The Homeless

[Kulindahr]

Your reading comprehension isn't impressing me.

I am both shocked and appalled by the nature of this reasoning. You seem to be implying that covertly coercing someone into engaging in a sexual practice, in which they might not be willing to participate were their situation different by masking it as an act of charity, is justifiable because there is a certain degree of reciprocity.

There's nothing "covert" about it. Anyone who's been on the streets more than two days knows that if a stranger says "Come home with me", odds are it's a sexual venture. Such a thing starts with knowledge, and when there's knowledge, it isn't covert. If they're not willing, they don't have to go -- no one's gagging and bagging them.
And it isn't being "masked... as charity", it's being stated as the invitation it is -- with that implied understanding I mentioned above.

Taking advantage of another human being's desperation and the anguish caused by their utter and complete social alienation is despicable and shameful: there's no other way to describe it. These people may very well be grateful for the opportunity that they are being given to have a small window into normalcy, but that doesn't mean that no one is forcing them to trade their dignity for the possibility to simulate having an ordinary life that lies beyond their possibilities.

The "utter and complete social alienation" is a phenomenon from the side of those who deal with them; it is not inherent to their situation or their being. You imply that they're somehow outcasts because of what they are, which smacks of a victim syndrome, the belief that some people are just victims practically inherently.
And, yes, when someone offers us a shower and a warm bed, we're grateful for that charity. It isn't your oh-so-condescending "small window into normalcy"; we on the streets see normalcy quite a lot, as we migrate during the day so we don't get cited for vagrancy or trespassing, seeing the sights and sounds of (generally) a big city; we even cruise malls and go to the occasional movie for a place to sit for a while and est.
When a stranger comes and offers a night of "normalcy", it generally isn't normalcy, but above and beyond; most people who make that offer, in my experience, are well above median economic status. There's no "force" involved, any more than there is in a Madison Avenue ad campaign -- just an implied arrangement understood by both sides from the beginning. Accepting is less compromising to our dignity than the risks of another night without adequate shelter, where falling asleep is handing one's life over to anyone who passes by. Thank God I never actually had to sleep on the pavement: others got peed on, or woke up to excrement or food scraps at their feet -- or head. And as the news shows, every now and then one of us doesn't wake up.

Were this a civilized society, I'd challenge you -- to a duel, that is -- for the low, arrogant, vilely insulting "ordinary life that lies beyond their possibilities" statement at the end. You make us sound like degenerate throw-backs of the race, deficient in character, intelligence, will, talent, imagination. Yes, there are barriers, but they're not what your condescending words imply.

Simply put, what the original poster described is equivalent to blackmail and rape - an implied agreement that causes people to do things that lie beyond their desires or inclinations, just because they must surely feel emotionally indebted to the individual that is giving them a morsel of charity. The fact that their situation is extreme and they might be anxious for any form of human contact doesn't validate the contractual nature of this repulsive arrangement; the fact that one of the parties is forced to agree out of necessity, doesn't make this any less of an abuse.

"Blackmail" means there's a threat held over someone's head. There's not much that can be held as a threat to is when we're homeless; there's not much left to lose except our lives, which often -- thanks to the rude and haughty attitudes such as you expressed above -- don't seem worth much. I can remember nights when I would have accepted an offer of meal, movie, bath, laundry, and warm bed, even if I knew ahead of time that odds were I'd never wake up again.
And "rape" requires coercion, which I dealt with above. Consider that many homeless carry a weapon of some sort -- I relied on a .357 magnum at night; others stuck with knitting needles or shanks of various sorts. Remember the dangers other posts pointed out.
"Extreme" is a relative word. When you've been living in an apartment with rotting walls, sinks that don't drain right, a shower that barely dribbles, no insulation, without enough money for heat or food, the drop to homeless is a very short one... and may even seem an improvement.
You really don't know what you're talking about, dude! Homeless, we have all day for human contact -- at a mall, at a city park, at a fountain, all sorts of places where people gather. There are regular stops to be made for empty cans to return for deposit, pick up scraps at a restaurant, sing with a street musician, or at the very least confer with other homeless over where there might be something free that would make life on the street easier.
So there isn't any "force" deriving from lack of human contact or companionship, and no necessity whatsoever. I think you have a really strange view of being homeless -- which is, BTW, fairly often a choice (not always for the best of reasons, but still a choice).

