needs to remain unsolved so he has an excuse to create the same repetitive thread again and again
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

Well, mundane things don't count.

They do. Far more than you can possibly imagine.

Every gay man likes to watch movies. (regardless of the genre.)

I said just a few posts ago that I'm down to one movie a year, and that I have a tough time getting through that one. I may never go back to a movie theater again.

I also don't feel you have to have anything in common for love. If you do have things in common (whether they are mundane or trivial or whatever. Such as the both of you have the same eye hue or stuff like that etc.) then that's good and okay, but it's whatever.

I look at George Lucas and his wife, that black woman he's with.

She has nothing in common with that man.

I can guarantee you that she does. It may not be obvious to you, but they bonded over something.

Here's an example. Film critic Roger Ebert met his (black) wife Chaz at a restaurant. He'd found her attractive enough, but they really bonded over their love of "the classics" - classical music and opera and Shakespeare. These are the things that they discussed on their first dates, and the things they did - they saw "Tosca" as their first date. It facilitated conversations, allowed them to open up to each other about things, and helped transform that initial attraction into actual love. And no - I don't think that specific common ground was necessary. But they needed something that they shared to help things along. In this specific case, it was opera.

He could be a fucking homophobic racist for all I care. I'm dead serious. I don't give a fuck. As long as he's not straight, he's not married, and he loves me and he's not hurting me or other people, and he's the man god sent for me. That's all I care about.

Dear Lord, there's a lot to unpack here.

First off, a racist homophobe will not love you. Or, more accurately, a racist homophobe will need a shit-ton of reasons to get beyond your race and gender before he'll submit to loving you. He'l have to think 'despite him being black and being male, I still want to be with him'. And those reasons will almost certianly have to come from interacting with you...and, yes, finding common ground with you. Enough for him to rethink his racist and homophobic views.

And I'll just say that God ain't sending a man for you. And if you really believe He's going to, then you really don't have anything to worry about, do you? Just bide your time until God's guy for you shows up.

I find it more cute if he didn't, because that might be a way for me to deal with compromise.

You are going to deal with compromise. With anybody you date. That's because we ARE different people. There's a saying - "there are those who sleep with the window closed, and those who sleep with the window open...and each other is who they marry". Note that there's no addendum there - "...unless you both like Steely Dan." Even if you both do, there WILL be other places where you don't agree, and where compromise is necessary.

To me I'm just a sponge, and I'll try to accept what he does, and hopefully he accepts what I do, for the sake of our love.

Precisely so.

And to those who have suggested I'm wasting my time by continuing to respond....if we two were in a room together, alone, then perhaps. But we're not.

Lex
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

They do. Far more than you can possibly imagine.

They do not.

Yeah many people have the same shade of eyes in common, or have the same job or whatever. That's kinda mundane though.

The only thing that matters is sex appeal. (Which varies depending on the person.), and that's Physical/body attraction, mental/mind/personality attraction, and emotional/spiritual attraction.

To me those are the only things that matter. None of that has to do with things in common.

You can't compare spiritually and emotions. As you said it yourself, we are all different.

I said just a few posts ago that I'm down to one movie a year, and that I have a tough time getting through that one. I may never go back to a movie theater again.

That was not my point at all. The point is, you still like to watch movies right? Whether thats at the cinema or at home, whatever. That's my point I'm trying to get.

I can guarantee you that she does. It may not be obvious to you, but they bonded over something.

Yeah she liked his manhood, and he liked her womanly charm. That's what they had in common.

Other than that, if you studied the both of them on their own, George Lucas is a very introverted man and he's very stern and strict with his opinions. (As a movie director you would have to be.)

However his wife, she's very SJW and liberal and vocal and outgoing and she talks about racism and social stigmas a lot. Of course, because he's into journalism and communications.

Here's an example. Film critic Roger Ebert met his (black) wife Chaz at a restaurant. He'd found her attractive enough, but they really bonded over their love of "the classics" - classical music and opera and Shakespeare. These are the things that they discussed on their first dates, and the things they did - they saw "Tosca" as their first date. It facilitated conversations, allowed them to open up to each other about things, and helped transform that initial attraction into actual love. And no - I don't think that specific common ground was necessary. But they needed something that they shared to help things along. In this specific case, it was opera.

I didn't mention Roger Ebert and that his wife was black, (yes I knew his wife was black as well. You thought I didn't know that did you?)

I don't like Shakespeare. I think he's an asshole, and he was very sexist. Is the man a creative genius and artist? Yes he is, but I just don't care for him.

If I had someone close to me that wanted to go see a Shakespeare play, then I would just put my big boy pants on and go for the sake of that persons love.

