The Death List 2024

[belamyi]

Roberto Cavalli and Santiago Dexeus have left the building... the non-Anglo backside: the last one doesn't even have a wikipage in English on him, because in vitro fertilisation and artificial insemination pioneering in 1984 is, truly, not such a big deal. And the other one is just typical itackyan.

Roberto Cavalli - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Santiago Dexeus - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

es.wikipedia.org

 

[unloadonme]

Roberto Cavalli, fashion designer, at 83.

Roberto Cavalli: Italian fashion designer dies aged 83

The designer, famed for his animal prints on leather and textiles, died at home in Florence.

www.bbc.co.uk

Roberto Cavalli - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rareboy]

I do. And Keith Richards, Michael Douglas, Bruce Willis, Danny Bonaduce, and Charlie Sheen.

Keith Richards, Michael Douglas, Bruce Willis, Danny Bonaduce, and Charlie Sheen.

We will hope they survive.

 

[belamyi]

What about this site.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Robert MacNeil has passed, notable and admired news anchor for the PBS series, Newshour. He was a credit to his profession, and to Canada.

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/12/1244469769/robert-macneil-dead-pbs-newshour

"We don't need to SELL the news," MacNeil told the Chicago Tribune in 1983. "The networks hype the news to make it seem vital, important. What's missing (in 22 minutes) is context, sometimes balance, and a consideration of questions that are raised by certain events."

Would that his vision endured.

 

[belamyi]

Robert MacNeil has passed, notable and admired news anchor for the PBS series, Newshour. He was a credit to his profession, and to Canada.

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/12/1244469769/robert-macneil-dead-pbs-newshour

"We don't need to SELL the news," MacNeil told the Chicago Tribune in 1983. "The networks hype the news to make it seem vital, important. What's missing (in 22 minutes) is context, sometimes balance, and a consideration of questions that are raised by certain events."

Would that his vision endured.

He was doing nothing in the world of fake news, Musk media and wholesale news in bulk, poor man.
Though his business always run in the direction of the current stte of affairs: you can't speak to the mass and expect NOT to end up SELLING to them.

'Visions' are for the saints, not for the mass of sinners.

 

[NotHardUp1]

He was doing nothing in the world of fake news, Musk media and wholesale news in bulk, poor man.
Though his business always run in the direction of the current stte of affairs: you can't speak to the mass and expect NOT to end up SELLING to them.

'Visions' are for the saints, not for the mass of sinners.

To your point, the show and the network (PBS) increasingly pandered to the political and social left, particularly in news programming, while preening about being neutral, fair, and complete. The news show he created is barely recognizable in comparison to what he and Lehrer built.

And yes, sell is the word.

I cannot agree about vision, as some of the best moments in life are spent in the appreciation of the vision of others, whether scientists, artists, writers, explorers, or even emperors. When we vicariously see what they so often see ahead of time, we in small part are encouraged to listen to our own muse(s). But, I do agree on the masses. Give them the forum, the gladiators, and the beer halls, and all is right in the world.

In fairness to his quotation, he would not need to sell the news if the competition had not begun to lower the bar, drawing the all-important ratings. ABC has been the worst offender of all, making much of its programs little more than product placement and gasps.

 

[belamyi]

I cannot agree about vision, as some of the best moments in life are spent in the appreciation of the vision of others, whether scientists, artists, writers, explorers, or even emperors. When we vicariously see what they so often see ahead of time, we in small part are encouraged to listen to our own muse(s).

What I called 'saints'. And one can not be vicariously a saint: you either are one or are not; otherwise, you just set yourself in a box seat and pretend you are above the mass audience and vicariously in the singer role.

 

[NotHardUp1]

What I called 'saints'. And one can not be vicariously a saint: you either are one or are not; otherwise, you just set yourself in a box seat and pretend you are above the mass audience and vicariously in the singer role.

In your case, perhaps you cannot, but for the rest of the world, that is the very definition of a voluntary audience.

And, yes. There have been innumerable audience members inspired to go on to become great themselves. Observing greatness can inspire greatness.

Einstein correctly stated that we can only realize or see that which we believe is possible. His comment on scientific conception would just as well apply to the plebes. Without seeing greatness, too many have no idea what can be accomplished.

To be clear, the greatness was always innate, but enabling it is what occurs through inspiration.

 

[belamyi]

In your case, perhaps you cannot, but for the rest of the world, that is the very definition of a voluntary audience.

And, yes. There have been innumerable audience members inspired to go on to become great themselves. Observing greatness can inspire greatness.