Thus, comparing this situation to those in which people might have the opportunity to choose to decline the other party's invitation is, in my opinion, unfair and amoral. Anyone can find ways to justify even the most disgusting of actions, and yet that doesn't make such actions acceptable.

Such an encounter is indeed an opportunity -- it's an opportunity to choose: do I take the pleasant night at the implied cost, or not? is this offer without strings, or not? am I going to be kidnapped and sold into a slave operation, or not?
And if fear, or assessment of negatives, outweighs the proffered benefits, I decline... assertively, maybe forcefully if necessary.
Such an invitation is generally welcome, if for no other reason than a change in routine. For youth on the streets, it isn't as tempting as for those over 20; most large cities now have centers where youth can shower, do laundry, score snacks, watch TV, chill with others, even do email. Without those pressures, your imagined "blackmail" suddenly sounds foolish!

Anyone can sit back and condemn, and make pompous pronouncements from a definite distance away. Yet that doesn't make such pronouncements valid -- or even acceptable.

You may have noticed I talked in the first person about the homeless. That's because, as you should have noticed in my post you quoted, I spent some time on the streets, even though most of it I did have a truck canopy over my head -- but I never quite knew where my next meal would be from, or when I'd have clean clothes again. I know the pressures, and the options.

I'm willing to bet you've never even really spoken to a homeless person.
I'm guessing you've never done much for one, either. Handing out some change, or a few dollars, doesn't count, either; I mean at the very least taking the person to an actual restaurant, buying a meal, eating with the person, engaging in conversation.

When you've gone there, get back to me. Until then, keep your holier-than-thou moralizing to a quieter tone and listen a little more than you pontificate.

 

[JackFTwist]

Your reading comprehension isn't impressing me.



<clip> Until then, keep your holier-than-thou moralizing to a quieter tone and listen a little more than you pontificate.

In the Name of Christ.

You can be a prostitute and sell yourself for food, there are even Bible stories about that.

You can be the rapist/rich manipulator who offers food and shelter in exchange for the manipulation and exploitation of a person in need.

You can string long sentences to justify the use of the means of survival to get your sexual kicks out of a homeless person but you can't look Christ in the face and do it.

Merry Christmas. We can all see what it really means to you.

 

[JackFTwist]

This thread should have died in 2006......

yeah it should have

and I regret that I didn't check the dates before I responded to someone else's act today of pulling this thread up again

this is about the sleeziest thing I have ever read

 

[Kulindahr]

2nd .. My aunt had a 24 year old gay boss in South Point, Ohio several years ago ....
He , being a Nice Guy .. picked up a homeless hitchiker , took him home, let him get a warm bath/shower, gave him clean clothes and washed his dirty ones , fed him a hot dinner, and offered him the guest room .... NO strings attached.
During the night, the guy went into the study, got a hand gun out of the desk , went into the bedroom and beat the guy in the head .. turned him over and tied him to the headboard with ties from the closet.
Then he proceeded to rape the young man over and over and when he could not get erect anymore, he used a broom handle and wine bottle . Then he killed him.
From there he took all the money, credit cards, jewelry, tv set, stereo, and the new sports car and away he went ....
I believe if memory serves me that he only got FIVE Years because it was determined that he suffered from "Mental Illness" at the time.

There's enough stupidity on the part of the host in that account that I don't have a huge amount of sympathy.
A basic rule of firearm safety is that a firearm should always be under your control. That means either in reach and borne (as in "keep and bear") in such manner that it not easily be taken away, or locked beyond simple retrieval without a key or combination, or at worst disabled beyond quick restoration (like, remove the transfer bar, cylinder, slide, etc.).
This guy effectively opted to be at risk from anyone in his apartment who figured on the classic handgun-in-the-desk-in-the-study and decided to be violent.
Secondly, sleeping without your bedroom door locked when you have a stranger in the house is negligent at best, foolishly trusting at worst.

Yes, there are dangers. That's true from both sides; homeless, we see every invitation as a possible trap, of unknown depth and danger. Both sides should take precautions, keeping the worst possibilities in mind.
So when someone comes along who seems interested in sex in exchange for a "normal" evening and night, it's a decent risk -- relatively.
But, then so is hooking up on the internet, picking up someone at the bar....

 

[Kulindahr]

In the Name of Christ.

You can be a prostitute and sell yourself for food, there are even Bible stories about that.

You can be the rapist/rich manipulator who offers food and shelter in exchange for the manipulation and exploitation of a person in need.