On the flip side, I would like for things that my companion wouldn't like, to also be comfortable with as well.

So clearly Roger Ebert and that woman were meant to be together by mind, body, attraction and spirit.

So say if she wasn't into Shakespeare, would Roger Ebert move onto another woman just based on that? That could have been the woman he was meant to be with (it was), but I don't know.

Makes you think doesn't it? That's why I believe having things in common isn't necessarily always good to follow.

First off, a racist homophobe will not love you. Or, more accurately, a racist homophobe will need a shit-ton of reasons to get beyond your race and gender before he'll submit to loving you. He'l have to think 'despite him being black and being male, I still want to be with him'. And those reasons will almost certianly have to come from interacting with you...and, yes, finding common ground with you. Enough for him to rethink his racist and homophobic views.

I do agree that technically yes you're right. A man who's racist and/or homophobic (being that I'm black and gay), would not get into a relationship with me. But I'm saying is that I wouldn't care based on first impressions if that was the type of vibe I was getting from him.

If he were to get into a relationship with me, the no, technically, he would not be a racist or a homophobe at all. He might sadly still hold those beliefs and might make exceptions for me, possibly (not based on things on common) see something about me that changes his mind, (like the way I speak or the fact I'm gay etc.) things not commonly seen in someone black.

All I'm saying is that I don't look for things in common for a guy. I look for spiritual connection.

I don't look for face value trivial things, as just because that person also likes that, doesn't mean they are spiritually attracted to you for love.

And I'll just say that God ain't sending a man for you. And if you really believe He's going to, then you really don't have anything to worry about, do you? Just bide your time until God's guy for you shows up.

It's mean to be used as a spiritual metaphor. No god isn't going to fall a guy out of the sky for me, but I do believe love and romance is very spiritual. That's all I meant.

You are going to deal with compromise. With anybody you date. That's because we ARE different people. There's a saying - "there are those who sleep with the window closed, and those who sleep with the window open...and each other is who they marry". Note that there's no addendum there - "...unless you both like Steely Dan." Even if you both do, there WILL be other places where you don't agree, and where compromise is necessary.

So that's one thing we mutually agree on. Alright.

Precisely so.

And to those who have suggested I'm wasting my time by continuing to respond....if we two were in a room together, alone, then perhaps. But we're not.

Lex

No you're not wasting your time. I think you should think for yourself. If you still have faith in me and want to discuss things and be civil, that's fine. If you want to let other people influence you and dictate how you feel, which is the exact approach you're telling me to do, lol, then that's fine as well I suppose.
 
Re: Why is it hard for gay men to network?

We're about the same age and what has worked for me is doing the things I like and connecting with others who do what I do. I'm a gym rat, so I've got that going and you might consider it. I meet up with guys and girls who like to ride and climb too. I'm bi, so I doubt that a long term relationship is sketchy for me. My advice is to do what you love to do with your eyes wide open. At the very least you'll be active and creative.

I noticed as of late, I like more rotund and robust and stocky bear, bigger roughneck guys (if you want me to stop beating around the bush, I guess fat guys). So the gym thing is already no.

If a guy like that likes going to the gym for health reasons then I guess it would be dismissive, not because he wants to look like those male celebrities they feature on the cover of Men's Health and Fitness magazine.

I don't really go to the gym, but I like to keep healthy though.

I noticed most gay guys go to the gym for superficial reasons though and for eye candy. That's lovely, that's just not me.

Yes a guy who's like that is hot as fuck, but that's not my preferred type of guy and the guy I would consider my dream type.

I like more natural freeformed men like that.

Again if he goes to gym not to look lean and muscled up like that, and he's not a lean six packed guy with abs (again these guys are gods and look nice, I'm not into that) then that's dismissive I guess.

But that's an exception not the rule.

Now you are probably asking, "well go to gay events that cater to the type of guys I like."

I suppose I could, but I don't want to single a guy out like that.

Like I wouldn't want to go to a gay event catered to black and/or feminine twink, guys etc.

I don't want to be labeled like that.

But I do have a type of guy I like, so.

I'm really into hip hop dancing, and breakdancing, and doing gymnastics, and aerobic dancing.

I love R&B and urban and Hip Hop and disco music.

I like going to Amoeba Music here in LA, and collecting records. Whether that's modern soul and R&B music. I love Jamiroquai a lot. Or it's vintage soul records, and like Jazz fusion and jazz rock from the 70s and 80s or electro disco music.

I like the video game, Dance Dance Revolution a lot. I'm like very good at it. I been playing it since I was 9, and I'm so good at it. If you been to Dave and Busters you've seen it. It's a really popular arcade game.

