The Dalai Lama is Not Gay-Friendly

[metta]

The Dalai Lama is Not Gay-Friendly

http://nihilobstat.info/2009/08/10/the-dalai-lama-is-not-gay-friendly/

 

[davy]

interesting, isn't it?

here's something else interesting: he's good friends with bishop desmond tutu of the episcopal church in south africa.

tutu is pro gay; even though his religion is anti-gay.

the lama's religion is gay neutral; but he's still anti gay.

 

[davy]

He's not anti-gay at all. He's anti the sex act because of his belief. Is that all gay is? A cock up the arse?

He's also against hetro oral sex, I notice that didn't get much airplay.

he just needs to give it a try.

i was anti-oral too ... until i gave it a try myself.

(no, not really, i was just making that part up).

 

[Gamby6]

I don't know why he talked intimacy in such detail cuz buddhism, at least the sect I was born in, doesn't mention much about it. As long as what you do doesn't violate others and make their lives miserable, you are fine. It doesn't tell layman where to poke and where not to. Of course, except in the book of rules for monks where it needs to lay out rules clearly because those monks in the past had found their way to entertain themselves somehow.

 

[SilverWolf]

“A Western friend asked me what harm there could be between consenting adults having oral sex, if they enjoyed it,” the Dalai Lama continued, warming to his theme. “But the purpose of sex is reproduction, according to Buddhism. The other holes don’t create life. I don’t mind – but I can’t condone this way of life.”

In the same interview, he specifically said he was “for” (heterosexual) sex with condoms or the pill. That is, it’s fine for heterosexuals to have non-procreative, recreational sex–as long as it doesn’t involve foreplay with other areas of the body.

Hmm... Having gay sex and oral sex is wrong because the purpose of sex is to create life, but its OK for straight couples to use birth control.

 

[pasacon]

I don't know why whenever a Buddhist perspective is wanted they always look to the Dalai Lama, when he is merely the leader of a specific sect of Buddhists. I don't see Newspapers only interviewing the Pope when they want a total view of the Christian perspective.

 

[CaptainJohn]

From the article---

When respected lesbian educator and Claremont College professor Lourdes Arguelles asked the Dalai Lama when and where the Buddha gave teachings on inappropriate organs to use during sex, the Dalai Lama honestly replied, “I don’t know.”

--- Obviously he was expressing his own opinions and trying to make them sound like Buddhist teachings. Is there a Buddhist rule about talking out of the wrong holes?

 

[Gamby6]

From the article---

When respected lesbian educator and Claremont College professor Lourdes Arguelles asked the Dalai Lama when and where the Buddha gave teachings on inappropriate organs to use during sex, the Dalai Lama honestly replied, “I don’t know.”

--- Obviously he was expressing his own opinions and trying to make them sound like Buddhist teachings. Is there a Buddhist rule about talking out of the wrong holes?

That's exactly my thought. I think he was speaking out from his prejudice and draw conclusion to suit his opinion.

 

[pasacon]

A quick search on the subject of "sensual misconduct" brought me to understand that sensual misconduct according to the teachings of Buddha is having sex in such a way that harms one, the other, or both (society as a whole) such as rape, having sex with someone who is married or promised to another, or having sex with someone who is under the protection/guardianship of one's parents, family, community, government. (young and still living with their parents, or someone who has a caretaker, or someone in general who is otherwise dependent on another for living.) In other words it's all fine if it's consensual, as long as it's not with someone married or engaged, as long as both involved are independent people.

Nothing about sticking it in the mouth or the pooper.

And while being celibate is ideal, layman are not required to observe such a standard unless they decide to take the next step towards enlightenment by observing the more stringent rules as the higher monastic order does.

 

[sabot3ur]

I do not care.

besides, why are all these dudes who don't even have sex always hating on us? why does anyone go to them of all people for sexual advice or validation

 

[jizzeater]

I don't know why people look to spiritual authorities of any kind.

We're all spiritual beings. Look inside yourself. Does oral or anal sex feel wrong to you? Then why let anyone tell you otherwise?

 

[KTheLibra]

I don't know why people look to spiritual authorities of any kind.

We're all spiritual beings. Look inside yourself. Does oral or anal sex feel wrong to you? Then why let anyone tell you otherwise?

You know what, you are exactly right, and every time I've ever said that aloud, I've been treated as though I were an escaped mental patient. The truth is, people are too weak to find anything in themselves to guide them; they'd rather look for it in invisible men in the sky.

 

[SpikeSpiegel]

Maybe the words of the translator Edward Conze in his Buddhist Scriptures, published by Penguin books

"By those that one should not go into, first all men are meant."

"Go into" is penetrate as in a sexual act.


I recall reading online that early western encounters with Tibetan buddhism was less than favourable, in that the theocratic state was incredibly cruel with its inhabitants, such as (http:// en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Tibet_controversy) amputations for theft etc..

What we see from the modern Dalai Llama is the product of PR and perhaps schooling in America about human rights etc. He was asked about the shameful abuses under his reign in Tibet, and he doesn't deny them. I'm a bit of a sceptic when people embrace Buddhism as gay-friendly. Sex is considered as a route into illusion, self deception, and perhaps an obstacle to enlightenment, as desire is the root of unhappiness, one of the underlying philosopies of buddhism. If you like your sex, you're never going to become enlightened, and in that way, Budhhism is kinda like a dead end.

 

[thisisinteresting]

Gosh religion is just lovely.

 

[hotb0d]

any kind of sex is wrong in buddhist teaching.

 

[sabot3ur]

any kind of sex is wrong in buddhist teaching.

not for everyone. buddhism does not mandate extinction haha

 

[hotb0d]

not for everyone. buddhism does not mandate extinction haha

I guess you're right. I forgot that just like any type of religions, there are two faces to a religion. The philosophical (the true aspect) part of that religion and the folks religion version of it.

True buddhists are those who detached themselves from all desires and becomes a seeker. And of course according to them, all forms of sex are wrong. While those who call themselves buddhists but aren't really following the true teaching, well they have exceptions and answers for everything. Boo!

 

[BearBoi]

The Dalai Lama opposes any form of non-reproductive sex. The religion itself is actually gay-neutral. He has been asked if he could provide an anti-gay reference from Buddhist teachings, and he honestly replied that he could not.

 

[sabot3ur]

I'm just tryna attain enlightenment, can't I get laid at the same time?

you can be a buddhist and not be perfect. it's not like there's a hell or anything they have to fear, just don't be a terrible person and you won't be reincarnated as a fly or something. true buddhists don't always have to be celibate. and from what I've learned buddhism doesn't really teach things as wrong, they just support a view of how some things can negatively affect you or others.

 

[StationToStation]

dude who cares