The Christina Aguilera Mega-thread

[innocentbychoice]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Just because someone can, doesn't mean they should and she doesn't get that. There are plenty of blunders in the music industry of exactly that (Madonna "rapping", American Idiot "opera", movie actors singing). The woman certainly has talent and can sing but she needs to pick one or two genres and stick with them. It has resulted in her having an identity crisis which is basically a death sentance for anyone in the entertainment industry. A break from music would just kill her off completely. If she wants to salvage her career, she needs to get a CD out sometime next year showcasing her strengths or she will be forgotten.

She doesn't need to stick to one genre. Artists evolve and change all the time, that's what she does. And it's not like one day she's singing opera and then the next day she's singing country, she has pretty much made pop music the entire time, but combined with other genres.

 

[Callum]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

A voice is lovely and all, but Katy Perry says it best (regarding her own 2010 album):

"Basically what I want to do is not alienate the audience that I have at all. I think some people feel like they have had success with one thing and one idea and one record and they want to pull a 180 and try a totally different thing, I definitely feel like that's the wrong move. I feel like you just have to grow from it, you can branch off of it but keep the tree the same in some ways. Some people get full of themselves, and they think that anything they do is going to work or turn to gold or be the right move, and the reason why you're here is because of the people that like your music and the fans, so you always should keep an ear open to what they're saying"

 

[goodtimes12128]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

A voice is lovely and all, but Katy Perry says it best (regarding her own 2010 album):

"Basically what I want to do is not alienate the audience that I have at all. I think some people feel like they have had success with one thing and one idea and one record and they want to pull a 180 and try a totally different thing, I definitely feel like that's the wrong move. I feel like you just have to grow from it, you can branch off of it but keep the tree the same in some ways. Some people get full of themselves, and they think that anything they do is going to work or turn to gold or be the right move, and the reason why you're here is because of the people that like your music and the fans, so you always should keep an ear open to what they're saying"

Thats great for her when Max Martin and Dr. Luke are writing and producing all of her hits. I get the feeling that Christina has made a conscious choice not to work with either of those hitmakers, seeing as they have written, especially Max Martin, the majority of her competitors hits.

 

[Ekim23]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

little dreamer is along with monday morning the only songs that I cant get enough on Bionic

 

[matt1980111]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

'Little Dreamer' does get me emotional....I think it is really moving.

 

[CenaOrtonlover]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

The more I hear from this album, the more I like it. I really don't like how they produced the song Bionic though. When she performed it at the MTV movie awards I liked it but the record itself sounds like shit.

 

[JesseNYC]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Just want to put this out there...

Totally hate Christina, Bionic, Not Myself Tonight, etc.


But I love "You Lost Me" and the video

 

[JesseNYC]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

whereas Christina is more of an artist (and obviously more vocally talented, which apparently doesn't always translate into huge album sales).

Ahem

Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston

 

[Simon Spark]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Ahem

Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston

Maybe in 1994 - but not these days.
The only reason Mariah is selling albums today is she's become almost completely hip hop. Unfortunately, she barely even uses her voice anymore. Well, nowhere near as much as she used to.

Christina is the only pop artist left who actually has any vocal ability/power to speak of at all.

 

[JesseNYC]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Maybe in 1994 - but not these days.
The only reason Mariah is selling albums today is she's become almost completely hip hop. Unfortunately, she barely even uses her voice anymore. Well, nowhere near as much as she used to.

Alicia Keys, Susan Boyle, Beyonce

 

[Simon Spark]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Alicia Keys, Susan Boyle, Beyonce

You got me on Alicia + Beyonce. They're amazing singers, but they're simply not on Christina's level vocally. Any regular Joe can do a decent job of "Crazy in Love" at Karaoke Night.... & Susan Boyle is definitely not a pop artist, by the way. ...at least, not in the sense of what's been discussed in this thread so far.

 

[JesseNYC]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

You got me on Alicia + Beyonce. They're amazing singers, but they're simply not on Christina's level vocally. Any regular Joe can do a decent job of "Crazy in Love" at Karaoke Night.... & Susan Boyle is definitely not a pop artist, by the way. ...at least, not in the sense of what's been discussed in this thread so far.

