The Falklands: An Obama Betrayal?

[Kulindahr]

A great deal of the oil is actually in a zone that's disputed... one that's more in international waters. It's not British oil.

That's a simple enough issue to deal with: draw the geographical equivalent of an equidistant curve, dividing the Argentine coast from the Falklands. Argentina gets what's on one side, the Falklands get what's on the other.

 

[Kulindahr]

Sorry, but that's just rhetoric and I will not entertain such rhetoric. Have a nice day. Nobody is trying to steal anything.

I just defined her rhetoric. She doesn't believe the Falklands belong to the people of the Falklands -- that's what disputing the sovereignty means. She wants to take their land from them contrary to their will -- that's what all her rabble-rousing with the issue is about.

She didn't say she wants to talk about the oil, she didn't say she wants to negotiate working together to explore resources, she challenged the sovereignty of the people of the Falklands. That means she doesn't think they have any business deciding their own fate (which they've already done). She announced this also by her actions in addressing Great Britain instead of the people whose home the Falklands are -- that dismisses them as having any role at all, reducing them to mere pieces on the game table for two nations to argue over.

She needs to shut her mouth about sovereignty. The Falklands belong to the people of the Falklands. Knowing that Argentina was a threat, they chose to have Great Britain remain as their protector. She's acting as though GB is their owner, and she wants the title.

 

[JB3]

She's an egomaniac. She just nationalized a foreign company:

Argentina seizes gas firm owned by Repsol - Yahoo! News Canada

 

[Kulindahr]

She's an egomaniac. She just nationalized a foreign company:

Argentina seizes gas firm owned by Repsol - Yahoo! News Canada

It would serve her right if they had explosives built into all the facilities, and they gave her three days to turn herself in an return the stolen goods but she refused, they just blew it all up.

I would. She's now earned that epithet: she's not just a bitch, she's a thieving bitch.

In support of Spain, the EU should seize enough Argentine assets in banks to pay for the stolen company.

 

[JB3]

It would serve her right if they had explosives built into all the facilities, and they gave her three days to turn herself in an return the stolen goods but she refused, they just blew it all up.

I would. She's now earned that epithet: she's not just a bitch, she's a thieving bitch.

In support of Spain, the EU should seize enough Argentine assets in banks to pay for the stolen company.

I don't think she realizes yet what she's stepped in. The EU is not going to take it lightly.

 

[medic1]

Wow... Just Wow. Talk about bias showing through and quite easily.

Obama is staying neutral because we are Allies with BOTH countries. The UK is a big boy and can take of itself.

To the comment about the UK losing troops fighting Al Qaeda I will offer this: As soon as Argentinians start detonating themselves in the tube we will help you fight the terrorist. I always wonder why Europe thinks fighting the terrorist is our sole quest. They were running away from suspicious packages DECADES before we were attacked at home. I digress.

The next great growth economically on earth is going to come from the third world. As long as we solve the power deficit. Those rising economies are a gold mine of many different types so becoming an enemy or distancing ones country from South America is foolish at least and economic suicide at worst.

We work in one another intelligence agencies... I mean honestly do you think we are not ALWAYS helping one another?

Buddy and yes that was sarcastic , for 30 read them 30yrs we were being bombed by the terrorists in Ireland .
By that i mean proper , powerfull bombs , ones large enough to murder 17Paratroopers ,on the same day that they murdered
Lord Mountbatten of Burma , a genuine 2nd war-hero ,who they blew up and killed in a supposedly neutral Country .

Oh and please dont forget 9/11 when on that murderous day our National Leader , dropped or cancelled everything to
fly to The States , so that he could stand by the side by side with the President and visually show support ,not send
a fucking ********.

As for needing your herioc coffee-making skills , when the IRA started bombing London , it lasted a few days along with
the Muslim Atrocities , wanna know why Mr American Hero we have the best soldiers in the World , Special Air Service
Special boat service ,The ROYAL Marines The Paras the Ghurkas (heard of them) ,yep you have your Seals , based on the
Special boat service , and your Rangers and pathfinders .

Who are all brave men and women .
As for your covert-op,s TEN fucking years to find and execute Osama-bin-Laden , who was fucking living in a compound ,km`s
from one of your allies main training acadamies . (HMM) and thanks two sugars in mine .