You can string long sentences to justify the use of the means of survival to get your sexual kicks out of a homeless person but you can't look Christ in the face and do it.

Merry Christmas. We can all see what it really means to you.

All human interactions are contractual, Jack. You take a job -- you're getting something, and your employer is buying your body for specified conditions.
You're sharing the condescending, superior attitude toward the homeless that a lot of well-to-do, never-been-there types do. We're not such victims, incapable of making free decisions, unable to resist something we don't want just because it means an actual bed for the night and a shower.
And all human interactions are, to an extent, manipulative. An encounter in a bar to pick someone up for the night is very manipulative, with maneuver and innuendo; compared to that, the matter of picking up a homeless person to take home for a night is honest and straightforward.
As homeless, we have the means to survival; that's not the question. The question is luxury, which as I said is the same thing the well-heeled businessman uses in a bar of college kids. We are generally armed, and can easily say no.
And done as the OP described it, there are all sorts of points at which to say "no". I've decided "no" after that hot meal, or said my "no" by sleeping on the couch, or by putting a pillow down the middle of the bed.

Apparently Christmas to you means that some human beings can be regarded as animals, totally subject to the appetites of the moment, worthy of your "charity" from a distance but not of real human respect. To me it means remembering that under our Creator, every person owns himself, and is to be treated that way, whose decisions are just as valid as those of the rest of us.

I'll ask what my post which you dissected already did, in different words:

Have you been there? Which is another way of saying, do you have a clue what you're talking about?

 

[LaloGS]

Re: Sex With The Homeless

No, you're not the only one. I find the topic at hand to be disturbing, at best.

I'm well versed on the various fetishes within our community.

This ain't one of them.

Oh yes it is. . .

I have several friends in LA and Phoenix who get off doing this.

Never done it myself, but some of the stories my friends tell are hair raising. They tell me that most of the homeless men they have picked up are totally aware of what is going down, and sometimes it's the homeless man doing it because they know the score, and consider it the payment for a shower, a meal, and a night in a warm bed with a warm body. But it can be dangerous.

 

[axioma16]

Your reading comprehension isn't impressing me.

Oh, OK.

There's nothing "covert" about it. Anyone who's been on the streets more than two days knows that if a stranger says "Come home with me", odds are it's a sexual venture. Such a thing starts with knowledge, and when there's knowledge, it isn't covert. If they're not willing, they don't have to go -- no one's gagging and bagging them.
And it isn't being "masked... as charity", it's being stated as the invitation it is -- with that implied understanding I mentioned above.

The fact that there's mutual awareness of a situation's particularities doesn't mean that what you describe isn't a covert act of manipulation that's barely (and shamelessly) masked as some spurious form of charity. Even though my choice of words is definitely wrong. One engages in acts of charity willingly, expecting nothing in return. Taking advantage of someone’s vulnerable position is not charity, but an execrable act of forced prostitution, which is a result of a person’s desperate necessity, not a matter of choice. When people’s options are dying of inanition or, as you describe, exposing themselves to further and greater abuse for the sole fact of sleeping in the streets, prostitution may be their only option to relative safety. Does that make these people’s situation any less unfair? Does that make the people who take advantage of them any less despicable? Certainly not.

The fact that people can say ‘no’, and some might indeed do so, doesn’t mean that it isn’t an act of abuse nor that the integrity of one of the parties isn’t being compromised. It just means that, if people are desperate enough, they can and will choose to do things that they wouldn’t normally be willing to do, just for the sake of momentarily having things to which they are being denied access. Things that are, by the way, part every human being's fundamental rights.

The "utter and complete social alienation" is a phenomenon from the side of those who deal with them; it is not inherent to their situation or their being. You imply that they're somehow outcasts because of what they are, which smacks of a victim syndrome, the belief that some people are just victims practically inherently.
And, yes, when someone offers us a shower and a warm bed, we're grateful for that charity. It isn't your oh-so-condescending "small window into normalcy"; we on the streets see normalcy quite a lot, as we migrate during the day so we don't get cited for vagrancy or trespassing, seeing the sights and sounds of (generally) a big city; we even cruise malls and go to the occasional movie for a place to sit for a while and est.
When a stranger comes and offers a night of "normalcy", it generally isn't normalcy, but above and beyond; most people who make that offer, in my experience, are well above median economic status. There's no "force" involved, any more than there is in a Madison Avenue ad campaign -- just an implied arrangement understood by both sides from the beginning. Accepting is less compromising to our dignity than the risks of another night without adequate shelter, where falling asleep is handing one's life over to anyone who passes by. Thank God I never actually had to sleep on the pavement: others got peed on, or woke up to excrement or food scraps at their feet -- or head. And as the news shows, every now and then one of us doesn't wake up.

