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The Christina Aguilera Mega-thread

^Bitch, I don't even live in the US and I won't make an international call just to get her song played or start hitting up international radio stations on websites.

So don't fucking come in here acting like your personal reason of a song's quality determines whether or not a song does well.
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Except the general public thought it was not worth requesting too. You're requesting a song as a minority because the majority didn't like the song. And then act surprised when it doesn't play. There are probably 50 requests for other songs to 1 request for a Christina song. You think they will ditch their dedicated listener base for the 1 Christina request, or follow the 50 other requests?

Peace.
 
So you truly think that you, as one person, is requesting the song plenty of times to get the radio impressions of the song alone all by yourself, when millions of people are requesting other songs?

Lol, okay hun. At this point you're not a fan, you're just delusional, so I will stop.
 
penayforay said:

You still once again failed to answer why radio would play some obscure Nicki or Kesha song that no one in the general public would have goddamn requested.
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I thought we were done (I'm so checked out), but here you go.

You don't seem to realize, the songs are sent to radio by yes, the label itself. And the label can "buy" airtime on radio depending on how well they feel a single will perform commercially. If the single isn't doing well commercially, the label will not pay radio to play it anymore, but the radio will still play songs if they get sufficient requests for it. This increases a song's audience impressions, which Billboard uses to rank songs on the Hot 100.

That's how the system works. So if Ke$ha's team decided to send her song to radio to get some sales for it, then yea good for her. In Christina's case for "Your Body", the label probably didn't see it selling well enough to consistently send it for airplay. A song cruising in the mid 30s for itunes will probably only be at the 40-70 mark on the Hot 100, which was what Your Body was at for most of its stay.

If radio acts "shady" this is actually a very legit lawsuit that any record label can unleash upon them because radio impressions are scanned by Neilsen Soundscan which in turns provides data to Billboard. There's no hiding and refusing to play songs here.

Here is a look at the top radio airplay songs for pop songs from 1992 (when Neilsen started the scanning) -2012:

Radio only dedicates a portion of its airplay to viewer request, so they will only play songs that the majority of the people want to listen to, i.e. they want to keep their viewer count as high as possible, because their viewer count is what they boast to other advertisers looking to buy airtime to advertise.

The only people who enjoyed Your Body would probably be people who have been following Christina since her Genie in a Bottle days. The younger public is generally moved on to newer waves of popstars. Look at the top 100 today and 5 or 10 years ago. Many of the artists in years past have completely fallen off.

This is also why Christina seems to sell better when she collaborates with artists that are more current (i.e Maroon 5 and recently Pitbull). The only reason Christina's song with Pitbull is doing well is because she's a feature artist with a relevant artist. If that was her own song, it would have bombed just as badly as Your Body or Not Myself Tonight, because this isn't the style of music she's best associated with.

So you can either sit here with a catcus up your ass and whine all day about radio being shady to Christina (but now magically decides to play her song that Pitbull is in?), or you can just admit that the only people who would have enjoyed Your Body were Christina's core fanbase and nobody new.

Peace.
 
penayforay said:
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Impressive. I should return the favor

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^ I never said anything about Just a Fool. I already said it was the first song I purchased off Lotus (and then Blank Page). It's true that Just a Fool and Blank Page are 10x better than Your Body. Christina probably also had similar thoughts as she I think only did 1 performance of Your Body (with a stapler IIRC). Although one could again argue that it's just another song where Christina isn't the only person singing but instead collaborating with someone doing well at the moment.

And yes singles are sent to radio by labels. This is one of the first things labels do when it comes to releasing & promoting a single. If you think about a business, RCA will not go in a loss to play a certain song on radio if they don't feel like the single can sell well. This is where it comes to resource allocation. Although both Christina and Ke$ha are signed to RCA (and even Britney is now signed to the same label), it doesn't mean they will get the same treatment even though their parent label is the same.

The label could have decided to give Ke$ha more radio airplay and save Christina's budget for a possible tour. She said she was leaving The Voice for a season to tour. Or perhaps they weren't satisfied by the dismal sales of Your Body when compared to Die Young (I hate both songs btw). Or perhaps the contract signed by Ke$ha and Christina differ in those details. We will never know.

