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The Bush Legacy

chance1 said:
i think you're compensating (over) with BIG here - what's that about ? ;)

Bush kept the country and the citizens of the UNITED STATES safe

difficult for a foreigner to understand I guess
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Except for the thousands of Americans he threw under the bus in Iraq.

And no Chance...the jingoistic Us vs. 'you foreigners' isn't going to work.

It just makes you look small and silly.
 
chance1 said:
i think you're compensating (over) with BIG here - what's that about ? ;)

Bush kept the country and the citizens of the UNITED STATES safe

difficult for a foreigner to understand I guess
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Why are you excusing Bush for 9/11 from occurring on his watch? Especially when there was plenty of advance notice that something big was about to go down?

Did he keep us safe, then?

He doesn't get a free pass for that, Chance.

I think you seem to be trolling in here, honestly.
 
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Speaking of intellectual honesty, I have to point out that this post didn't address ANYTHING I said. It was just random attacks, but no actual answers.

So I ask again - was Benghazi DIFFERENT from the Bush embassy attacks? And if so - how? I don't think it's that difficult a question.

And I guess the only real argument for "he kept us safe" is "they didn't attack again (much)", but that could (and does) just as easily mean that it was a one-time attack.
 
rareboy said:
Except for the thousands of Americans he threw under the bus in Iraq.

And no Chance...the jingoistic Us vs. 'you foreigners' isn't going to work.

It just makes you look small and silly.
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its not "jingo-istic" - you just want it to be

bottom line is as a canadian, 911 is an event that just doesn't have the same significance to you as it does to me

just as I am not a Jew, the holocaust, isn't the same thing

that's not anything other than real - try it sometime instead of your bullshit
 
MystikWizard said:
Why are you excusing Bush for 9/11 from occurring on his watch? Especially when there was plenty of advance notice that something big was about to go down?

Did he keep us safe, then?

He doesn't get a free pass for that, Chance.

I think you seem to be trolling in here, honestly.
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did u read the article Mystik ?

Charles K wrote it

it's about safety measures AFTER 911

I happen to agree with some of it

sorry you think that's trolling
 
Rolyo85 said:
Speaking of intellectual honesty, I have to point out that this post didn't address ANYTHING I said. It was just random attacks, but no actual answers.

So I ask again - was Benghazi DIFFERENT from the Bush embassy attacks? And if so - how? I don't think it's that difficult a question.

And I guess the only real argument for "he kept us safe" is "they didn't attack again (much)", but that could (and does) just as easily mean that it was a one-time attack.
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LOL the "bush embassy attacks"

do u even know where/when they were ?

the "bush embassy attacks"

more proof of how your mind operates

it was "one time attack"?" really ?

are you familiar with terrorists ?
 
What I find funny is that this whole thread came about because some right winger told chance to compare Korea (a war with an actual enemy - hence an actual war) in which the pubs did not try to fuck us over , with the "war" on terrorism (a TACTIC) which you can never win ever ever ever - and using that to take our rights away, and apparently Chance was buying.

Intellectual dishonesty anyone? Table for two?

Chance, of course right wing-nuts are going to polish that knob, they have no choice unless they want to admit what a miserable failure all of the policies concerned turned out to be - let's see, erosion of the constitution, and endless war against an idea, financial collapse - right wing lunatics run wild, did I miss anything? No he didn't "keep us safe" He took us to war against a guy - and let's just bold this;

WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11

- and made us a whole new set of enemies all the while antagonizing everyone else including our allies. He was a lying cheating bastard who I'll actually partially excuse, ONLY because he spent 8 years with Darth Cheney's arm up his ass while Cheney pulled his ventriloquism act from an undisclosed location.

"...BUT BUT BUT TRUMANS and safe and SMU (the faculty tried to force the school to send the library elsewhere) and thousand points of light (wait, wrong one)..."

Please. Sell that snake oil elsewhere. That same set tried to say Nixon didn't break any laws.
 
chance1 said:
LOL the "bush embassy attacks"

do u even know where/when they were ?

the "bush embassy attacks"

more proof of how your mind operates

it was "one time attack"?" really ?

are you familiar with terrorists ?
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I know when/where they were, because someone has bothered to make a chart of it, and it's circulating the internet. Other than criticizing my expression, you could answer the question.

And I am familiar enough with terrorists to know that they didn't START existing on 9/11 but were in existence long before that - centuries actually - and somehow Americans didn't need to surrender freedoms and subject themselves to humiliation in the name of "safety" from them. Of course it wasn't just "one time attack" in the sense that no others would ever happen, but it was also not some opening strike in some planned prolonged campaign, so to claim that Bush is somehow responsible for no further attacks happening is - yes - dishonest. It was a huge operation that probably took years to plan, and while the same people would have eventually planned something else - hadn't OBAMA put an end to them - I find the notion that they had ten other similar operations up their sleeve and only Bush's actions somehow prevented them from putting them in action, to be suspect at best.
 
chance1 said:
its not "jingo-istic" - you just want it to be

bottom line is as a canadian, 911 is an event that just doesn't have the same significance to you as it does to me

just as I am not a Jew, the holocaust, isn't the same thing

that's not anything other than real - try it sometime instead of your bullshit
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Oh step the fuck off with that shit. Being American grants neither you nor I any special tingles you don't INVENT for yourself.

All that is, is you trying to discredit an opinion with moonbeams and fairy dust. I'm really surprised though that you would admit that you don't understand how abhorrent the Holocaust was because you aren't Jewish. Explains a lot actually.

