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The Christina Aguilera Mega-thread

Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Even in terms of her image, she has shown that she will experiment with different looks and styles. While I personally was not fond of the Xtina phase during the Stripped era, she did something to separate her from the "pop princess" label at the time.

THANK YOU! What she's done with her image has also added to her appeal, because there hasn't been alot of artists who've taken those kinds of risks in recent years. It's funny that most people automatically think of the skanky girl from the "Dirrty" video when you say the name Christina Aguilera - but, actually, she has done so much more than that with her look (and even in that video, I think she was trying to get as far away from the bubblegum shit as possible, so in that way, you have to respect the assless chaps). And it's never felt forced or contrived (ahem, Gaga!). :rolleyes:

I think she genuinely gets the fact that her image is another extension of her artistry and she isn't afraid to experiment with it (even if it's a complete fucking disaster and everyone thinks she's insane), which is refreshing.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

THANK YOU! What she's done with her image has also added to her appeal, because there hasn't been alot of artists who've taken those kinds of risks in recent years. It's funny that most people automatically think of the skanky girl from the "Dirrty" video when you say the name Christina Aguilera - but, actually, she has done so much more than that with her look (and even in that video, I think she was trying to get as far away from the bubblegum shit as possible, so in that way, you have to respect the assless chaps). And it's never felt forced or contrived (ahem, Gaga!). :rolleyes:

I think she genuinely gets the fact that her image is another extension of her artistry and she isn't afraid to experiment with it (even if it's a complete fucking disaster and everyone thinks she's insane), which is refreshing.

I have to disagree on one point. The reason I was not too fond of the Xtina image is that it did feel forced to me. While I understood why she changed her image drastically, it did not feel authentic. It was not just her image, it was her accent as well. It would have been one thing if Christina had been hanging with a bunch of hoodrats from Compton or The Bronx, but that was not the case. I still like her though.

I do not want to turn this thread into Lady Gaga vs. Christina thread, as I like both, Lady Gaga has admitted that her image is a gimmick. I actually think I have more respect for her. It does not matter though; Gaga still sells albums at the end of the day, gimmick or not.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I have to disagree on one point. The reason I was not too fond of the Xtina image is that it did feel forced to me. While I understood why she changed her image drastically, it did not feel authentic. It was not just her image, it was her accent as well. It would have been one thing if Christina had been hanging with a bunch of hoodrats from Compton or The Bronx, but that was not the case. I still like her though.

I do not want to turn this thread into Lady Gaga vs. Christina thread, as I like both, Lady Gaga has admitted that her image is a gimmick. I actually think I have more respect for her. It does not matter though; Gaga still sells albums at the end of the day, gimmick or not.

I actually do agree with you on the first point. BUT you have to remember, she was 21 years old and desperate to stand out in a sea of a million Britney girls when she came out with the "Stripped" look. I think she was finally given just the right amount of rope to hang herself and, being so young and feeling so stifled by that wholesome Mickey Mouse background, she definitely went too far. It's called rebellion. But since then she's had fun with her image AND incorporated it nicely with whatever she's doing creatively.

And I'm not at all interested in the Christina VS Gaga thing, either. I have my own reasons why I don't respect Gaga as an artist - and Christina has nothing to do w/ any of them.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Her voice makes her spectacular; it puts her in a league of her own, compared to other artists who are currently gracing the mainstream music scene. Whether one likes her or not, no one can match her vocal abilities.

Again, I have already acknowledged her amazing voice and am not trying to deny it. Like most of her fans, you need to stop clinging to it. There are plenty of singers out there with amazing vocal abilities.

Musically, she has shown that she can delve into different styles from R&B to Jazz to Rock to Gospel. In some cases, she has blended those styles with pop; in other cases, she has tackled those styles in pure form. So, it's not just her vocal abilities, it's her versatility.