But Your Body was terrible. I'm glad radio was, if I may quote you, "shady as fuck" towards the song, if that was true. However you can't ever convince me that the thousands of radio stations all over the country had DJs who all simultaneously thought they should not play Christina's songs. That's just stupid.

For the record I frequently have posters comment message me agreeing with my opinions, so I'm not alone when I say that Christina took the absolute worst detour possible after Back to Basics, artistically, with no signs of ever getting back on the right track as of right now. There is NOBODY out there on radio right now who can pull off the jazzy, old school sound that was associated with Back to Basics. Everything about that album was amazing. Just a Fool, Blank Page, and the other songs of Lotus do not compare with Back to Basics. Yes she still does ballads but the ballads she did for Back to Basics were 10x better.

As for Britney's vocal credibility, there are people who prefer Britney's tone over Christina's. This has nothing to do with their singing ability, it's just the sound of the voice. While Britney doesn't have the vocals Christina does, Christina's popularity never rivaled Britney's. Britney was and is a much bigger star. Britney still commands strong album and singles sales and is a very prominent figure in pop music. Christina hasn't had a #1 song as a soloist in what, a decade?

FYI I prefer more of Christina's songs over Britneys, but it's odd to see you get so pissed off over Christina's success (or lack of for Lotus).

Peace~
 
BreakTheIce said:
I wasn't the only one, because the song didn't chart strongly.

And radio has always supported Christina when she's put out the right things. Christina was the #2 singles selling artist of 2000s, trailing only Madonna. You don't sell singles well if radio doesn't play them. Radio does play them.

Truth is nobody really cares about Lotus except Christina's core fans. Get over it and yourself.

Justin Timberlake got personal with his fans before releasing Suit & Tie with some Youtube promo. His website also started a single release countdown. Scream & Shout's video was premiered on The X Factor so it got a strong initial audience viewing.
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LOL don't even go there. Christina did that as well, most of the promotion we got was from Youtube. And I hated it.
 
I'm way late to the discussion but I'm too lazy to read everything, I kinda went through it really fast. I don't want to get into it though, just wanted to point out that someone said Christina was 35 lol...Google anyone? She just turned 32 and honestly I don't know how that has anything to do with anything. I mean, have you guys seen this somewhat known artist called MADONNA? How old is she? like 55? And she's still making fun pop music.

I believe Lotus is an amazing album and the real issue in my opinion is that Xtina doesn't care enough to promote, I feel like she's becoming more of a business woman and that's why she's focused on her perfumes instead of promoting the album.
 
Are you still arguing with yourself?

Funny.

This is why I hate hard core fans of basically anyone. If you all say that Christina says she doesn't care about charting success anymore, then as a fan, you shouldn't go ape shit about her dismal singles and CD sales either. Lotus flopped, get over it and yourself. Radio was the only reason Christina got any recognition from the public and when she put out the right material radio backed her up all the way. It's the only reason she became known as the voice of the generation.

You may like Your Body as a fan, and good for you. Think about it from the point of view of a non fan. First of all, Christina is not at her physical peak. So seeing a video of a fat (by Hollywood standards) girl singing about wanting to fuck a guy is ironic when she doesn't even look hot enough to get laid with the fake tan and prostitute look in the video.

Secondly, the song fails to represent the rest of the album in every which way possible. It doesn't follow through with the theme of Lotus, which was basically supposed to be a "musical rebirth" for Christina. Your Body isn't a ground breaking revolutionary musical rebirth, it's about as commonplace as every other radio song out there. The only difference is that the person singing it can actually sing without relying on auto tune. Which makes you wonder, why can't a good vocalist put out stuff that showcases, I don't know, their voice?

Christina's career is done at this point if all she does is put out albums like Lotus and doesn't care enough to properly promote them. It's just that simple. And guess what, her record sales prove it. She took a hit with Bionic and an ever bigger hit with Lotus even though she performed on The Voice when it came out, and a few other shows.

Nobody who is a casual listener will take her seriously with the overly done fake tan, the way she dresses, the fucking gay rainbow explosion performances, lack of promotion, and her choice of singles.