GODWIN'S LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chance loses.
 
MystikWizard said:
Why are you excusing Bush for 9/11 from occurring on his watch? Especially when there was plenty of advance notice that something big was about to go down?

Did he keep us safe, then?

He doesn't get a free pass for that, Chance.

I think you seem to be trolling in here, honestly.
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Of course, you will apply the same standard to Obama's Administration, which was told several times that Tsarnaev and family were dangerous, and who had a radical Islamist website ; a mother on the terrorist list, etc. Far, far more specificity than the warning that "something big" was going down, you claim, somewhere in the USA. And the US had passenger inspections which should have found the box cutters. Who would have dreamed that they could highjack two planes with box cutters?
No, your hypocrisy will not allow you to be reasonable.
 
TX-Beau said:
Oh step the fuck off with that shit. Being American grants neither you nor I any special tingles you don't INVENT for yourself.

All that is, is you trying to discredit an opinion with moonbeams and fairy dust. I'm really surprised though that you would admit that you don't understand how abhorrent the Holocaust was because you aren't Jewish. Explains a lot actually.

GODWIN'S LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chance loses.
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you can tingle or not - i care not a whit

911 doesn't mean dick to rareboy - at least as not as much as me

keeping AMERICA safe - means more to me than he

as for his opinions - he discredits himself - he doesn't need me to do so

and that's not what i said about the holocaust so try again - but you'll get it wrong again so maybe don't try again
 
Rolyo85 said:
I know when/where they were, because someone has bothered to make a chart of it, and it's circulating the internet. Other than criticizing my expression, you could answer the question.

And I am familiar enough with terrorists to know that they didn't START existing on 9/11 but were in existence long before that - centuries actually - and somehow Americans didn't need to surrender freedoms and subject themselves to humiliation in the name of "safety" from them. Of course it wasn't just "one time attack" in the sense that no others would ever happen, but it was also not some opening strike in some planned prolonged campaign, so to claim that Bush is somehow responsible for no further attacks happening is - yes - dishonest. It was a huge operation that probably took years to plan, and while the same people would have eventually planned something else - hadn't OBAMA put an end to them - I find the notion that they had ten other similar operations up their sleeve and only Bush's actions somehow prevented them from putting them in action, to be suspect at best.
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LOL

exposure much ?
 
chance1 said:
you can tingle or not - i care not a whit

911 doesn't mean dick to rareboy - at least as not as much as me

keeping AMERICA safe - means more to me than he

as for his opinions - he discredits himself - he doesn't need me to do so

and that's not what i said about the holocaust so try again - but you'll get it wrong again so maybe don't try again
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Of course it's what you said. You are trying to pretend that as a Canadian he can't possibly understand your special American tingles and therefore his opinion is invalid - and you tried to use Hitler to do it.

Which is all pretty much bullshit.

And really just underscores that you don't' actually have an argument.
 
Benvolio said:
Of course, you will apply the same standard to Obama's Administration, which was told several times that Tsarnaev and family were dangerous, and who had a radical Islamist website ; a mother on the terrorist list, etc. Far, far more specificity than the warning that "something big" was going down, you claim, somewhere in the USA. And the US had passenger inspections which should have found the box cutters. Who would have dreamed that they could highjack two planes with box cutters?
No, your hypocrisy will not allow you to be reasonable.
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Surely, you didn't just compare the Boston bombing with 9/11?
 
TX-Beau said:
Of course it's what you said. You are trying to pretend that as a Canadian he can't possibly understand your special American tingles and therefore his opinion is invalid - and you tried to use Hitler to do it.

Which is all pretty much bullshit.

And really just underscores that you don't' actually have an argument.
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Really ? Does famine in Africa mean the same to u as those who live there

That's rhetorical

Next time u get involved try to get some game ok ?
 
Rolyo85 said:
Are you gonna keep deflecting, or will you give me an answer? You can also say "I can't answer" or "no, they're the same, the rest is partisanship".
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You contradicted yourself in your post

It was ..... Telling

as for GWB he did a few good things - and this is one of them.

He helped keep America safe

america
 
chance1 said:
Really ? Does famine in Africa mean the same to u as those who live there

That's rhetorical

Next time u get involved try to get some game ok ?
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Don't try and play semantic games. You wanted to discredit Rareboy. Period.

So you invented your special American tingles.

It only remains to speculate whether you actually thought anyone would be swindled by it, or you were just trying to deceive yourself.
 
chance1 said:
i think you're compensating (over) with BIG here - what's that about ? ;)

Bush kept the country and the citizens of the UNITED STATES safe

difficult for a foreigner to understand I guess
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Repeating it over and over won't make it true.

Bush did not keep anyone safe. Just ask the families of 3000 Americans in New York and Washington DC and the 4,500 Americans who died in Iraq.
 
President Obama has keep Americans safe. There have been no organized terrorist attacks while he's been in office.

Comparing a couple of kids from Boston and their homemade bomb to the organized terrorist attacks on 9/11 is a steaming pile of bullshit. 3 deaths in Boston to 3,000 deaths in New York and Washington. There's no comparison.

The spin coming from the right wing extremist trolls is repugnant. You're shitting on the memories of those that died on 9/11.

The right wing radicals are glad the Boston bombings happened. Now they think they can point fingers at President Obama and blame him.

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TX-Beau said:
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