Tariffs in the second Trump Administration [SPLIT]

[Kulindahr]

Again, anyone who says they are for drilling in the Artic doesn't give a shit about the environment.

Actually with today's drilling technology the area from which oil is presently being taken could be doubled without any new oil heads.
Of course lateral drilling is more expensive, so even if it happened and a pipeline was built to connect deliveries to the U.S. it wouldn't help prices much.

 

[Kulindahr]

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I know people in Idaho who would stop buying things from China if they saw this!

 

[Kulindahr]

Canada Begins Making Key Border Changes After Trudeau's Meeting with Trump (The Western Journal; December 2, 2024)

Last time Canada made border changes in response to the U.S. they made it harder for U.S. folks to enter Canada.

 

[rareboy]

they Last time Canada made border changes in response to the U.S. they made it harder for U.S. folks to enter Canada.

I have no doubt we would again.

Meanwhile, Trump shows that his traiffs have nothing to do with drugs or immigrants...he and his trade buddies are looking at balance of trade figures and are pissed off that the US isn't in a net positive position.

As noted above, it will also be part of a massive shakedown scheme so that any of his 'friends' get an exemption from tariffs while their competition gets hammered.

And the US consumer pays through the nose for even more products.

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump issued a fresh threat of a trade war to the European Union on Friday, urging it to purchase more American oil and gas or face a barrage of tariffs.

Still not getting why the US wants to be at war with the entire industrialized world and allies at the moment, but I do believe the intent is to literally crash the economy into depression with the intention of buying everything they already don't own at firesale prices. President Musk more or less called for deep recession over a year ago and this is one of the ways to do it.

It also is a prett y good way of encouraging all your trading partners to look elswhere.

Trump ramps up EU trade war threat unless bloc buys American oil and gas

If the EU doesn’t cough up, “it is TARIFFS all the way!!!” U.S. president-elect roars.

www.politico.eu

In a month, he will also be back to the refrain that unless all the NATO countries only buy US made equipment and munitions, the US will leave NATO.

 

[rareboy]

 

[rareboy]

When LA needs rebuilding, imagine how expensive canadian lumber will be.

 

[Kulindahr]

25% tariff on all Canadian imports will devastate gas prices. Shown here are all the cross border imports of Canadian oil. Keep in mind that a lot of US oil cannot be directly used/refined in the U.S.— we actually export U.S. “light” crude and instead import “heavy” crude to use in U.S.

And 'Drill Baby, Drill' doesn't help you.

And most of the oil in Canuckistan is being taken out by multi-national companies.

That reminds me: back about twenty years there was some heavy lobbying to get a pipeline down through Oregon, Washington, and California to get oil off railroads. I wonder what happened to that idea.

 

[Kulindahr]

The US can afford a trade war with Canada, I don't think Canada can.

Rubbish -- a number of states on or near the Canadian border rely heavily on Canadian trade economically. A trade war would crash the economies of at least a half dozen states.

 

[Kulindahr]

I will gladly pay 25 cents a gallon more for gas while we wait for more Alaskan oil. Gas is only 2.19 a gallon now.

I don't know where gas is that low, but most of the country doesn't have that. The west coast is paying between $3.19 and $3.89 per gallon. And while you may think that 25 cents more per gallon is fine for you, for many people that will be a budget breaker because it also increases the price of food, anything plastic, and a lot more.
You seem to be both out of touch and arrogant, with no awareness of how your "I'll be just fine" privileged attitude translates to hate for most of the population.

 

[rareboy]

^ As I also pointed out...his math was really faulty. 25% of $2.19 isn't 25 cents. And that is at the border. By the time the oil gets to and through the refinery, that 25% premium will fix the base price for all the other mark-ups. As you point out, the preiums will turn up in food (manufacturing, processing and transportation), anything processed from crude oil like plastics and just about everything else requiring petroleum or by-products. 25% is ruinous. But I get it. The idea is to cut off the import of Canadian oil until we agree to have Trump's jack boot on our necks. and to adjust our price of oil to offset the trade deficit being run at the moment because of oil and gas prices to bring it up to US domestic drilling prices. This will trigger calls for opening up drilling in all the areas that have been protected from destruction by drilling in order to make up the deficit in domestic oil production. It also forces the Canadian oil and gas industry into the position of holding a fire sale of our oil and gas companies to Trump's cronies in the American oil and gas business. There is a plan behind all of this.

