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The Curse Remains Unbroken: Hillary goes down in flames

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Democrats across the country have been dragged into the Clinton ditch of scandal, corporatism, and pay to play politics.

In a change year, it was decided that nominating the most establishment and distrusted figure to ever run for President would be a "good" idea.

The same people who apologized for Clinton's flaws in 2008 were ready to do it again, believe their own lies about their candidate, and attempt to shed any and all responsibility for their actions by creating "Safe spaces" - because the politics of identity were more important than having a real discussion, and now it just blew up in their faces.

America knows the facts about Hillary Clinton, after she refused to release her Wall street speech transcripts, smeared her main opponent in the democratic primary, thus alienating millions of true progressives, lied about who killed 4 American in Benghazi, and Clinton's foreign policy moves that resulted in one catastrophe after another, arguably leading to the rise of ISIS.

All of those things may not be what did Hillary in.

It may have been the same thing that has remained true since 2004.

Every single Senator, of both parties, Including John McCain, John Kerry and now Hillary Rodham Clinton have disgraced their parties all because they believed being a follower and not a leader would grant them presidential mojo.

But the American people learn from their mistakes.

Clinton democrats failed to learn from the same mistake, and its cost the democrats for the 2nd time. And don't look to Joe Biden, he voted for Iraq as well.

The vote to Invade Iraq set off a chain of events that propelled Donald Trump to openly slam Jeb Bush and former president George W Bush, effectively capitalizing on what the majority of Americans now know, that it was a huge blunder and that George Bush failed to keep America safe.

Hillary Clinton countered with fear-mongering, in classic neo-con style, but she has the same affliction that ended John Kerry's political career the exact same way.

Clinton, thus void of credibility on foreign policy, was easily outmaneuvered when questions of Russia, Iran and ISIS came up.

Americans knew Clinton's foreign policy positions were not authentic because they mirrored past failed president George W Bush and Trump easily linked Bush and Clinton to a record of failed policies from establishment politicians.

Instead of nomination an un-apologetic progressive who led the fight against George Bush's failed policies, democrats spent 15 months trying to minimize the impacts of Hillary's failed attempts to explain herself on Iraq, on her emails, and her cozy relationship with wall street.

On domestic policy, Hillary was even worse.

Her husband gleefully signed NAFTA. Hillary called TPP the "Gold standard"

Clinton only wanted $12 an hour minimum wage when progressives had already won $15. That is giving up without a fight and Americans want a fighter.

The Clinton's colluded with republicans to dismantle welfare.

Bill Clinton signed DOMA, the most bigoted legislation ever passed in the modern era.

Bill Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Stegall, the biggest de-regulation of the Banks since the great depression.

The Clinton's, and sometimes Obama, have had a history of quickly folding in the face of republican politics and now they get to live with those decisions to not fight the hard battles.

The other half of democrats wanted to have that fight.

But our side lost, and now do you think the Clinton supporters will finally have the courage to admit they were wrong the entire time?

Even after debates were had, the smears and lies were told, will they apologize for electing Donald Trump? When we were 'accused' of supporting Trump?

Not only do all democrats deserve that apology, the majority of Americans who voted for Clinton may be wishing Clinton supporters got a clue as to what being accountable actually means.

I wait for that apology on behalf of every Sanders supporter who was most reprehensibly and cynically trashed on, but I don't expect to get one, and I don't know if Clinton people will learn anything from what just happened.
 
Democrats across the country have been dragged into the Clinton ditch of scandal, corporatism, and pay to play politics.

In a change year, it was decided that nominating the most establishment and distrusted figure to ever run for President would be a "good" idea.

The same people who apologized for Clinton's flaws in 2008 were ready to do it again, believe their own lies about their candidate, and attempt to shed any and all responsibility for their actions by creating "Safe spaces" - because the politics of identity were more important than having a real discussion, and now it just blew up in their faces.

America knows the facts about Hillary Clinton, after she refused to release her Wall street speech transcripts, smeared her main opponent in the democratic primary, thus alienating millions of true progressives, lied about who killed 4 American in Benghazi, and Clinton's foreign policy moves that resulted in one catastrophe after another, arguably leading to the rise of ISIS.

All of those things may not be what did Hillary in.

It may have been the same thing that has remained true since 2004.

Every single Senator, of both parties, Including John McCain, John Kerry and now Hillary Rodham Clinton have disgraced their parties all because they believed being a follower and not a leader would grant them presidential mojo.

But the American people learn from their mistakes.

Clinton democrats failed to learn from the same mistake, and its cost the democrats for the 2nd time. And don't look to Joe Biden, he voted for Iraq as well.