First, I would like to remind you that these people are seen as liabilities by most of society, and they are isolated because of their assigned marginal status. The fact that they have the capability to interact with others in terms of equality doesn’t mean that they are allowed to exercise it.


Second, there are people who are placed by those around them, or society as a whole, in the position of victims - whether they want to occupy such a position or not. I am not talking about the racism and misogyny with which society purposefully selects most of those who are to be relegated to a marginal position (that would require a thread of its own). I am referring to the abuse and emotional isolation that people who are seen as non-functional suffer. These people are systematically victimized not only because they are exposed to attacks by immoral and degenerate individuals, but because they are not given access to things that we all need and should have. How exactly are they not victims? If not having intimacy, being denied access to a home and food isn’t being forcefully placed into the position of victims, then I don’t know what could be. Maybe being burned in pyres for looking different, or being physically removed from the community by popular vote? These people are, independently of their personal views on the matter, victims – victimized by society and victimized by anyone who abuses them.

Now, giving these people access to a warm bed, a hot meal, clean clothes and a shower is nice enough. Then again, it cannot be described as an act of charity when an individual uses these things (which are, theoretically, part of what is or should be normal life) to have the chance to engage in a sexual act as a consequence. So, now being a pig that takes advantage of other people’s desperate willingness to prostitute themselves in exchange of what should their right to have, isn’t despicable, but something acceptable.

Additionally, what is normal about being forced to migrate throughout the day across a city to avoid, as you say, being accused of vagrancy or trespassing? Being forced - yes, forced - to choose between the dangers of prostitution and the danger of being murdered in the streets while sleeping may, in the strictest and most literal of terms, constitute an act of freedom of choice. That doesn’t make the choice any less compromising to their dignity, because they are required to pick the lesser of two evils depending on their momentary appreciation of a situation that's most frequently desperate.

Finally, I would like to mention that, regardless of the economic position of those who engage in these acts of depravity, because abusing others in any way is an act of depravity, this is not a valid arrangement in the sense that there are many ways to truly help people which don’t require forcing them to trade with their bodies and their integrity.

I do understand that having to sell yourself and compromise your integrity at all levels is not what you could describe as normal - then again, this situation is nothing but anomalous, and the individuals who thus take advantage of the homeless are perverts themselves. Yes, abnormal people. If they really cared about the situation of others, they would offer food, clean clothes and enough money to rent a cheap room in a pension and take a shower there. They would work voluntarily in homeless shelters or make a substantial donation to charity. Exchanging next to nothing for a person's dignity just because they are being given access to things that lie beyond their means is a contract (after all, they do accept, do they not?), but as you said in one of your previous posts, it is a fraudulent contract. An unequal and unfair contract. The fact that the terms are implied, and superficially no one has to agree to them if they don't want to, doesn't mean that this is not an abuse. Only a fraudulent arrangement in which one person's vulnerable position leaves them exposed to being offered this sort of execrable "opportunities" to indulge in their solipsistic journey through misery. What a peculiar vision of the world some people have.

Were this a civilized society, I'd challenge you -- to a duel, that is -- for the low, arrogant, vilely insulting "ordinary life that lies beyond their possibilities" statement at the end. You make us sound like degenerate throw-backs of the race, deficient in character, intelligence, will, talent, imagination. Yes, there are barriers, but they're not what your condescending words imply.

How exactly am I putting in doubt anyone's inherent qualities? One of the greatest tragedies of homelessness is that the people who suffer it are exactly equal to everybody else, with the same abilities and potential... yet, they are reduced to a state of extreme poverty. A state that deprives them from having access to what is widely considered an 'ordinary life'.

However, I do agree with the fact that this is not a civilized society. If it were, the necessary infrastructures would have been created to help vulnerable people in all cases, rather than discarding them like used tissues and forcing them to barely subsist in and beyond the margins of society.