At the end of the day, it is a game of chicken. Give us control over your resources or else.

 

[Kulindahr]

apparently, like so many other Trump male voters, you have no idea of how a 25% tariff would impact the costs all the way downstream into your gas tank.

Just a couple of examples: Last time the price of gas surged like that, the cost of a bag of cement here went up over 30%. That hit construction especially hard, including the cost for building affordable housing (essentially making it impossible) along with budgets for street, road, and highway departments. More directly pounding most people, food prices jumped about as much for a simple reason: that extra price per gallon adds to the price of food three times since fuel is needed for producing food, transporting to processing or distribution centers, and transport to grocery stores. Oh -- and the jump in gas prices raised the cost of Amazon Prime due to the free shipping that's included.

BtW. 25 Cents on a gallon of gas is not 25%

Yeah -- here, it's 90 cents a gallon. Just that will jack the price of a gallon of milk by about a dollar!

 

[TX-Beau]

I don't know where gas is that low, but most of the country doesn't have that. The west coast is paying between $3.19 and $3.89 per gallon. And while you may think that 25 cents more per gallon is fine for you, for many people that will be a budget breaker because it also increases the price of food, anything plastic, and a lot more.
You seem to be both out of touch and arrogant, with no awareness of how your "I'll be just fine" privileged attitude translates to hate for most of the population.

That price is pretty standard in Texas. If it goes over three dollars a gallon, people whine and bitch. People who say things like that are willfully ignoring that if you have to pay twenty-five cents more at the pump, everyone who transports anything whatsoever all across the country. and everyone who is rushing your online order to you via same day delivery, and every truck of produce coming up from the valley, and every emergency service, municipal service, tradesman, or builder is also paying more, which means you are paying for that as well.

It's a stupid thing to say. Unrealistic and shows a lack of knowledge of how the system actually works. The Russians right now are finding out that having gas in one's country doesn't mean that the oil companies are going to stop selling it overseas where they can charge more and suddenly sell it all to you at lower prices out of philanthropy.

 

[TX-Beau]

^ As I also pointed out...his math was really faulty. 25% of $2.19 isn't 25 cents. And that is at the border. By the time the oil gets to and through the refinery, that 25% premium will fix the base price for all the other mark-ups. As you point out, the preiums will turn up in food (manufacturing, processing and transportation), anything processed from crude oil like plastics and just about everything else requiring petroleum or by-products. 25% is ruinous. But I get it. The idea is to cut off the import of Canadian oil until we agree to have Trump's jack boot on our necks. and to adjust our price of oil to offset the trade deficit being run at the moment because of oil and gas prices to bring it up to US domestic drilling prices. This will trigger calls for opening up drilling in all the areas that have been protected from destruction by drilling in order to make up the deficit in domestic oil production. It also forces the Canadian oil and gas industry into the position of holding a fire sale of our oil and gas companies to Trump's cronies in the American oil and gas business. There is a plan behind all of this.

At the end of the day, it is a game of chicken. Give us control over your resources or else.

The right wingers really don't understand what a free market means even though they are so gung-ho about them. Nor do they understand how the price of oil is set.

 

[Kulindahr]

The right wingers really don't understand what a free market means

Much of that is due to the Koch brothers and their hijacking of the term "libertarian" to mean "worship of wealth" instead of valuing individual rights.

 

[rareboy]

And of course...here we go again.

Trump targetting Germany because of the number of 'German' cars on the roads.

He understands nothing.

Germany is main EU target of Trump tariffs, warns economy minister

Germany is “a thorn in Donald Trump’s side,” said Robert Habeck.

www.politico.eu

 

[Kulindahr]

I often think that Isaac Asimov had the right idea with his story in which in order to run for president a potential candidate must pass a number of exams on history, reasoning, and politics just for starters. We should require at least a master's degree in something requiring cognitive thinking, with at least three terms of economics included and three terms of history.

[It's a bit like a Greek tragedy: composing the tests becomes such a great effort that it is turned over to a master computer with the instruction to compose tests covering all that a president should know -- and within a quarter century things reach a point where no one can pass the tests.]

 

[rareboy]

So this list is circulating in Canada, similar to the last time the US abrogated the Trade pact with us.
Some stores are already beginning to post it as well.
We already switched many of our grocery choices by 2018 to Canadian made or European (EU) and Asian products produced by countries we have Trade Agreements with.