The vote to Invade Iraq set off a chain of events that propelled Donald Trump to openly slam Jeb Bush and former president George W Bush, effectively capitalizing on what the majority of Americans now know, that it was a huge blunder and that George Bush failed to keep America safe.

Hillary Clinton countered with fear-mongering, in classic neo-con style, but she has the same affliction that ended John Kerry's political career the exact same way.

Clinton, thus void of credibility on foreign policy, was easily outmaneuvered when questions of Russia, Iran and ISIS came up.

Americans knew Clinton's foreign policy positions were not authentic because they mirrored past failed president George W Bush and Trump easily linked Bush and Clinton to a record of failed policies from establishment politicians.

Instead of nomination an un-apologetic progressive who led the fight against George Bush's failed policies, democrats spent 15 months trying to minimize the impacts of Hillary's failed attempts to explain herself on Iraq, on her emails, and her cozy relationship with wall street.

On domestic policy, Hillary was even worse.

Her husband gleefully signed NAFTA. Hillary called TPP the "Gold standard"

Clinton only wanted $12 an hour minimum wage when progressives had already won $15. That is giving up without a fight and Americans want a fighter.

The Clinton's colluded with republicans to dismantle welfare.

Bill Clinton signed DOMA, the most bigoted legislation ever passed in the modern era.

Bill Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Stegall, the biggest de-regulation of the Banks since the great depression.

The Clinton's, and sometimes Obama, have had a history of quickly folding in the face of republican politics and now they get to live with those decisions to not fight the hard battles.

The other half of democrats wanted to have that fight.

But our side lost, and now do you think the Clinton supporters will finally have the courage to admit they were wrong the entire time?

Even after debates were had, the smears and lies were told, will they apologize for electing Donald Trump? When we were 'accused' of supporting Trump?

Not only do all democrats deserve that apology, the majority of Americans who voted for Clinton may be wishing Clinton supporters got a clue as to what being accountable actually means.

I wait for that apology on behalf of every Sanders supporter who was most reprehensibly and cynically trashed on, but I don't expect to get one, and I don't know if Clinton people will learn anything from what just happened.

The amount of arrogance from the DNC, the Media, and the Clinton voters (yes, even the ones on here) since the Primaries has been staggering. They were large, in charge, and nothing was going to get in their way .... until they got a hard does of reality of how things really work in this country last night.

When you spit in the wind, rig the Primaries, push corrupt candidates and completely disregard the Liberal wing of the party ... and then you expect those same voters to shut their mouths, come around, and support you in the General Election ... why are you shocked when it didn't happen and you lost the election because of it?

The Liberal wing of the DNC, not the elite, was responsible for not showing up at the polls yesterday and that was what cost Hillary and the DNC not just the White House, but the entire government as punishment.

Pay for play politics, paid speeches and tens of millions in donations from the Banking Industry, having a different set of standards apply to you because your last name is "Clinton", colluding with the Media to ensure your campaign receives positive coverage and the Sanders campaign received negative or no coverage, rigging the debate schedule so there was the least amount of exposure as possible for anyone not named "Hillary Clinton", having a track record of lying and saying one thing to one group, and something else to another ....

And all of the above parties thought the Sanders voters would ignore all of that, let it go, and vote for her because of what was between her legs and we would all sing Kumbaya together???

Wow. Just wow. What a steep price was paid for this unbelievable degree of arrogance.

Instead of moving forward, the DNC moved backward and felt "politics as usual" would prevail. This is on all of your hands that didn't listen and ignored the Sanders voters. You are directly responsible for what happened last night.
 
As much as you guys are happy about not getting Hillary for the next 4-8 years, say goodbye to some of your rights for a lot longer.
 
As much as you guys are happy about not getting Hillary for the next 4-8 years, say goodbye to some of your rights for a lot longer.

Bernie Bros worked hard to discredit the only remaining candidate who was on their side, in terms of their self-proclaimed values.

It's fairly true though that people who are socially progressive in some respects (gay rights and welfare) can be racist or misogynistic. People are more often motivated by fear and hatred to act than generosity.
 
LOL..you both won...congratulations evan/mystic...

You got your guy....hope he everything you hoped for. ..|
 
Bernie Bros worked hard to discredit the only remaining candidate who was on their side, in terms of their self-proclaimed values.

It's fairly true though that people who are socially progressive in some respects (gay rights and welfare) can be racist or misogynistic. People are more often motivated by fear and hatred to act than generosity.

Fair Elections to us are actually more important than even our values. Nobody likes being told who to vote for. But if you still have not gotten it, we can revisit in 4 more years to see if it sunk in by then.
 
