The 46. President of the United States...

[CoolBlue71]

In fact a Kaine/Tester ticket would be just about impossible for the Republicans to beat, since it would neuter the NRA.

They’re easily beatable.

The NRA has nothing to do with this.

The Democratic [Establishment], looking to shove Kamala Harris down people’s throats, would be pleased with Tim Kaine and/or Jon Tester, because they are corporate Democrats, as is Harris, but they are inspiring no one outside the party bubble.

 

[CoolBlue71]

...I think Trump crashes and Mike Pence will make it BUT if not...

the next President will be a Democrat.
…

What do you think?

Election 2020 will result in a Republican hold of the presidency.

 

[gsdx]

You need at least one more major party in the running, and you have to level the playing fields. Elections should not be bought. That is not a democracy.

 

[MystikWizard]

^ That won't motivate the Millennials, though. We need some young people in the leadership, not people who will be dying off or retiring within the decade.

Millenials will absolutely support older candidates, as we saw to a large degree with their support of Sanders. The key is whether you are establishment or anti-establishment.

 

[frankfrank]

Millenials will absolutely support older candidates, as we saw to a large degree with their support of Sanders. The key is whether you are establishment or anti-establishment.

Very true, but he was a rare exception, addressing a lot of Millennial issues head-on. Generally the "old guard" of the Democratic Party is more like the Republican Party of half a century ago, than what we generally think that Democrats are "supposed to" stand for.

I remind everybody that Sanders is NOT officially in the Democratic Party, as such.

 

[CoolBlue71]

Very true, but he was a rare exception, addressing a lot of Millennial issues head-on. Generally the "old guard" of the Democratic Party is more like the Republican Party of half a century ago, than what we generally think that Democrats are "supposed to" stand for.

I remind everybody that Sanders is NOT officially in the Democratic Party, as such.

Just call the “Democratic Party” [Establishment] the Republican Party, Part II.

Establishment Democrats do not want a Democratic Party like Franklin Roosevelt. They want a Democratic Party like Ronald Reagan.

 

[MystikWizard]

Just call the “Democratic Party” [Establishment] the Republican Party, Part II.

Establishment Democrats do not want a Democratic Party like Franklin Roosevelt. They want a Democratic Party like Ronald Reagan.

Precisely. And what is ironic is that these Blue Dog Democrats think they are and call themselves "progressives".

And the ironic thing is that just like how Republican voters are critiqued for "God, Guns, and Gays", these voters are very much the same ... focusing largely on social issues like Gay Marriage, but largely ignoring issues like wealth disparity, the economy, foreign policy, etc.

 

[Kulindahr]

They’re easily beatable.

The NRA has nothing to do with this.

The Democratic [Establishment], looking to shove Kamala Harris down people’s throats, would be pleased with Tim Kaine and/or Jon Tester, because they are corporate Democrats, as is Harris, but they are inspiring no one outside the party bubble.

The NRA has everything to do with national elections, because the Democrats have gone crazy against the Second Amendment -- so some eight million Americans who say they follow the NRA's recommendation for president always vote Republican. Put forward a candidate who essentially quoted the NRA for his stance (No new laws, enforce what exists) and a couple million or more of those won't vote Republican.

Statistically there's a good argument that the NRA won the election for Trump. If Clinton hadn't been anti-gun, she'd be sitting in the White House today.

 

[Kulindahr]

Generally the "old guard" of the Democratic Party is more like the Republican Party of half a century ago, than what we generally think that Democrats are "supposed to" stand for.

Excellent observation. If the Democrats stopped supporting policies that would have gotten me dead and a bunch of teens molested, they'd be the Republican Party I once belonged to.

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Just call the “Democratic Party” [Establishment] the Republican Party, Part II.

Establishment Democrats do not want a Democratic Party like Franklin Roosevelt. They want a Democratic Party like Ronald Reagan.

When what they should be after is a Democratic Party like Hubert Humphrey, at least.

 

[Kulindahr]

Precisely. And what is ironic is that these Blue Dog Democrats think they are and call themselves "progressives".

And the ironic thing is that just like how Republican voters are critiqued for "God, Guns, and Gays", these voters are very much the same ... focusing largely on social issues like Gay Marriage, but largely ignoring issues like wealth disparity, the economy, foreign policy, etc.

The bizarre thing about ignoring wealth disparity is that supporting policies which benefit the rich equates to supporting immorality: the rich are less generous, less respectful of the law, less respectful of fellow citizens, less respectful of the value of human life....

Anyone who believes we have a Judeo-Christian heritage should never, ever support anyone who stands for policies that favor the wealthy.