First off, the Rock and R&B. She delved into Rock when the scene was littered with the rocker anti-pop princesses like Avril Lavigne, P!nk, etc. She did nothing special there. And guess what? Everyone from Madonna to Britney, Gaga to Beyonce have worked with R&B/Hip-Hop styled music. Again she has proven nothing. Second, the jazz and throw back days. She had one hit song, Aint No Other Man, that could fall in the category. And guess what? That song was about as Pop as you can get with only slight Jazz influences. Beyonce, Gaga, any of them could easily put an album out with Jazz influences but if you can't sell it then it doesn't mean anything.

Even in terms of her image, she has shown that she will experiment with different looks and styles. While I personally was not fond of the Xtina phase during the Stripped era, she did something to separate her from the "pop princess" label at the time.

Again, when she did that little "XTINA" era where she so desperately tried to rebel against the pop princess image and went rocker/dirrty, guess what was popular? Oh yeah, the punk rocker anti-pop princess singers like Avril and P!nk.
Yet again, she did nothing special there.

She does pop music, but that does not take away from the fact that she's still an extremely talented vocalist. In addition, she has sung about other subjects as well. For some reason, you have not acknowledged that fact. I believe that all of those ideas do separate her from Lady Gaga, Beyonce, and others.

This is exactly what I am talking about! She sings one song about inner beauty and it makes her some pop messiah! No! She was lucky she even got to sing that song since she had nothing to do with it. Stop hiding behind her voice and "Beautiful"! That is the point I am trying to make! Don't try to elevate her to something she is not. She is a generic pop singer with a great voice but guess what? So is Beyonce. And if we really want to jump on this wagon of Grammy awards, meaningful songs, and being able to sing. Guess what? BEYONCE kick her ass! I understand that you are her fan and you enjoy her music but really I am just sick of her talent being inflated. You all seem like you are constantly making excuses for her and holding on to moments of greatness that happened years ago (just like Britney fans). And honestly, it is annoying.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Again, I have already acknowledged her amazing voice and am not trying to deny it. Like most of her fans, you need to stop clinging to it. There are plenty of singers out there with amazing vocal abilities.

I'm not clinging to her voice alone. You're clinging to that argument. With that being said, there are not that many other singers who have amazing vocal abilities in the entertainment business at this time.

First off, the Rock and R&B. She delved into Rock when the scene was littered with the rocker anti-pop princesses like Avril Lavigne, P!nk, etc. She did nothing special there. And guess what? Everyone from Madonna to Britney, Gaga to Beyonce have worked with R&B/Hip-Hop styled music. Again she has proven nothing. Second, the jazz and throw back days. She had one hit song, Aint No Other Man, that could fall in the category. And guess what? That song was about as Pop as you can get with only slight Jazz influences. Beyonce, Gaga, any of them could easily put an album out with Jazz influences but if you can't sell it then it doesn't mean anything.

So, you name two other artists, Avril Lavigne and Pink, who performed similar styles of pop music and the music industry is littered with "anti-pop" princesses? Second, P!nk's second album would not have been classified as Rock, anyway. P!nk changed her image, but her album was not a Rock album, even if she was trying to separate herself from the R&B image she was initially given.

Avril Lavigne was a corporate puppet, so that point is useless. She marketed with a punk/emo style which is different from what Christina did. Christina took control of her second album, musically and artistically. By the way, did you see Christina's tribute to James Brown? Probably not. Once again, another example of her versatility as an artist. Somehow, I get the feeling that you really did not listen to B2B as well. She also had other tracks such as Candyman and I Got Trouble, which show her versatility as well.

Finally, being able to sell has nothing to do with the level of someone's talent/artistry. Another point which is irrelevant. Anyway, the more talented/artistic a person is, the less he or she sells because the person's not relatable. However, if your point mattered, she still reached number one with B2B.

Again, when she did that little "XTINA" era where she so desperately tried to rebel against the pop princess image and went rocker/dirrty, guess what was popular? Oh yeah, the punk rocker anti-pop princess singers like Avril and P!nk.
Yet again, she did nothing special there.

See my paragraph above.

