"The Collapse of the American Empire?"

[Telstra]

your thoughts.
True or false ?

 

[mikey3000]

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Yes, I truly believe it. It is imploding on itself very quickly, proudly turning into a third world country.

 

[rareboy]

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China outweighs the US.

The American age is over.

 

[DantheManFL]

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Sad but true.

 

[mikey3000]

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Thus is the only time in history where a superpower has financed its successor.

 

[NotHardUp1]

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Dewey didn't beat Truman.

America's failures are against our former stature. We still drive the economy that pipes the tune for much of the world economically. Japan was touted as the ascendant country before the marbles stopped rolling during the tech boom. China is a juggernaut, but her economic policies have left her dependent upon her own low wage base. Her own workers have begun to balk at the very wage that made them so attractive to the West.

Be sure of it, the US buying economy controls much of the world's markets from sheer spending power with a large population. India and China have vast populations, but not vast populations with large expendable income.

Economically, militarily, and even culturally, the US remains in a very powerful position. Those clucking their tongues do so without addressing the full spectrum of influence that constitutes a nation's status.

This may not be "The American Century," but don't expect to see us in hobo clothes anytime soon.

 

[Cormac135]

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America has been on the slide since Vietnam, of the Greeks, the Romans and the Brits, America has done very little with the dominance it once had.

 

[Alistair]

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Dewey didn't beat Truman.

America's failures are against our former stature. We still drive the economy that pipes the tune for much of the world economically. Japan was touted as the ascendant country before the marbles stopped rolling during the tech boom. China is a juggernaut, but her economic policies have left her dependent upon her own low wage base. Her own workers have begun to balk at the very wage that made them so attractive to the West.

Be sure of it, the US buying economy controls much of the world's markets from sheer spending power with a large population. India and China have vast populations, but not vast populations with large expendable income.

Economically, militarily, and even culturally, the US remains in a very powerful position. Those clucking their tongues do so without addressing the full spectrum of influence that constitutes a nation's status.

This may not be "The American Century," but don't expect to see us in hobo clothes anytime soon.

China can swat America like a fly, considering how much of our debt they own.

 

[NotHardUp1]

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You consider the equation wrong. Just as any other creditor, just as the Japanese in the 80's, their investment means nothing if we go down in flames.

The idea that a business relationship is one-sided is a fallacy. My customer at work likes to behave badly and try to act unilaterally, but big contracts don't work that way. The buyer needs the seller and vice versa.

It's simply not real economics to consider China some superpower economically. Their economy grinds down quickly without the American market. That's one of the reason why Trump's been able to rock the boat without everyone simply walking away. The GDP and wealth in the U.S. is a huge factor.

 

[Telstra]

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on that video, the guy said America produce very little and depends on the "faith" of the dollar used around the world.
If other countries don't have the "faith" or do not trust the dollar has anymore value demand gold in exchange, America might be in abit of trouble.

 

[peeonme]

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Laziness, a lack of intellectual curiosity and malaise accompanied with a narcissistic mentality will hasten our demise.

 

[Rickrock]

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I hate it when you post videos longer than 3 minutes and usually don't spend the time listening to them, however, as I started to listen to this one it became so interesting that I continued to listen to the end. It is distressful, but I believe that he has a point. Our economy and institutions are crumbling and not sustaining people across the board. Violence and despair are increasing and our system is not providing for a growing percentage of our people. There is no telling where this will end, but I don't believe that it has hit bottom yet. Others here have pointed out that world economies are connected and that is true, but that doesn't mean that the U.S. cannot descend further.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

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Economically, militarily, and even culturally, the US remains in a very powerful position. Those clucking their tongues do so without addressing the full spectrum of influence that constitutes a nation's status.

Oh. Sure. Just like Latin remained the lingua france for ten centuries after Rome began its downfall in the third century.

The biggest strength of the USA has always been the fact that it's a meritocracy. But with lousy public education, no public health care, too many dangerous neighbourhoods and no public transit, ever fewer people can actually take part in the system. Most rich western (or rich eastern) countries owe their success to subsidized health care, subsidized schooling, subsidized public transport and gun control. The lack of these is making America fall behind.