But that community is so racist and homophobic. So there goes that sadly. I been banned from all those forums related to that hobby.

But I don't have or really want any other hobbies.

I told you I'm into more bear and unconventional bigger guys like that, into hobbies and opinions I don't like.

Why, because I'm fucking ET the Alien that's why. Especially that part where he's going through their kitchen and eating all their shit. That's exactly how I feel.
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

They do not.

Yeah many people have the same shade of eyes in common, or have the same job or whatever. That's kinda mundane though.

The only thing that matters is sex appeal. (Which varies depending on the person.), and that's Physical/body attraction, mental/mind/personality attraction, and emotional/spiritual attraction.

To me those are the only things that matter. None of that has to do with things in common.

Perhaps so, human. But I'll just briefly point out that I'm not the one with no friends and no lovers.

That was not my point at all. The point is, you still like to watch movies right? Whether thats at the cinema or at home, whatever. That's my point I'm trying to get.

I don't. At all. If I do see another movie again, it will probably be at home, but even there, it won't be by choice. I don't like watching movies at all.

I don't like Shakespeare. I think he's an asshole, and he was very sexist. Is the man a creative genius and artist? Yes he is, but I just don't care for him.

I just have to assume you're being willfully obscure at this point. In which case, I'll point out that "Hey Nineteen" is actually superior to "Do It Again" in the Steely Dan canon. Because apparently that's where we are now lol.

Lex
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

Perhaps so, human. But I'll just briefly point out that I'm not the one with no friends and no lovers.

Your point is? I'm also saying that if I wasn't black and gay, I'd wouldn't be as scared or nervous and unmotivated.

I'm scared that I'm not like the rest of the guys being black and gay.

Crushing on straight guys, not able to get what I want.

If I were a woman, I'd be okay, as lots of guys like sassy black women. Ugh.

Being gay I feel locked and trapped.

I don't. At all. If I do see another movie again, it will probably be at home, but even there, it won't be by choice. I don't like watching movies at all.

I love to watch movies. As far as going to the movies, it depends on what it is. A lot of movies nowadays I don't really like.

To me I would enjoy movies more if I watched them with someone I loved.

I just have to assume you're being willfully obscure at this point. In which case, I'll point out that "Hey Nineteen" is actually superior to "Do It Again" in the Steely Dan canon. Because apparently that's where we are now lol.

Lex

Actually "Black Cow", is better than both of them. It's the best Steely Dan song ever.
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

You think I'm crazy, but I'm just growing old.

Lex
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

You think I'm crazy, but I'm just growing old.

Lex

What's fucked up is that Hey Nineteen (which was actually a song my twin brother god rest his soul liked, it's not my fav Steely Dan song but it's okay) actually proves my point. He's attracted to a girl much younger than him, they are completely opposite, doesn't understand the joke's he's saying and shit.

So I dn't understand what you're doing Smh.

I'm really just bored right now. I hate being black and gay so fucking much.

I wish I had a boyfriend and another life. Fuck.
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

What's fucked up is that Hey Nineteen (which was actually a song my twin brother god rest his soul liked, it's not my fav Steely Dan song but it's okay) actually proves my point. He's attracted to a girl much younger than him, they are completely opposite, doesn't understand the joke's he's saying and shit.

And so he tries to entice her with alcohol and pot. It's a pretty depressing song, actually.

Lex
 
Re: Why is it hard for gay men to network?

I noticed as of late, I like more rotund and robust and stocky bear, bigger roughneck guys (if you want me to stop beating around the bush, I guess fat guys). So the gym thing is already no.

If a guy like that likes going to the gym for health reasons then I guess it would be dismissive, not because he wants to look like those male celebrities they feature on the cover of Men's Health and Fitness magazine.

I don't really go to the gym, but I like to keep healthy though.

I noticed most gay guys go to the gym for superficial reasons though and for eye candy. That's lovely, that's just not me.

Yes a guy who's like that is hot as fuck, but that's not my preferred type of guy and the guy I would consider my dream type.

I like more natural freeformed men like that.

Again if he goes to gym not to look lean and muscled up like that, and he's not a lean six packed guy with abs (again these guys are gods and look nice, I'm not into that) then that's dismissive I guess.

But that's an exception not the rule.

Now you are probably asking, "well go to gay events that cater to the type of guys I like."

I suppose I could, but I don't want to single a guy out like that.

Like I wouldn't want to go to a gay event catered to black and/or feminine twink, guys etc.

I don't want to be labeled like that.

But I do have a type of guy I like, so.

I'm really into hip hop dancing, and breakdancing, and doing gymnastics, and aerobic dancing.