Einstein correctly stated that we can only realize or see that which we believe is possible. His comment on scientific conception would just as well apply to the plebes. Without seeing greatness, too many have no idea what can be accomplished.

To be clear, the greatness was always innate, but enabling it is what occurs through inspiration.

Trump may be considered great and "inspire" to achieve his same degree of "greatness". The same with any sort of act that involves putting oneself above a mass of helpless... Some may consider empires and power, "great", others pure baseness. One might be "inspired" by a "masterpiece" to produce the worst crap ever, or be inspired by a bombing to produce the Guernica, or take inspiration from mediocre or rather poor work to produce a "masterpiece".

What Einstein ultimately, really meant with that is that we can only conceive whatever "speaks our own language", that is, whatever makes sense to us: I will continue to refer to Wittgenstein's lion.

I any case, whatever Einstein, you or myself might say is not "correct" or "incorrect" because, as the more fundamental trite statement states, in though, philosophy, science... there is not definite knowledge and right answers, but continuous flow of questions (some add "right" to the "questions", but that would be "wrong", right? ).

 

[Alistair]

All aboard the belamyi derail train ! Toot toot!

 

[belamyi]

Beware the Ali rock on the rails! Wooooeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuu!

So was it a derail when I merely commented, like when others have done the same, or only when I engaged in a continued exchange with another JUBbite who had commented on my comment?.. I see, maybe I provoked that others derail, not actually didi myself... just like now with you?

 

[pornoboy]

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Faith Ringgold Dies at 93​

A champion of Black artists, she explored themes of race, gender,
class, family and community through a vast array of media and the written word.

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[unloadonme]

Derek Underwood MBE, Kent and England cricketer, at 78.

Derek Underwood obituary

Leading bowler for England whose consistently accurate left-arm spin made the most of any assistance from the pitch

www.theguardian.com

Derek Underwood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[scrapple57]

Just three observations:

How long can someone go on after going to hospice care? Jimmy Carter is putting Valerie Harper to shame.

Keith Richards will never die.

Odd that no porn stars (other than the grotesque Ron Jeremy) have been mentioned.

My personal choices: Lee Trevino, Shannen Doherty, Gale Gordon and Jerry Mathers.

 

[smokeshadow]

Dickey Betts, co-founder of the Allman Brothers Band has passed

Dickey Betts, cofounder of the Allman Brothers, dies at 80

Betts' guitar was a key piece of the band's unique sound, which pioneered Southern rock.

www.yahoo.com

 

[smokeshadow]

sorry for the double post

 

[NotHardUp1]

How long can someone go on after going to hospice care? Jimmy Carter is putting Valerie Harper to shame.

Hospice care isn't a prognosis of imminent death, but of terminal illness being relegated to palliative care. The focus shifts from combating the illness to giving the dying person the greatest comfort and care. In many cases, it simply means returning home to get away from the hospital, and stopping painful and dramatic treatments like radiation therapy, chemotherapy, or ongoing surgeries.

Carter's prognosis may well have been only a couple of months and he has lingered despite it. He certainly looked like death warmed over at his wife's funeral.

My former landlady lived to be over 100. She was living mostly independently for her last five decades, and only had to go into convalescent care her last couple of years until her death at 102. I remember her daughter telling me she thought her mother had a breast cancer that she saw once when her mother was in her 80's, but that it went untreated. The daughter attributed it to slow metabolism at extreme age. Of course, it's just as possibly that the tumor was benign.

Odd that no porn stars (other than the grotesque Ron Jeremy) have been mentioned.

Maybe none in this year's thread but I remember seeing postings of porn stars dying in threads on JUB before.

Although, there is also the point that porn actors use pseudonyms and the death of the real person may not be published in any place that we'd ever see and recognize it. Add to that the short stage life of a porn actor, and they have faded from view decades ahead of their death, so the generation who knew them by name is also long in the tooth.

Most porn actor deaths we hear reported are premature, murders or drug abuse.

 

[smokeshadow]

^^any death of someone in their 20's to 40's could be considered premature, maybe even someone in their 60's. I'm guessing that you are remembering porn model Alex Riley or Jasper Robinson, who were in their mid to late 20's when they passed of natural causes

 

[NotHardUp1]

^^any death of someone in their 20's to 40's could be considered premature, maybe even someone in their 60's. I'm guessing that you are remembering porn model Alex Riley or Jasper Robinson, who were in their mid to late 20's when they passed of natural causes

Oh, there are many porn actors who have died young, but most don't have any cult following nor could they be considered to be nationally known.