This is exactly what I am talking about! She sings one song about inner beauty and it makes her some pop messiah! No! She was lucky she even got to sing that song since she had nothing to do with it. Stop hiding behind her voice and "Beautiful"! That is the point I am trying to make! Don't try to elevate her to something she is not. She is a generic pop singer with a great voice but guess what? So is Beyonce. And if we really want to jump on this wagon of Grammy awards, meaningful songs, and being able to sing. Guess what? BEYONCE kick her ass! I understand that you are her fan and you enjoy her music but really I am just sick of her talent being inflated. You all seem like you are constantly making excuses for her and holding on to moments of greatness that happened years ago (just like Britney fans). And honestly, it is annoying.

Once again, you have not listened to enough material to justify this claim. As I said earlier, she has multiple songs where she has sung about something atypical pop subjects. Songs is the plural formation of song, which is singular. Songs such as Mercy on Me, Hurt, Hold Us Down, and Fighter are other songs, which show that she can delve beyond standard pop drivel, if that's your argument. These are the facts.

Beyonce is a generic pop singer, but her songs do not possess the same level of difficulty as Christina. The reason for that is she does not have the same level of abilities as Christina. I like B as a performer, but I'll be the first to admit that she cannot touch Christina vocally.

Also, Beyonce really has not tackled any profound issues on any of her albums. Yes, I've heard every album and all of them discuss:

1) Loving a man.
2) Wanting to love a man.
3) Hating a man.
4) How a man needs to step to her correctly.
5) How she's the queen.
6) Dreaming about a man.
7) Missing a man.
8 ) Replacing a man.
9) Going insane because of a man.
10) How a man is checking for her.
11) What she can offer a man.
12) Accepting a man.
13) A man accepting her.

Why is Beyonce, of all singers, being brought into this discussion anyway?
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I agree with AngelFromAbove here, I love both Beyonce & Christina but vocally Beyonce cannot touch Christina. I attended both the B2B & Sasha Fierce concerts and I was blown away by the sheer power in Christina's voice. Maybe its due to the fact that Beyonce is more trained and comes off as vocally restricted unlike Christina who comes off as having totally raw vocal prowess? Having said that though I enjoyed Sasha Fierce concert more, because I reckon Beyonce as an entertainer is on another level compared to Christina, there seems to be more energy reminiscent of Janet Jackson's.

When it comes to versatility hands down Christina's got it.

BTW Pink & Kelly Clarkson to me have very similar type of music as in they can sing each other's songs basically, throw in Natasha Beddingfield too! When Clarkson sang "Miss Independent" people immediately associated it with Xtina because the style IS very Xtina (albeit it is written by Xtina) the way Clarkson sang it is very XTINA >>> point is even during the STRIPPED era Xtina already had this vocal trademark and this cannot be said to any of her contemporaries.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Also, Beyonce really has not tackled any profound issues on any of her albums. Yes, I've heard every album and all of them discuss:

1) Loving a man.
2) Wanting to love a man.
3) Hating a man.
4) How a man needs to step to her correctly.
5) How she's the queen.
6) Dreaming about a man.
7) Missing a man.
8 ) Replacing a man.
9) Going insane because of a man.
10) How a man is checking for her.
11) What she can offer a man.
12) Accepting a man.
13) A man accepting her.

Hahaaaa, THANK YOU!! Finally, someone acknowledges this besides me. ..|

There are 2 or 3 Beyonce songs that I can actually tolerate, but this is very true. She has zero range as far as issues/ideas she addresses in her songs. Aside from her slightly above average vocal ability, I've found her to be extremely boring.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

Hahaaaa, THANK YOU!! Finally, someone acknowledges this besides me. ..|

There are 2 or 3 Beyonce songs that I can actually tolerate, but this is very true. She has zero range as far as issues/ideas she addresses in her songs. Aside from her slightly above average vocal ability, I've found her to be extremely boring.