 

[JB3]

Buddy and yes that was sarcastic , for 30 read them 30yrs we were being bombed by the terrorists in Ireland .
By that i mean proper , powerfull bombs , ones large enough to murder 17Paratroopers ,on the same day that they murdered
Lord Mountbatten of Burma , a genuine 2nd war-hero ,who they blew up and killed in a supposedly neutral Country .

Oh and please dont forget 9/11 when on that murderous day our National Leader , dropped or cancelled everything to
fly to The States , so that he could stand by the side by side with the President and visually show support ,not send
a fucking ********.

As for needing your herioc coffee-making skills , when the IRA started bombing London , it lasted a few days along with
the Muslim Atrocities , wanna know why Mr American Hero we have the best soldiers in the World , Special Air Service
Special boat service ,The ROYAL Marines The Paras the Ghurkas (heard of them) ,yep you have your Seals , based on the
Special boat service , and your Rangers and pathfinders .

Who are all brave men and women .
As for your covert-op,s TEN fucking years to find and execute Osama-bin-Laden , who was fucking living in a compound ,km`s
from one of your allies main training acadamies . (HMM) and thanks two sugars in mine .

In english please.

 

[medic1]

In English there is nothing worse than thinking Semper-Fi all the time , i mean after ten
Years America at the most crucial moment crashes a special forces helicopter i assume flown by a special forces pilot ?
Thank God they were all ok . ENGLISH ENOUGH FOR YOU ??

 

[Kulindahr]

A thieving bitch for claiming resources that belong to Argentina? Yes, she's a thief right? LMAO. I'm from Spain but I get what she did. And I support it. Spain's stupid conservative reactionary government should keep its mouth shut and deal with the problems in Spain.

That company does not belong to Argentina.

It would be just if Spain seized all Argentinian assets in the country and the EU did the same.

 

[bankside]

A thieving bitch for claiming resources that belong to Argentina? Yes, she's a thief right? LMAO. I'm from Spain but I get what she did. And I support it. Spain's stupid conservative reactionary government should keep its mouth shut and deal with the problems in Spain.

And maybe multi-national companies should mind their own business and RESPECT the country more when doing business. We all see what oil companies have done to Ecuador and Nigeria... Repsol are nothing more then a bunch of crooks who do nothing to help the people it robs. Not even in Spain do we see benefit from them.

Why do the resources of Argentina belong to Repsol? People in the country are feeling no benefit from their presence. And Chile nationalized its copper industry... and kept it nationalized even under the military junta... so what's the deal here?

Governments can buy companies if they want to, but you can't buy a company that isn't for sale; that would be theft.


You can tax it though!

 

[JayHawk]

Buddy and yes that was sarcastic , for 30 read them 30yrs we were being bombed by the terrorists in Ireland .
By that i mean proper , powerfull bombs , ones large enough to murder 17Paratroopers ,on the same day that they murdered
Lord Mountbatten of Burma , a genuine 2nd war-hero ,who they blew up and killed in a supposedly neutral Country .

Oh and please dont forget 9/11 when on that murderous day our National Leader , dropped or cancelled everything to
fly to The States , so that he could stand by the side by side with the President and visually show support ,not send
a fucking ********.

As for needing your herioc coffee-making skills , when the IRA started bombing London , it lasted a few days along with
the Muslim Atrocities , wanna know why Mr American Hero we have the best soldiers in the World , Special Air Service
Special boat service ,The ROYAL Marines The Paras the Ghurkas (heard of them) ,yep you have your Seals , based on the
Special boat service , and your Rangers and pathfinders .

Who are all brave men and women .
As for your covert-op,s TEN fucking years to find and execute Osama-bin-Laden , who was fucking living in a compound ,km`s
from one of your allies main training acadamies . (HMM) and thanks two sugars in mine .

EDIT: I am taking my own advice and ignoring ignorance.

 

[JayHawk]

In English there is nothing worse than thinking Semper-Fi all the time , i mean after ten
Years America at the most crucial moment crashes a special forces helicopter i assume flown by a special forces pilot ?
Thank God they were all ok . ENGLISH ENOUGH FOR YOU ??