Ill say it 100 times, if Democrats wanted to win this election they should have ran a clean candidate. No Clinton supporter bothered to ask themselves if their candidate could win a general election, they just felt it was their 'turn' because Clinton had lost to Obama.

We knew the whole time Clinton was the weaker candidate, the polls showed that, the fundraising showed that. But no matter how many facts were presented, nobody decided to convict Hillary, because in their minds, she represented what guides so many of her supporters, that taking responsibility for your own actions isnt a virtue but a vice.

Americans didnt see it that way, and the Clintons assisting republicans with NAFTA, DOMA and welfare reform did nothing to help Hillary with the progressive base.

She wouldn't stand up for gay marriage and called TPP the gold standard, she voted for Iraq. Thats not good enough, you cant change your mind about what matters to you or smear progressives and expect to win.

taking money from wall street to smear other democrats isnt a progressive value, wanting perpetual war and fearmongering about Russia to scare Americans isnt a progressive value.

Hillary Clinton is not a progressive, shes a big government neo-conservative pro-corporate opportunist who suggested Bernie wanted to rip apart Obamacare, when he was one of the main authors of the bill, she suggested Bernie had responsibility for sandy hook because he voted against holding firearm retailers responsible for gun violence.

When the DNC was "hacked", Debbie Wasserman Schultz worked with Hillary to demonize the Sanders campaign when it was the DNC's own fault they left their systems vulnerable.

its OK for bernie people to feel betrayed by the democratic party because we were, when the primary undoubtedly helped Clinton secure more votes had there been no contested primary, even though the Clinton campaign did everything they could to diminish democratic voters participation in open primaries by colluding with the media to get states called for Clinton before all voters had their say.

The people at MSNBC and CNN that protected Hillary from Bernie supporters, that protected her from republican attacks, did nothing but create the perception that the system is rigged by democrats against democrats.

it says everything we need to know about Clinton people, that they would immediately point fingers at Bernie supporters instead of Trump, who easily exploited Hillarys deep flaws when she didnt bother to say one nice thing about Bernie in her concessions speech.

Bernie, who never attacked Hillary on her emails, who never made the primary a fight based on personal attacks, and the Clintons showed their gratitude when Bernie defended Hillary's email problem in front of the American people by not hesitating in smearing Sanders anyways. that is who they truly are

That is gratitude for you, and why Clinton deserved to lose this election.
 
What the fuck have you all done?
 
Democrats across the country have been dragged into the Clinton ditch of scandal, corporatism, and pay to play politics.

In a change year, it was decided that nominating the most establishment and distrusted figure to ever run for President would be a "good" idea.

The same people who apologized for Clinton's flaws in 2008 were ready to do it again, believe their own lies about their candidate, and attempt to shed any and all responsibility for their actions by creating "Safe spaces" - because the politics of identity were more important than having a real discussion, and now it just blew up in their faces.

America knows the facts about Hillary Clinton, after she refused to release her Wall street speech transcripts, smeared her main opponent in the democratic primary, thus alienating millions of true progressives, lied about who killed 4 American in Benghazi, and Clinton's foreign policy moves that resulted in one catastrophe after another, arguably leading to the rise of ISIS.

All of those things may not be what did Hillary in.

It may have been the same thing that has remained true since 2004.

Every single Senator, of both parties, Including John McCain, John Kerry and now Hillary Rodham Clinton have disgraced their parties all because they believed being a follower and not a leader would grant them presidential mojo.

But the American people learn from their mistakes.

Clinton democrats failed to learn from the same mistake, and its cost the democrats for the 2nd time. And don't look to Joe Biden, he voted for Iraq as well.

The vote to Invade Iraq set off a chain of events that propelled Donald Trump to openly slam Jeb Bush and former president George W Bush, effectively capitalizing on what the majority of Americans now know, that it was a huge blunder and that George Bush failed to keep America safe.

Hillary Clinton countered with fear-mongering, in classic neo-con style, but she has the same affliction that ended John Kerry's political career the exact same way.

Clinton, thus void of credibility on foreign policy, was easily outmaneuvered when questions of Russia, Iran and ISIS came up.

Americans knew Clinton's foreign policy positions were not authentic because they mirrored past failed president George W Bush and Trump easily linked Bush and Clinton to a record of failed policies from establishment politicians.

Instead of nomination an un-apologetic progressive who led the fight against George Bush's failed policies, democrats spent 15 months trying to minimize the impacts of Hillary's failed attempts to explain herself on Iraq, on her emails, and her cozy relationship with wall street.

On domestic policy, Hillary was even worse.

