The Black Panther leader that A.G. Holder let off the hook

[laikaNYC]

The witness in this video wasn't intimidated?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn2DjQUgVF8[/ame]

 

[White Eagle]

You're such a riot! This reporter interviews an Army Vet who is not afraid of the Black Panther, he goes inside and they tell him they (I take it they mean the Black Panther) have been there about an hour. He goes back outside and the Panther gives him some lip and he calls the police who remove the Panther. So, the Black Panther was there about an hour. I hardly see this as intimidation. He intimidates one person that we see.
And I can't believe you want real facts as you hardly ever give a cite on what you post!
Get A Grip!!

 

[laikaNYC]

You're such a riot! This reporter interviews an Army Vet who is not afraid of the Black Panther, he goes inside and they tell him they (I take it they mean the Black Panther) have been there about an hour. He goes back outside and the Panther gives him some lip and he calls the police who remove the Panther. So, the Black Panther was there about an hour. I hardly see this as intimidation. He intimidates one person that we see.
And I can't believe you want real facts as you hardly ever give a cite on what you post!
Get A Grip!!

The man was tapping an assault weapon in his hand. If that's not intimidating I don't know what is.

 

[BostonPirate]

The man was tapping an assault weapon in his hand. If that's not intimidating I don't know what is.

i will show you what real voter intimidation is and I will provide links, sources and pictures.....

source U.K. newspaper

WHEN Benny Diaz opened the envelope that dropped through his door last week he suspected that it was yet more campaign junk mail in the frenzied elections run-up.

But when he opened it he had a nasty shock. “You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or if you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time,” the letter said. It also cautioned that the Government had a computer system capable of tracking voter names — and that anti-immigrant groups across the country had access to the names.

The letter, sent to 14,000 Latino registered voters across Orange County in California, and since traced back to a Republican congressional candidate, has kicked off a political storm, exposing ugly undercurrents of xenophobia and racism darkening US politics.

next.... huffington

Democrats claimed a Republican "ballot security" program in minority neighborhoods violated the federal Voting Rights Act. The program included using mailed sample ballots returned as undeliverable to compile lists of voters to be challenged at the polls and stationing off-duty police and sheriff's officers near polling places.

The Republican National Committee chose to settle the 1981 suit by entering into the consent decree in November 1982.

next... this is NPR

Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie recalls that four years ago, Republican challengers were brought into his state from Texas and Washington, D.C., to watch the polls. He said some questioning of voters got so contentious that fights broke out and the police were called.

"Verbal challenges we found were both designed to be abusive and discourage other voters in the line who didn't want to go through that kind of verbal abuse," he said. "And also, they were designed to slow the movement of the line to discourage voting."

Now the state has a new law. Only residents can challenge another voter.

and here ....

As Talking Points Memo pointed out, “In 1981, the RNC and the New Jersey Republican Party sent a mass mailing to voters in predominantly African American and Latino neighborhoods, from which a caging list of 45,000 voters were compiled based on returned mail. The RNC attempted to have the listed voters purged before the election. When the request was denied, the RNC announced plans to challenge those voters at the polls instead and used intimidation tactics, including the posting of off-duty law enforcement officials at polls in targeted areas and the placement of posters in heavily African American neighborhoods, warning that violating elections laws is a crime.”

According to the DNC, “Between 2004 and 2006, the Republican National Committee challenged more than 77,000 Americans voters in targeted communities.” These operations occur all over the country. Whether it is a voter ID law in Georgia, a flawed convicted felon purge in Florida, or caging operations in Montana, Michigan, Indiana, Virginia, and Ohio, voter intimidation and caging is an integral part of the Republican election strategy.

get the idea?????


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[rareboy]

Oh but for Laika, those examples aren't intimidation because they was done by white folk.

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[laikaNYC]

Oh but for Laika, those examples aren't intimidation because they was done by white folk.

Honestly, doesn't he have to be making copies of something or bringing coffee into the office?

Were any of those in the process of being prosecuted? Were any of those told to be dropped by the AG?

 

[BostonPirate]

Were any of those in the process of being prosecuted? Were any of those told to be dropped by the AG?

no they were proven and prosecuted.

you have no case here dude, and no matter how much you stomp your feet and insist, you are not going to make it so. Just because fixed news and rush say so does not mean that it is true.

what we have here is another example of what I took the time to provide sources for and links to.....

the republicans trying to scare minorities or little old ladies by vilifying minorities does not make for a case.

 

[laikaNYC]

no they were proven and prosecuted.

you have no case here dude, and no matter how much you stomp your feet and insist, you are not going to make it so. Just because fixed news and rush say so does not mean that it is true.

what we have here is another example of what I took the time to provide sources for and links to.....

the republicans trying to scare minorities or little old ladies by vilifying minorities does not make for a case.

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The DOJ is telling its lawyers not to prosecute cases with black defendants and white victims

I have not been able to find a transcript from Tuesday’s testimony of former Department of Justice Civil Rights Division Voting Section trial attorney J. Christian Adams before the US Commission on Civil Rights. As I understand the recent reporting on this incident, and calls for Mr. Holder’s resignation, that testimony forms a major basis for the opinions being expressed. It does not seem to be posted on the USCCR website.