She is totally racy and edgy.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Ahem

Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston

I have to agree with Simon Spark. If this were the 90s, these women would sell like crazy. Unfortunately, vocal talent does not matter now-a-days as the record companies are simply looking for hits. Besides, Christina is more artistic than Mariah, Celina, and Whitney, even though they all did pop music.

Where I disagree with Simon is that there is also Jennifer Hudson, but people tend to forget about her. She cannot sing the whistle register like Christina, but she does possess the vocal power.

Alicia Keys, Susan Boyle, Beyonce

I love Alicia and she has a good tone, but that's it. She's really generic as a vocalist. She could not even do Prince's songs justice at the BET Awards as his songs had notes out of her range. Susan Boyle is only here because of her marketable story; if it were not for that, she would have been easily forgotten as a vocalist. She has a decent voice, but nothing spectacular.

Beyonce could not touch Christina vocally. She can make hits, but she will never be known for her challenging, demanding songs. She's not on the same level, no matter how one looks at her voice. She is very versatile in her application though.

 

[Simon Spark]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Where I disagree with Simon is that there is also Jennifer Hudson, but people tend to forget about her. She cannot sing the whistle register like Christina, but she does possess the vocal power.

I suppose I'm mostly referring to the ridiculous "pop princess" label (which Whitney, Celine, and Mariah could have all been subjected to at some point in their early careers). Jennifer Hudson has a great voice, but she's more of a soul singer than a pop star, in my opinion. Pop music as a whole has become a joke within the last 15 years, because actual talent/artistry have basically vanished from that genre of music - and, to me, Christina is the only one bringing both to the table these days.

 

[JesseNYC]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I suppose I'm mostly referring to the ridiculous "pop princess" label (which Whitney, Celine, and Mariah could have all been subjected to at some point in their early careers). Jennifer Hudson has a great voice, but she's more of a soul singer than a pop star, in my opinion. Pop music as a whole has become a joke within the last 15 years, because actual talent/artistry have basically vanished from that genre of music - and, to me, Christina is the only one bringing both to the table these days.

I don't really think singing about your woohoo and sex in the morning shows that much artistic credibility. The girl has her voice and that is about as far as I will go with her talent. The songs she does write are mediocre at best and honestly if it wasn't for Linda Perry she really wouldn't be much. I don't really understand what makes her such a great artist. She still dances around half naked, shakes her ass, and sings catchy pop songs about sex. She is just like every other pop singer out there. Just because she has a great voice and can back it up with some power ballad every now and then makes her a real artist though? I think not. She isn't anything special other than her voice. All her Grammies, which is what all Christina fans hide behind, are for guess what? Her singing capabilities. Which even any hater, and if they dont then they are full of shit, can admit is spectacular. But back to the point. Christina is no better a musical artist than Gaga, Beyonce, Madonna, Britney, etc.

 

[innocentbychoice]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I don't really think singing about your woohoo and sex in the morning shows that much artistic credibility.

She sings about sex, but she also sings about feeling beautiful no matter what people say, and how women should feel empowered for being who they are, among other subjects in other songs. She has sung about everything, including sex. The fact that you choose to focus on that aspect of her is beyond my understanding but I remind you that this girl who shakes her ass in assless chaps and talks about licking her woohoo, is the same one who sang "It's a Man's world" at the Grammys, and "Stepping out" with Tony Bennet.

The girl has her voice and that is about as far as I will go with her talent. The songs she does write are mediocre at best and honestly if it wasn't for Linda Perry she really wouldn't be much. I don't really understand what makes her such a great artist. She still dances around half naked, shakes her ass, and sings catchy pop songs about sex. She is just like every other pop singer out there. Just because she has a great voice and can back it up with some power ballad every now and then makes her a real artist though?

You answered your own question.

She isn't anything special other than her voice. All her Grammies, which is what all Christina fans hide behind, are for guess what? Her singing capabilities. Which even any hater, and if they dont then they are full of shit, can admit is spectacular. But back to the point. Christina is no better a musical artist than Gaga, Beyonce, Madonna, Britney, etc.