Her husband gleefully signed NAFTA. Hillary called TPP the "Gold standard"

Clinton only wanted $12 an hour minimum wage when progressives had already won $15. That is giving up without a fight and Americans want a fighter.

The Clinton's colluded with republicans to dismantle welfare.

Bill Clinton signed DOMA, the most bigoted legislation ever passed in the modern era.

Bill Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Stegall, the biggest de-regulation of the Banks since the great depression.

The Clinton's, and sometimes Obama, have had a history of quickly folding in the face of republican politics and now they get to live with those decisions to not fight the hard battles.

The other half of democrats wanted to have that fight.

But our side lost, and now do you think the Clinton supporters will finally have the courage to admit they were wrong the entire time?

Even after debates were had, the smears and lies were told, will they apologize for electing Donald Trump? When we were 'accused' of supporting Trump?

Not only do all democrats deserve that apology, the majority of Americans who voted for Clinton may be wishing Clinton supporters got a clue as to what being accountable actually means.

I wait for that apology on behalf of every Sanders supporter who was most reprehensibly and cynically trashed on, but I don't expect to get one, and I don't know if Clinton people will learn anything from what just happened.

Bernie bros who withheld their votes for Hillary can go fuck themselves.

Seriously.
 
i see the entitlement attitude that hillary clinton is entitled to votes has no bounds or shame, even in the face of a remarkable collapse. thats about as shameless as a drug addict.
 
I think many claimed Hillary simply because she could've been the first woman president. Big deal. Should a president be elected just because of their genitalia? Nooooooooo.
 
Bernie bros who withheld their votes for Hillary can go fuck themselves.

Seriously.

You can, as well, sir. I did exercise that option and wrote in Bernie Sanders' name. Don't get your skirt all in a tussle, I was in safe Clinton state and that was my way of responding to a corrupt candidate who orchestrated a corrupt Primary season. But obviously, I was not alone.

Want Democratic candidates? Run fair elections and don't collude with the media, rig debate schedules, violate campaign finance laws, etc. to shove a selected nominee down our throats.

Not hard and pretty basic. But as you can see, imperative.

Respect democracy. That's all we asked for. But the Clinton campaign couldn't do that and felt entitled. So we responded.
 
I think many claimed Hillary simply because she could've been the first woman president. Big deal. Should a president be elected just because of their genitalia? Nooooooooo.

Been having that debate for a long time on here. The gals on here seem to think that genitalia warrants extra consideration, though. Must be a way to get back at those evil straight men as I guess voting for someone with a vagina is as close to a Gay man (in their mind) as someone is going to get for now.
 
I think many claimed Hillary simply because she could've been the first woman president. Big deal. Should a president be elected just because of their genitalia? Nooooooooo.

Her failings were much ado about nothing.
Heck, the people voted for a bankrupted casino owner who's facing court for fraud and sexual assault.

If her emails counted against her... then why didn't his?
 
Hillary, her supporters, including the DNC will never get it. They will never get it's "not me, it's us" because for them it is all about the me. For them it is about themselves and Hillary.
 
Hillary, her supporters, including the DNC will never get it. They will never get it's "not me, it's us" because for them it is all about the me. For them it is about themselves and Hillary.

Bingo. They live in a bubble and that is what is being said in commentaries I am seeing around the web today. The DNC elite, the Media and pundits, the Clintons, their supporters ... they live in a bubble and still continue to live in a bubble and don't get it. They wanted a coronation and essentially got their way in the Primaries through cheating and rigging. And they thought they were going to get away with it. They didn't and got put in their place in a hard way.

It's very easy to fix this next time. Listen to the voters who supported Bernie Sanders as it should be painfully evident by now (even though they tried to tell the Clinton voters during the Primaries and nobody wanted to listen), there is no such thing as party loyalty with them if you cross them and try to silence them. I don't think anyone appreciates their Democracy being taken away from them or cheating through an unfair playing field. I am sure if Sanders was the one colluding with the Media and the DNC and Clinton was the lesser-known candidate while Wasserman-Schultz rigged the debate for Sanders benefit (assuming he was more of a household name), I am sure the Clinton voters would be outraged and would justifiably be in a position to take it out in the General Election.

But again, it is that bubble they live in. All about what Hillary Clinton wants and about Hillary herself. The Bernie voters were about the people and the Middle Class ... not just nice little soundbytes that were stolen from Sanders' speeches to make Hillary sound like she was all of a sudden for the Middle Class.

Don't vote for Establishment Candidates in the future and the DNC needs to let Democracy work instead of selecting candidates for the people. Pretty basic.
 
Legit question... What happens to all the bribe money the Clinton Foundation took in? Should they return it? :lol:
 
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