I love R&B and urban and Hip Hop and disco music.

I like going to Amoeba Music here in LA, and collecting records. Whether that's modern soul and R&B music. I love Jamiroquai a lot. Or it's vintage soul records, and like Jazz fusion and jazz rock from the 70s and 80s or electro disco music.

I like the video game, Dance Dance Revolution a lot. I'm like very good at it. I been playing it since I was 9, and I'm so good at it. If you been to Dave and Busters you've seen it. It's a really popular arcade game.

But that community is so racist and homophobic. So there goes that sadly. I been banned from all those forums related to that hobby.

But I don't have or really want any other hobbies.

I told you I'm into more bear and unconventional bigger guys like that, into hobbies and opinions I don't like.

Why, because I'm fucking ET the Alien that's why. Especially that part where he's going through their kitchen and eating all their shit. That's exactly how I feel.

Don´t think this!
I can understand you because, in the past, I felt like I was an ET too but, with time, I saw I couldn´t change how the people are, however I could change how I reacted to them and it was exactly what I did. Do things you like, listen to the musical genres you like because you are free. I don´t have much knowledge about games, but I presume there should be forums of gay gamers because, nowadays, the gay forums are expanding. So, why don´t you try to check some gay friendly spaces or some gay gamers forums?
 
Re: Why is it hard for gay men to network?

OP, I can come up with 20 different examples off the top of my head about my past that disproves your premise that it's hard for gay men to network. But I'm not going to list them because it will squarely take me into the realm of bragging. Just know that your assumptions are verifiably false.

Don't blame your failures on your sexuality. Most of the corporate world couldn't care less who you love. They care about what you can bring to the table and what you can do to make them money.

Please stop fantasizing about your victimhood. It does nothing but further hinder your potential.
 
Re: Why is it hard for gay men to network?

Don´t think this!
I can understand you because, in the past, I felt like I was an ET too but, with time, I saw I couldn´t change how the people are, however I could change how I reacted to them and it was exactly what I did. Do things you like, listen to the musical genres you like because you are free. I don´t have much knowledge about games, but I presume there should be forums of gay gamers because, nowadays, the gay forums are expanding. So, why don´t you try to check some gay friendly spaces or some gay gamers forums?

Why does it have to be a gay exclusive space though?

Why do I have to only be with those type of guys.

Why when I go hang with guys who don't share my hobby, it's bullshit and racism and homophobia and fem shaming and more bullshit?

That's fucked up.

I also don't like the gay culture on reddit, they banned me so fuck them.
 
Re: Why is it hard for gay men to network?

OP, I can come up with 20 different examples off the top of my head about my past that disproves your premise that it's hard for gay men to network. But I'm not going to list them because it will squarely take me into the realm of bragging. Just know that your assumptions are verifiably false.

Don't blame your failures on your sexuality. Most of the corporate world couldn't care less who you love. They care about what you can bring to the table and what you can do to make them money.

Please stop fantasizing about your victimhood. It does nothing but further hinder your potential.

That's bullshit. Companies are very homophobic and racist as fuck. You have to look, act, and be a certain way. White collar man. You can't be a non assertive man, ergo feminine and/or homosexual and gay men in particular. They get so much shame.
 
Re: Why is the gay community not accepting of alternative lifestyles/personalities?

To all the people that say there isn't a community, there is. So I don't understand.

They just don't' welcome people. So much racism, people forming groups, and you have to look and act a certain way.
 
Re: Do you believe race/culture plays a factor in your gay lifestyle?

So you all fucking proved there is racism in the gay community or race division? Thanks. That's another separate topic now.
 
Re: Why is it hard for gay men to network?

That's bullshit. Companies are very homophobic and racist as fuck. You have to look, act, and be a certain way. White collar man. You can't be a non assertive man, ergo feminine and/or homosexual and gay men in particular. They get so much shame.

My first job I worked with quite a few flamers and they weren't treated any differently, and this was in the hella religious uber-homophobic south. *shrugs*
 
Re: Why is it hard for gay men to network?

My first job I worked with quite a few flamers and they weren't treated any differently, and this was in the hella religious uber-homophobic south. *shrugs*

What job was it?

If anything, I've had bad relationships with other queer men. Because I was black and different, they wanted me gone, and tried everything they could do get rid of me.

This was a at resort I was working at and got fired from.
 
Re: Why are straight people not interested in your personal life being gay?

1.But I thought gay was supposed to be okay, and there is nothing wrong with that?
2.I can't relate to straight men, but I don't find it strange when straight men talk about their personal lives. Why is it not okay when I do? It's not fair.
3.Not if they say something nice or civil.
 
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