"Blackmail" means there's a threat held over someone's head. There's not much that can be held as a threat to is when we're homeless; there's not much left to lose except our lives, which often -- thanks to the rude and haughty attitudes such as you expressed above -- don't seem worth much. I can remember nights when I would have accepted an offer of meal, movie, bath, laundry, and warm bed, even if I knew ahead of time that odds were I'd never wake up again.
And "rape" requires coercion, which I dealt with above. Consider that many homeless carry a weapon of some sort -- I relied on a .357 magnum at night; others stuck with knitting needles or shanks of various sorts. Remember the dangers other posts pointed out.
"Extreme" is a relative word. When you've been living in an apartment with rotting walls, sinks that don't drain right, a shower that barely dribbles, no insulation, without enough money for heat or food, the drop to homeless is a very short one... and may even seem an improvement.
You really don't know what you're talking about, dude! Homeless, we have all day for human contact -- at a mall, at a city park, at a fountain, all sorts of places where people gather. There are regular stops to be made for empty cans to return for deposit, pick up scraps at a restaurant, sing with a street musician, or at the very least confer with other homeless over where there might be something free that would make life on the street easier.
So there isn't any "force" deriving from lack of human contact or companionship, and no necessity whatsoever. I think you have a really strange view of being homeless -- which is, BTW, fairly often a choice (not always for the best of reasons, but still a choice).

There are many forms of blackmail that don’t require verbally or physically threatening others, but just using their weaknesses to the blackmailer’s advantage. Here, we are talking about a form of emotional blackmail that is followed by both emotional and physical exploitation, and that constitutes a rape, if only from a moral perspective. The fact that no one has a knife pressed against their throat, bruises or torn tissue doesn’t mean that it isn’t a violation of another human being’s integrity. The fact that they are somehow exhorted to participate (or rather, forced by their situation) doesn’t mean that this is not a vile act of rape, and that their abusers are not to blame.

Equally, the need to provide themselves with the means to actually be able to physically neutralize a potential attacker confers them the status of victims. The fact that all people, even those who are constantly surrounded by luxury and lead privileged lives, can also be attacked, doesn’t reduce nor change the victim status of indigent people, mainly because the likelihood of them suffering an aggression is, exponentially, much higher than any other group, because they are dehumanised by society at large – otherwise, they would not be exposed to such extreme dangers with such an alarming frequency.

Equally, the fact that one’s presence is tolerated or even peripherally acknowledged doesn’t mean that there is any form of rapport. Human communication has many levels of intensity and reciprocity, and existing, or even being dealing with others and actually being validated as a human being are two different things.

Also, I cannot imagine anyone actually choosing to live in the streets. As far as I have seen, the only people who actually could be considered to choose homelessness are people who suffer from severe depression, and cannot, by any means, respond normally to the often brutal pressures that are used against them. So, I suppose that those teenagers who are kicked out of their houses, people who lose their jobs and are evicted from their homes and people who are actually born in homelessness choose their condition. Actually, I am sure they do.

Such an encounter is indeed an opportunity -- it's an opportunity to choose: do I take the pleasant night at the implied cost, or not? is this offer without strings, or not? am I going to be kidnapped and sold into a slave operation, or not?
And if fear, or assessment of negatives, outweighs the proffered benefits, I decline... assertively, maybe forcefully if necessary.
Such an invitation is generally welcome, if for no other reason than a change in routine. For youth on the streets, it isn't as tempting as for those over 20; most large cities now have centers where youth can shower, do laundry, score snacks, watch TV, chill with others, even do email. Without those pressures, your imagined "blackmail" suddenly sounds foolish!

How exactly does the word blackmail sound foolish? The fact that some cities have youth centres where homeless adolescents can have access to some amenities for a limited period of time every day, doesn’t resolve their primary needs. It certainly doesn’t save them from prostitution.

In addition, having to analyse whether one will be exposed to terrible dangers doesn’t constitute a legitimate choice; it is a matter of desperation. Just because you may choose to decline an invitation in an emphatic or even forceful manner, doesn’t mean that it’s a valid choice. It only means that someone might be using your poverty and lack of protection as a means to cause great harm to you. The fact that it can be a matter of luck is irrelevant.

Anyone can sit back and condemn, and make pompous pronouncements from a definite distance away. Yet that doesn't make such pronouncements valid -- or even acceptable.

You may have noticed I talked in the first person about the homeless. That's because, as you should have noticed in my post you quoted, I spent some time on the streets, even though most of it I did have a truck canopy over my head -- but I never quite knew where my next meal would be from, or when I'd have clean clothes again. I know the pressures, and the options.