Lotus is done. Move along. Christina is well past her golden days and unless she gets her act straight her career will keep going downhill. With the way she looks, the way she carries herself, and the songs she puts out you cannot say that she is the same person who put out Beautiful or her other successful work. Dirrty, while a poorly performing single, at least was iconic in her career. There is nothing iconic or memorable about anything she put out after Back to Basics. Nobody takes her seriously anymore because she doesn't take herself seriously.

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BTW I'm done arguing about this you can keep on quoting paragraph by paragraph to reply because I guess it's too much to expect someone to read an entire post and formulate an opinion without having to break it down. And you can keep on coming into other topics and quoting 3 month old posts to track Christina's shit into other topics as well. And you can keep on changing IPs to request her songs on different forums. And you can keep on calling radio stations to request her songs. And you can keep on being miserable as a fan and never bring yourself to enjoy the album on your own without having to put blame on other factors for her recent failures.

But the truth is, millions of people in the US and all over the world do not give a flying. fuck. about Christina's music anymore, because she doesn't either.
 
BreakTheIce said:
Are you still arguing with yourself?

Funny.

This is why I hate hard core fans of basically anyone. If you all say that Christina says she doesn't care about charting success anymore, then as a fan, you shouldn't go ape shit about her dismal singles and CD sales either. Lotus flopped, get over it and yourself. Radio was the only reason Christina got any recognition from the public and when she put out the right material radio backed her up all the way. It's the only reason she became known as the voice of the generation.

You may like Your Body as a fan, and good for you. Think about it from the point of view of a non fan. First of all, Christina is not at her physical peak. So seeing a video of a fat (by Hollywood standards) girl singing about wanting to fuck a guy is ironic when she doesn't even look hot enough to get laid with the fake tan and prostitute look in the video.

Secondly, the song fails to represent the rest of the album in every which way possible. It doesn't follow through with the theme of Lotus, which was basically supposed to be a "musical rebirth" for Christina. Your Body isn't a ground breaking revolutionary musical rebirth, it's about as commonplace as every other radio song out there. The only difference is that the person singing it can actually sing without relying on auto tune. Which makes you wonder, why can't a good vocalist put out stuff that showcases, I don't know, their voice?

Christina's career is done at this point if all she does is put out albums like Lotus and doesn't care enough to properly promote them. It's just that simple. And guess what, her record sales prove it. She took a hit with Bionic and an ever bigger hit with Lotus even though she performed on The Voice when it came out, and a few other shows.

Nobody who is a casual listener will take her seriously with the overly done fake tan, the way she dresses, the fucking gay rainbow explosion performances, lack of promotion, and her choice of singles.

Lotus is done. Move along. Christina is well past her golden days and unless she gets her act straight her career will keep going downhill. With the way she looks, the way she carries herself, and the songs she puts out you cannot say that she is the same person who put out Beautiful or her other successful work. Dirrty, while a poorly performing single, at least was iconic in her career. There is nothing iconic or memorable about anything she put out after Back to Basics. Nobody takes her seriously anymore because she doesn't take herself seriously.

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BTW I'm done arguing about this you can keep on quoting paragraph by paragraph to reply because I guess it's too much to expect someone to read an entire post and formulate an opinion without having to break it down. And you can keep on coming into other topics and quoting 3 month old posts to track Christina's shit into other topics as well. And you can keep on changing IPs to request her songs on different forums. And you can keep on calling radio stations to request her songs. And you can keep on being miserable as a fan and never bring yourself to enjoy the album on your own without having to put blame on other factors for her recent failures.

But the truth is, millions of people in the US and all over the world do not give a flying. fuck. about Christina's music anymore, because she doesn't either.
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wow at the argument on the last few pages
its nice of penayforay giving facts like the 'britney clearchannel dispute' as to oppose of just arguing based on personal opinion and projecting it as a general public's opinion
 
Before penayforay makes more accounts to message me (get a life honey), let me make my thoughts on Lotus & Christina clear.

Lotus was supposed to signify Christina's return to prominence, which is why she collaborated with some of the biggest pop-hit making producers on the album (Max Martin, Shellback, to name a few) and also with her fellow Voice judges, Blake Shelton & Cee Lo Green. But the album had a rocky start of only < 73,000 in its first week, despite a promotion performance she did on The Voice for the album alongside Cee Lo. And despite followup performances on TV on both the Voice, and other shows, the album and its singles tanked. At the end of January, 2013, the album has sold less than 200k in the US, and the singles have sold a combined less than 1 million in the US. Worldwide, this album marked some of the lowest sales figures Christina has ever posted.