When America celebrates its 250th anniversary in 2026, it will feel a lot like Rome celebrating its 1000th in 247, already coming undone at the edges.

 

[rareboy]

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For those thinking that the US is still the powerful giant striding across the globe...you need to watch the documentary on China's one belt Silk Road project.

While the US has been standing still around the world and now is literally building fortress America, China has undertaken trillions in projects on every continent and is literally re-making its land and sea links with countries around the world. It is now the nation building the railways, seaports, highways and other critical infrastructure in countries it now for all intents and purposes, owns. It has taken over the sovereign debt of countries like Greece, purchasing their entire seaport in order to buy a doorway into into Europe...the examples are endless.

It was less than a century ago that England was still the greatest Empire the world had ever seen. It only took 2 wars to wipe their empire off the map as the world overtook them.

The current US administration has only hastened the decline of US importance on the world stage. 50 years of stumbling failure in warfare and foreign policy have left it increasingly isolated. It now openly threatens its allies and client states...thereby driving them even further away from the US as a stable, dependable partner or overlord.

While the rest of the world is moving ahead with smoothing global trade and working to slow or reverse the impact of climate change, the US is trying to re-adopt coal and pretend that it can once again be the manufacturer and supplier of products to the world. It is strangling its own domestic and export markets with disastrous tariff based trade policy... just like Britain tried to do in the dying days of its economic and political hegemony.

America's only last card to play is to provoke a world war that it thinks it can win. The current shift around the globe to fascism and strongmen dictators means that it is only a matter of when, not if, they end up in open armed conflict instead of the proxy wars they fight so that they don't have the bloodshed and the ruin within their own borders.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

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^ Very true.

The next world war will be between the West and muslim-fundamentalist countries. Like the UK before, the USA will win the war and lose the peace, which will be won by the old democracies of the West and the new, future liberal democracies of the East.

 

[Telstra]

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^ America has too many guns,
bloodshed within maybe

 

[rareboy]

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^ Very true.

The next world war will be between the West and muslim-fundamentalist countries. Like the UK before, the USA will win the war and lose the peace, which will be won by the old democracies of the West and the new, future liberal democracies of the East.

Don't be so sure that the US will win...if there is such a thing in global war. Since the end of the second world war, the US has not done all that well. Korea was a draw, Vietnam was an unmitigated disaster, the First Gulf War resolved nothing and the Iraq invasion was another disaster and the Afghanistan war continues the tradition of every empire failing to win any kind of victory since the time of Alexander and probably before. Syria has been ceded to Russia by the US and will also never be resolved.

And while TrumpCo. is jonesing to start dropping mega bombs on Iran...even they have to know that it is the zero sum game that will trigger the next world war. Or at the very least, get Israel wiped off the map.

To be honest, I think it is one of the reasons why TrumpCo. is in love with 'Space Force' as a concept. There is a realization by this point that even all the technology that Raytheon can provide is pretty much no match for a determined 'enemy'. Fighting imaginary space aliens with Star Wars tech will be the ultimate boner maker.

The other theory for the almost orchestrated decline and fall is that the US government is now firmly in the control of Dominionists and nihilist 'christians' who seriously believe that we are in the End Times prophesied in the New Testament. For them, there is no reason to care about the future of the planet, the future of the government or the future of humankind. It is all about the Elect and the Damned and making everything ready for the Second Coming. As nuts as this seems....it is the core belief of way too many conservatives in the American government today...including Pence.

The salvation of America and possibly the whole world will be aetheism or a return to secularism. If we can all hold out that long.

 

[nycguydowntown]

think it depends--if we get rid of dump and get some good people in office and get to majority rule it could change the trajectory of this country----will know a little more next week but getting rid of money in politics, going to majority rule, making it easier to vote, having work visas for immigrants, getting health care, getting some progressive leaders that aren't snowflakes--its a real long shot but the idea of America is a good one on paper.

 

[NotHardUp1]

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

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This may not be "The American Century," but don't expect to see us in hobo clothes anytime soon.

I'm from Europe, Home of Fallen Empires, we always say things like this just before we're entered as a side note in history books...

Bogart Peter Stuyvesant believes in the Fall of the American Empire...