EDIT: I am taking my own advice and ignoring ignorance. Have a wonderful day Medic.

 

[medic1]

Thank-you for your post jayhawk ,very polite but full of faeces , oh just one question ?
Where in my posts did i show ignorance ?

Am sure i can remember seeing a crash and the look of Hilary Clinton`s face ?
Am almost pretty sure that our Prime-Minister was the only other Leader to cancell everything
and fly to the USA to offer support at the Memorial as allies do and stand by your President ?

If any of these happen not to be true , then please correct me , you to have a wonderfull
if somewhat confused day jayhawk .

 

[JayHawk]

You blame your loss on America instead of Honoring his decision and his life by standing by his choice. Unless of course the American government flew to where ever and held a gun to his head.

Yes the UK and the US enjoy an amazing kinship and are the epitome of allied cooperation. Yet it would seem as they were in Afghanistan and right next to Pakistan WITH us. Yet Osama not being found just next door is entirely our fault.

Your eyes are jaundiced and it makes whatever you post irrelevant.

Just look in a thread about the Falklands and their chosen allegiance to the UK you can't talk about the Falklands or the process involved. Just piss and moan about irrelevant actions as it pertains to the current conversation. So yes i will have a nice day. I certainly hope you figure out how to have a nice day unfettered by your personal hate and disappointment.

 

[Benvolio]

It has been suggested that Argentina is an ally of the US. When? In what sense ? They have never liked us and even during WWII they were nominally neutral until shortly until the end, then they harbored Nazis after the war.

 

[medic1]

You blame your loss on America instead of Honoring his decision and his life by standing by his choice. Unless of course the American government flew to where ever and held a gun to his head.

Yes the UK and the US enjoy an amazing kinship and are the epitome of allied cooperation. Yet it would seem as they were in Afghanistan and right next to Pakistan WITH us. Yet Osama not being found just next door is entirely our fault.

Your eyes are jaundiced and it makes whatever you post irrelevant.

Just look in a thread about the Falklands and their chosen allegiance to the UK you can't talk about the Falklands or the process involved. Just piss and moan about irrelevant actions as it pertains to the current conversation. So yes i will have a nice day. I certainly hope you figure out how to have a nice day unfettered by your personal hate and disappointment.

Jayhawk ,thank you for the post and a bit of an eye-opener ,though i have never pissed and moaned about the Falklands , Yes getting your soulmate killed in Afghanistan , does fill you with hate , but not disappoinment just grief which even after 2 yrs i find hard to handle .

As for America and Britain i think our special-bond is astounding and gladdens my heart .
I honour my lovers memory and bravery everyday , so i would like an apology for that barb .
Erik used to say that they were all brothers and proud of it .

He loved serving his country ,and especialy on exercise with jarheads with which he had a
special affinity.

People grief and try and get on as best they can ,this for me can sometimes be hard , when on a busy night you can deal with up to 10 Deaths . Perhaps if you loked at your perspective then mine , we can stop this stupid argument. I am proud of our special relationship with the
USA and i certainly hold no malice to another brave soldier , Take care.

 

[Benvolio]

Well said medici1. Britain is our ally and we theirs. Argentina is not. BO has a bizarre third prejudice against both our countries, but he does not reflect the opinion of the American people. Even his supporters feel constrained to deny his prejudice.

 

[Benvolio]

Barack Obama does not have a prejudice against both countries. Please. He is fully an ally with Great Britain. But this should not prevent interaction with Argentina's government in diplomacy. What prejudice? Republicans have extreme prejudice against many poor Americans wanting to send this country into another depression.

You tit for tat really doesn't work, does it?
I didn't say we should not have friendly diplomacy with Argentina, just that they are not an ally.

 

[Kulindahr]

They are an ally... they have been for some time. And your arguments haven't been working well either.

Argentina was given the designation "Major Non-NATO Ally" under Bill Clinton, so yes, they're an ally.

 

[Benvolio]

They are an ally... they have been for some time. And your arguments haven't been working well either.

In what sense are they an ally? Do they have mutual assistance military treaty with us? Have they ever joined us in a military action? Of course not. Look up the definition of ally.