You sound like getting grammys for her voice is something negative. Well guess what? She's a SINGER. And the minimum requirement for someone to be a singer should be well...to be able to sing. So it's an amazing achievement to get Grammys for that. And when it comes to her voice, she outshines Gaga, Beyonce, Madonna and -oh God what a joke- Britney together. Maybe you don't like what she writes, maybe you don't like how she dresses, but she's an artist with her voice, and you said it yourself, nobody can deny it. She can sing about sex, and can also belt out a powerful ballad that gives you the creeps. And well a singer who can actually use her voice to SING everything and anything she wants IS an artist, and a far better artist than all the other mediocre performers who rely on voice enhancement softwares to sound decent.

 

[lilboyblue]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

..J-Hud's got a beautiful voice but to me she's one dimensional all power with little finesse, she will be remembered for her powerful voice though like Shirley Bassey. She's rarely listed & cited among the best vocalists out there, none of her ballads gives me the chill unlike Christina's.

 

[Simon Spark]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I don't really think singing about your woohoo and sex in the morning shows that much artistic credibility. The girl has her voice and that is about as far as I will go with her talent. The songs she does write are mediocre at best and honestly if it wasn't for Linda Perry she really wouldn't be much.

It goes back to the point (which has already been made a few times in this thread) that everyone is talking about woohoo's these days; it's just the times we live in, unfortunately. Should Christina's talent and songs that actually do address real issues be canceled out simply because she talks about sex? Absolutely not. Female artists being sexually provocative isn't a horrible thing, after all.
As far as your Linda Perry comment, did you know she was going to give "Beautiful" to either Christina or Britney Spears? I'm sure we'll all agree she made the right choice...Some performers aren't tremendously gifted songwriters and need help with that part of it. That definitely doesn't make them any less of an artist. In fact, I think it actually shows how talented they are to be able to incorporate someone else's emotions and add their own twist to a song, which Christina has done with all the songs Linda has given to/collaborated on with her.

But back to the point. Christina is no better a musical artist than Gaga, Beyonce, Madonna, Britney, etc.

This comes down to personal opinion. Obviously, all of us have different takes on which artist(s) we prefer, so none of us can really say Christina is better than Britney or Beyonce is better than Madonna. I'm sure even Gaga has her upsides, but it doesn't mean I'd buy her album. That said, I personally think Christina brings alot more to modern pop music than most other performers. Her talent and willingness to take risks make her stand out from the sea of mediocrity that's going on right now.

 

[JesseNYC]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Well the point I am trying to make is I do not think she is anything spectacular or extraordinary compared to what is already out there. I'm not saying she isn't talented. I just think her fans, like any singer's fans, tend to exaggerate her artistry and talent. She is mediocre to me and that is that.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Well the point I am trying to make is I do not think she is anything spectacular or extraordinary compared to what is already out there. I'm not saying she isn't talented. I just think her fans, like any singer's fans, tend to exaggerate her artistry and talent. She is mediocre to me and that is that.

Her voice makes her spectacular; it puts her in a league of her own, compared to other artists who are currently gracing the mainstream music scene. Whether one likes her or not, no one can match her vocal abilities.

Musically, she has shown that she can delve into different styles from R&B to Jazz to Rock to Gospel. In some cases, she has blended those styles with pop; in other cases, she has tackled those styles in pure form. So, it's not just her vocal abilities, it's her versatility.

Even in terms of her image, she has shown that she will experiment with different looks and styles. While I personally was not fond of the Xtina phase during the Stripped era, she did something to separate her from the "pop princess" label at the time.

She does pop music, but that does not take away from the fact that she's still an extremely talented vocalist. In addition, she has sung about other subjects as well. For some reason, you have not acknowledged that fact. I believe that all of those ideas do separate her from Lady Gaga, Beyonce, and others.

Unfortunately, I am too dense to understand what point you were trying to prove. Could you rephrase what you said earlier?