Have you had an opportunity to read Mr. Adams' testimony and if so, can you please share a link?

 

[laikaNYC]

The transcripts from the testimony are quite lengthy here in PDF form.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2010/07/NBPP-Hearing-Transcript-7-6-10.pdf

 

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The transcripts from the testimony are quite lengthy.

http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2010/07/NBPP-Hearing-Transcript-7-6-10.pdf

Thanks for the link!

 

[White Eagle]

laikaNYC
The Army vet that crossed the Panther blockade stated he was not afraid, cuz he wuz an Army Vet. He was not intimidated. He said so. The time he was there wasn't but a few minutes. Your video said the Panther was only there for an hour. That was not enough time to intimidate anyone, especially your witness as he said he was not afraid.
Cheese and rice, you need to take whatever is in your ears out and listen. YOU HAVE NO STORY HERE!

 

[laikaNYC]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lcCKHQSLSs[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEU95y-d0CM[/ame]

 

[iman]

[Quoted text: Removed by Moderator] This is frightening that anyone would find this to be a non-issue.

[Text: Removed by Moderator] The DOJ action is simply a common sense course of action.
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The man was tapping an assault weapon in his hand. If that's not intimidating I don't know what is.

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[laikaNYC]

[Quoted text: Removed by Moderator] The DOJ action is simply a common sense course of action.

It's not just some racist assumption. Read the testimony given in court under oath by a former DOJ member.

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[BostonPirate]

I have been reading that report...it is the minutes of a commision hearing, o bviously convened on the guys behalf. Mr Holder is never mentioned that I have found so far.

But....

I have read alot of fox news reported.... I am being persecuted for being a conservative

the guy resigned because he wanted the thing to go to trial and it was procedurally decided....

here....

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Let me talk to you, if I could for a moment, my last few minutes, about the mechanics. We have our timeline here, and you all filed your complaint, they failed to respond, and our timeline indicates that a default order was entered. Now, that is not a default judgment. It's an order of default. Correct?

MR. ADAMS: That's right.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: It is important that folks understand this difference, because a default judgment can require some type of proffer or discussion in open court.

then theres office gossip and innuendo....

MR. BLACKWOOD: Certainly within the Department and the line attorneys, there must have been some explanation that was circulating as to why this was happening to Mr. Coates.
MR. ADAMS: Well, I don't -- I can't quantify that. I mean there's always talk in an office so.

and he is confronted specifically on timelines and suspicious circumstances surrounding his resignation.....

MR. ADAMS: Well, he put the phone down and said what the orders were and I seemed to recall it came from Rosenbaum. But I might be wrong. But Coates would be able to answer that question.
MR. BLACKWOOD: Something you just mentioned struck me. You were told that on May 15th, the day that the filings were due?
MR. ADAMS: A couple hours before they were due.
MR. BLACKWOOD: Isn't that slightly unusual to have direction like that on a case of this magnitude to get the decision the same day that the
pleading was due?
MR. ADAMS: I'll differ slightly. The Department frequently has tight deadlines. There is so much litigation going on, litigation I would be doing. And at this time period Rosenbaum was reviewing absolutely everything that Coates was doing, everything.

what we have is one man's assertions that a wrongdoing had occured, and the commision convenes without any conclusions....

at one point they ask him repeatedly about his information... he waffles... I wont answer that... I can't answer that... You would have to ask someone else....

its a 31 page bunch of nothing that does not implicate or mention Eric Holder not even ONCE.

 

[BostonPirate]

MR. BLACKWOOD: In an interview that Malik Zulu Shabazz gave on Fox News several days after the election, he indicated that the reason Black Panther members were at the polling place and armed was because of the presence of skinheads and white supremacists. Did you all look into those allegations?

MR. ADAMS: Well, that's one of the questions about the extent and nature of the Department's investigation I will not answer.

an odd little tidbit of info that seems to be overlooked here....

and another point that is really unusual...

COMMISSIONER HERIOT: Then, you mentioned a second ago -- and this is not the first time I think -- you said we had evidence that this wasn't necessarily just an isolated incident. Could you run me by exactly the evidence you are talking about at this point?
MR. ADAMS: Yes. Let me stress, evidence was -- if I said "evidence" in the record, that is not what I should have said. I said "indications."

Hmmm.....

sounds alot like..."it all depends on what your definition of "is" is.

 

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[White Eagle]

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I wanted to thank you for managing to get a cite from laikaNYC. Know, I am still reading it while trying to do my Saturday routine.
If we had this at the beginning of the thread we wouldn't have wasted so much time.
Thanks again.

 

[White Eagle]

It looks like I'm on the same page as BostonPirate. I'm seeing a man, (Mr. Adams) who is trying to bypass all answers they are asking. A man who knows his job is up and trying to stop it. A man who had all the freedom that Bush's department offered. Now under a new President he knows over.
He wants Mr Coates to come in and answer all the questions. I don't understand why Mr Coates isn't there as he seems to have all the answers.
Mr Adams doesn't seem to need the 5th amendment as all he has to do is say he won't answer.