I am not sure whether most of the big brands care about a consumer base of only some 40,126,723 people. I guess we'll see, won't we?

facebook / Dave Galloway / January 23, 2025

Here's a list of US products and Canadian equivalents to keep handy for the next trip to the grocery store.

Instead of Kraft (cheese, dairy) → Try Saputo, Black Diamond, Armstrong
Instead of Philadelphia (cream cheese) → Try Lactantia, Tre Stelle, Agropur
Instead of Yoplait (yogurt) → Try Astro, Olympic, Liberté
Instead of Land O'Lakes (butter) → Try Lactantia, Natrel, Gay Lea

Instead of Coca-Cola, Pepsi → Try Canada Dry, PC Cola, Great Value (Walmart)
Instead of Tropicana (juice) → Try Oasis, SunRype, Arthur’s
Instead of Gatorade, Powerade → Try BioSteel (Canadian sports drink)
Instead of Starbucks bottled drinks → Try Tim Hortons, Second Cup ready-to-drink beverages

Instead of Lay's (chips) → Try Old Dutch, Covered Bridge, Hardbite
Instead of Doritos, Cheetos → Try Neal Brothers, Hardbite tortilla chips
Instead of Kellogg's (cereal) → Try Nature’s Path, Barbara’s, Quaker (some products Canadian-made)
Instead of Nabisco (cookies/crackers) → Try Dare, Leclerc, Voortman
Instead of Campbell's (soups) → Try Habitant (by Loblaws), President’s Choice soups
Instead of Heinz (ketchup, sauces) → Try French's (Canadian-made ketchup), President’s Choice

Instead of Oscar Mayer (deli meats) → Try Maple Leaf, Schneiders, Pillers
Instead of Hormel (bacon, ham) → Try Olymel, Grimm’s
Instead of Tyson Foods (chicken products) → Try Lilydale, Maple Lodge Farms
Instead of Beyond Meat (plant-based) → Try Yves Veggie Cuisine, Gardein

Instead of Hellmann’s (mayonnaise) → Try President's Choice, Compliments
Instead of French's (mustard) → Try Kozlik’s, President's Choice
Instead of Hidden Valley (salad dressing) → Try Renee’s, Kraft (Canadian-made varieties)
Instead of Tabasco (hot sauce) → Try Dawson's, Piri Piri by PC, No Name hot sauce

Instead of Pillsbury (flour, baking mixes) → Try Robin Hood, Five Roses, Compliments
Instead of Betty Crocker (cake mixes) → Try President’s Choice, No Name
Instead of Hershey’s (chocolate chips) → Try Camino, Laura Secord, PC chocolate chips
Instead of Domino (sugar) → Try Redpath (Canadian brand)

Instead of Green Giant (vegetables) → Try Arctic Gardens, Compliments, No Name
Instead of Stouffer’s (frozen meals) → Try President’s Choice, M&M Food Market
Instead of Eggo (waffles) → Try Nature’s Path, President’s Choice
Instead of DiGiorno (frozen pizza) → Try Dr. Oetker (some made in Canada), President’s Choice

Instead of Starbucks → Try Tim Hortons, Second Cup, Van Houtte
Instead of Folgers → Try Nabob, Kicking Horse Coffee
Instead of Lipton (tea) → Try Red Rose, Tetley (some products Canadian-made)
Instead of Nestlé (coffee creamers) → Try International Delight (Canadian-made), Beatrice creamers

Instead of Colgate (toothpaste) → Try Green Beaver, Tom’s of Maine (some Canadian-made)
Instead of Dove (soap, shampoo) → Try Live Clean, The Green Beaver Company
Instead of Head & Shoulders → Try Attitude, The Unscented Company
Instead of Gillette (razors, shaving cream) → Try Schick (some Canadian-made), Personna

 

[Dargelos]

Toms of Maine is the best toothpaste I have ever used.
With a lot of these substitutions you will discover products that are better in quality as well as better socialy.

 

[rareboy]

I don't think this is going to do what Trump thinks it is going to do. Some of these seem incredibly vague and unenforceable?????

Like how do they identify supporters and allies?

These are really weird.....this is the lashing out response of an angry 14 year old who has no idea how anything works.

 

[rareboy]

So with the price of $25 billion worth of products from Colombia increased by 25% and soon 50%....how are the MAGAts going to react to the steep hikes in the price of their coffee?

Unless TrumpCo. keeps coffee 'off-duty'.

But what do you want to bet that Muricans will crash the stores to stockpile tomorrow?