 

[Julian89]

Millenials will absolutely support older candidates, as we saw to a large degree with their support of Sanders. The key is whether you are establishment or anti-establishment.

Very true, but he was a rare exception, addressing a lot of Millennial issues head-on. Generally the "old guard" of the Democratic Party is more like the Republican Party of half a century ago, than what we generally think that Democrats are "supposed to" stand for.

I remind everybody that Sanders is NOT officially in the Democratic Party, as such.

If Senator Sanders' health could not afford the rigor of the Presidential campaign in 2020, Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard can fill those shoes in. She is progressive in all three areas: economic issues, social issues and foreign policy. She is popular among millenials and with the proper national exposure can give the Deplorable-in-Chief a fight of his life.

 

[kallipolis]

I remind everybody that Sanders is NOT officially in the Democratic Party, as such.

Noteworthy..for it is arguable that Sanders was the thin wedge that permitted Trump's victory.

Beware of would be saviours....or Greeks, bearing gifts.

 

[Julian89]

Noteworthy..for it is arguable that Sanders was the thin wedge that permitted Trump's victory.

Beware of would be saviours....or Greeks, bearing gifts.

Yeah because Hillary Clinton should have been coronated instead of running for a primary against anyone.

 

[Kulindahr]

Noteworthy..for it is arguable that Sanders was the thin wedge that permitted Trump's victory.

Beware of would be saviours....or Greeks, bearing gifts.

Um, how? We've already been shown that Sanders supporters turned out more reliably to vote for Hillary than did the rest of the D party, which means that Sanders actually saved her from a worse trouncing.

 

[ChickenGuy]

BUMP.

I have to reply to this thread all of a sudden....

A thought just struck me about an hour ago....

And it is so wild and crazy....

But the more I think of it, the more it seems insanely plausible....

Ready?

*drum roll*

Colin Kaepernick.

Remember folks that I (one of the few nationalists/populists on here and one of the few who would have voted Republican) was the first person to predict this!

My reasoning:

(very anecdotal but I feel this 'instinctively')

1. There will be a profound, massive racial backlash against Trump, and who better to go against him than the person who led a social movement against racial injustice?

2. He is another non-political outsider and a 'celebrity' figure in an era where America has rejected voting for politicians.

3. Obama once arrogantly and publicly derided Trump, and he never forgot it. Trump has arrogantly and publicly derided Kaepernick and his movement. Same result?

4. Socialist/populist filmmaker Michael Moore was one of the few to accurately warn and predict about Donald Trump because he 'got it'. Might I perhaps have the same 'opposite instinct?'

5. I saw a report today about racing driver Lewis Hamilton comparing him almost to Martin Luther King. (which I find outrageous and preposterous) BUT if that is what a British black man believes, so why not African-Americans even more so?

6. The BBC produced a glowing, almost heroic, full-length article about the man and the story. It speaks of something 'more' than just viewing him as an ordinary man.

7. America is now in an age of populist extremist authoritarians elected with TOTAL shock and surprise. Kaepernick, I have heard, once tweeted his admiration for Fidel Castro. So might not a 'fascist' president be followed by a 'communist' one?

As for getting elected:

The turnout of African-Americans, Latinos, and young voters (18-30) for him would be MASSIVE. Easily enough to take back Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, Florida, etc.

So that, on 20th October 2017, is my prediction!

Yes, seriously!

 

[ballcaphair]

ChickenGuy, You have made me laugh, you have given me food to digest and you have expanded my horizons. Yes seriously. (Get down on our knee to pray.) I am completely sincere.

 

[Telstra]

...I think Trump crashes and Mike Pence will make it BUT if not...

the next President will be a Democrat.
On my list:

Senator Elizabeth Warren (the new Sanders)
Senator Kamala Harris
Senator Tim Kaine
Gouverneur Andrew Cuomo

What do you think?

That Tim Kaine portray in SNL ?
He is un electable.

 

[Benvolio]

Trump will be so thoroughly discredited that he will not be renominated by the Republicans and he probably will not run. It is probable that the Federal Reserve will raise interest rates and precipitate a market crash and recession. So it is likely to be a democrat year, but the majority on both sides will want a moderate, not an extremist.

 

[gsdx]

Trump will be so thoroughly discredited that he will not be renominated by the Republicans and he probably will not run.

You still don't think it's a DIY project on his part? Nobody has helped him discredit himself. He's done it all by himself, but he's blamed everybody except himself.

 

[Benvolio]

You still don't think it's a DIY project on his part? Nobody has helped him discredit himself. He's done it all by himself, but he's blamed everybody except himself.

Partly himself, but all a Republics are democized by the dems. Remember how GWBush was savaged? Look at the Trump this thread.