Again, I do not want to get a war started between the two. Beyonce has catchy songs and she's a great performer on stage. I just wanted to acknowledge that before someone came and said I'm hating on the chick.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

You sound like getting grammys for her voice is something negative. Well guess what? She's a SINGER. And the minimum requirement for someone to be a singer should be well...to be able to sing.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Christina can sing. That's what marks her presence in the industry.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I just cant get enough of Monday Morning....
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

..Has anyone else seen the trailer for Burlesque? ..Am I the only one looking forward to the Soundtrack Album?!!
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

..Has anyone else seen the trailer for Burlesque? ..Am I the only one looking forward to the Soundtrack Album?!!

Yep. And, just going by the trailer, I think people will be impressed with her acting performance, at least.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

OMG!!! Another clip of Burlesque!! Her belting out an Etta James classic....my god her VOICE!!! WHAT A VOICE!!
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I want her back to this

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6qN9Uga-4[/ame]
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

I love this chick and this video just gives me another reason to love her. There is so much soul to her voice.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

yeah thats true the album has def grew up on me ;)
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

And when it comes to her voice, she outshines Gaga, Beyonce, Madonna and -oh God what a joke- Britney together.
well that's YOUR opinion - you can't talk about that like it's a given fact. i know a lot of people (including myself) that laugh straight to other people's faces who dare comparing christina's voice to beyoncé's. and i know a LOT of people that think that britney's voice is a LOT more enjoyable because of her unique singing voice and her sacrifice to not scream (which is what aguilera sounds like doing).

for the record, most of the people still buying records seem to agree. both britney and beyoncé, as well as lady gaga (to name 3 of the 4 people you just called out) had their last #01 this year. to be exact, these 3 women are forbes magazines top 3 musicians of 2010. aguilera had her last #01 9 years ago (not even by herself, accompanied by pink, lil kim, mya and missy), her most recent work flopped worldwide cause no one gave a flying fuck about her comeback - which IS a fact, btw.

:wave:

 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

sorry for the double post, but i can't edit for some reason:

btw, i read someone saying britney fans hold on to great times - well, we're still living in great times. bitch is looking more fierce and fierce day by day, her latest cd's have been huge worldwide hits, she had a record breaking sold-out worldtour last year, she's forbes #02 top earning musician this year, has the best-selling celebrity fragrances of all time (new one coming out soon), big campaigns still running (remember "candies"?) and a new album on the way... ;)

for those who haven't seen her in a while, this one's a recent picture of her leaving the westlake recording studios in l.a. 3 days ago:

britnew.jpg
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

well that's YOUR opinion - you can't talk about that like it's a given fact. i know a lot of people (including myself) that laugh straight to other people's faces who dare comparing christina's voice to beyoncé's. and i know a LOT of people that think that britney's voice is a LOT more enjoyable because of her unique singing voice and her sacrifice to not scream (which is what aguilera sounds like doing).

Ummm last time I checked even Britney herself mentioned she'd love to have a VOICE like Christina's...so you followers clearly need serious psychological help since some of you are clearly in denial. As for the Beyonce comparison if you actually read all the previous posts you'd noticed that we JUSTIFIED OUR OPINIONS as to why we think Christina is VOCALLY & MUSICALLY SUPERIOR to Beyonce, we didn't just pull shit out of our asses which is what you're clearly doing by saying "i know a lot of people" blah blah LMFAO. Beyonce's been in the industry for almost as long as Christina and was clearly the centrepiece of Destiny's Child BUT SHE WAS NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED for her voice on the same level as Christina's. The moment Christina came out with her first album WHITNEY, MARIAH & even ARETHA were floated around her name. So yes to compare Beyonce against Christina TO US is laughable (again at least I justified my opinion). Topping the charts has nothing to do with vocal prowess just FYI.
 
Re: Aguilera: Bionic [Spring 2010]

and to further cement this fact here's a little reminder to you Britney Fan/S :wave:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-HcnAnTNOM&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-HcnAnTNOM&feature=related[/ame]
Note how she said LOVE not like BUT LOVE!! :-({|=
 
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