So no matter how big of a fan you are, you cannot deny that Lotus wasn't exactly a comeback, because it was basically a non-event. Christina commands a massive and somewhat protective/delusional fan base (some of which you can evidence here), but it was probably wrong of her fans to expect big things from Lotus given her history with Bionic. Say all you want about it being 'ahead of its time' or whatever but album sales being what they are nowadays, that only tells half the story. It's better to look at how she's fared on the singles charts because her fans probably should have seen all this coming and tempered their expectations accordingly.

So first let's look at the facts.

- Christina has had three solo #1's on the Billboard Hot 100
- Her fourth was "Lady Marmalade" on which she's featured alongside other artists
- Her fifth was "Moves Like Jagger," where is a featured artist on a Maroon 5 song.
- Since 2002, she's only had three singles land in the top 10 (2002's "Beautiful," 2006's "Ain't No Other Man" and 2008's "Keeps Gettin' Better")
- Her best showing in recent years was "Not Myself Tonight," which made it to #23.
- Lotus' first single, "Your Body," peaked at #34, and eight weeks after it was released, it tanked at #84.

These are just facts.

Moving on,

Christina failed to replicate the chart success of pop stars like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, & Rihanna with Lotus. There are plenty of theories & prevailing thoughts (whether real or imagined) that she's not as likable, does not work overtime to channel the same outsider spirit (and therefore isn't as relatable), has radio against her (which makes no sense as the singles tanked all over the world, not just in the US) or simply hasn't been as smart with her choices of singles to release.

The truth of the matter lies in her lack of singles success, because it suggests that Christina is no longer a pop star like Rihanna or Katy Perry; she's a niche artist like Adele. Which is why I pointed out that Christina needs to put out albums like the widely acclaimed, Grammy winning Back to Basics, and not something like Lotus.

In her best moments (and I wish there were more of them on Lotus), she can out-sing just about anybody, and sings circles around GaGa, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Britney Spears, etc. She still releases interesting stuff, and I do love "Just a Fool" and think there are plenty of equally worthy follow-ups on Lotus, like "Blank Page" or "Best of Me".

She has a loyal fanbase, one that has thinned in recent years, but remains nonetheless. She can still work with anyone she pleases and make the kinds of albums she wants. But this doesn't mean she will be successful in doing so, as evidenced by Bionic and Lotus. As far as niche artists go, Christina's got it pretty good as evidenced by the success of Back to Basics, which focuses on the 20's and 30's jazzy style of music which she did justice.

But I really think that it's time for her to stop trying to compete with her contemporaries by releasing songs like "Your Body" and embrace the uniqueness of her situation.

As far as I'm concerned, everything about Lotus went wrong. It was inevitable that it would fail the minute she put out "Your Body". In my opinion, she never needed a comeback. She was fine exactly where she was and should have just put out music that helps her shine as a niche artist after the one misstep of Bionic. Her voice is unique and lends itself very well to such music, similar to how Adele can push ballads to the top of the charts everywhere around the world. But her voice & image doesn't fare well against her other contemporaries when she sings mainstream pop.

In good news I'm glad to have blocked penayforay for this nonsense to stop. I'm also glad camp Christina seems to have given up on Lotus. Hopefully her next album (if any) takes her back to what she's good at as opposed to trying to be good at whatever everyone else is good at.
 
so, i gave "lotus" a spin. i quite like aguilera, eventhough i think shes always been a little hit-or-miss.
well, her latest effort didnt impress me. basically, "just a fool" is the only song i like, and it sounds like it belongs on a different album.
"lotus" sounds generic, a little desperate, and kinda rihannabe.
i think aguileras voice sounds best against a more organic backdrop, as in "stripped" and "back to basic". "bionic" was slick, but at least it was also interesting and daring and energetic. "lotus" just sounds unflattering and boring to me.
after hearing "just a fool", im kinda hoping her next album is gonna be country/blues/folk-pop. i think that would be an interesting direction for her to explore.
 
I actually liked Bionic more so than Lotus.

I can't wait to see what she comes up with next :)
 
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