I'm willing to bet you've never even really spoken to a homeless person.
I'm guessing you've never done much for one, either. Handing out some change, or a few dollars, doesn't count, either; I mean at the very least taking the person to an actual restaurant, buying a meal, eating with the person, engaging in conversation.

When you've gone there, get back to me. Until then, keep your holier-than-thou moralizing to a quieter tone and listen a little more than you pontificate.

Thank you for your completely justified and generous showering of niceties. It’s comforting to see that I, evil and ignorant one, am the only creature capable of making ridiculous assumptions about others based on what? Something as defining and explicative as a post in an internet forum!

With that out of the way, I have to say that I’m profoundly sorry for your experience as a homeless person. Yes, I have not been (and will hopefully never be) homeless for a single day in my life, but then again, that doesn’t keep me from feeling compassion and actually being capable to do things for others. One can work voluntarily in homeless shelters all year long, you know. Also, donations to charity are an option. As are buying food an clothes for the homeless without expecting anything in return.


There is something called Christian charity in this world. There also are two things called human quality and elementary decency - which don't require payment of any kind.

Also, I know from experience that many times, people actually refuse to share their stories, and I would never impose on them the obligation to actually share their experiences with someone they don't know. All I know is that, as far as I have been told and able to observe, many people experience homelessness as something humiliating, painful and deeply scarring – especially because, I don’t know how it is in the U.S., but people in most European countries are not exactly sympathetic with the homeless, who are isolated indeed. Maybe the fact that you had a car and the means to defend yourself places you in a different category. Personally, I have never known of a homeless person who was in such a 'fortunate' position.

Still, I wouldn’t like you or anyone else to think that I am trying to deliberately offend anyone. For this, I apologize if the way in which I have expressed my opinions hasn’t been adequate. Also, I apologize for the length of my post. Sorry if it bothered anyone.

 

[rareboy]

This is by far the most festive thread of the season.

I'm assuming that since Scrapple is no longer posting that he either got gutted after being raped or found just the right homeless guy to settle down with.

One assumes that Orton has a particular reason for disinterring the maggot raddled corpse of this thread to provoke the type of thoughtful discussion on the subject that many of the previous posts displayed.

 

[ixthrock]

...Taking advantage of someone’s vulnerable position is not charity, but an execrable act of forced prostitution, which is a result of a person’s desperate necessity, not a matter of choice. .... if people are desperate enough, they can and will choose to do things that they wouldn’t normally be willing to do, just for the sake of momentarily having things to which they are being denied access. Things that are, by the way, part every human being's fundamental rights. ... How exactly are they not victims? If not having intimacy, being denied access to a home and food isn’t being forcefully placed into the position of victims, then I don’t know what could be. ....there are many ways to truly help people which don’t require forcing them to trade with their bodies and their integrity.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

This is how i feel about the system of wage-slave-labor we have in AmeriKKKa! It's one of the reasons i "went homeless" for a while....Oh, how i miss my dignity....

 

[USEDCAR]

Wow its nice that you want to help someone but come on fucking a homeless person?


Like someone said all the Std's and aids


My fantasy is to have sex with a Illegal Immigrant

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm just wondering:

How many posting in this thread have been homeless?
How many have gotten close enough to a homeless person to get a good picture of ife on the streets?

 

[scrapple]

Weren't there some sites that featured real homeless guys getting sucked for money?

 

[rareboy]

Dear Jesus.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Re: Sex With The Homeless

Am I the only one who finds this thread sick and disgusting. You are talking about taking advantage of vulnerable people, for God's sake.

Its predatory behavior only demons and goblins enjoy. I'm personally sick of watching "heroes" swoop into soup kitchen areas and scoop up sexually confused (in many cases abused) young men for some soulless, sinister sex fun with men most vulnerable to suicide and mental/emotional disorder.

 

[PalacePaul]

Dear Jesus.

I'm shocked at the kind of threads people posted 15 years ago

 

[USEDCAR]

I'm shocked at the kind of threads people posted 15 years ago

So many old threads bumped i don't get it

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I'm just wondering:

How many posting in this thread have been homeless?
How many have gotten close enough to a homeless person to get a good picture of ife on the streets?

I intermingle with/feed/provide resources for the homeless every single day. And I watch "do-gooders" (sorry but mostly white) swoop in for a good nut. This backfires in a million ways (get robbed, beat up,) the mechanics of sexual confusion are hard for normal people, even worse when you're homeless. This thread is disgusting. Final answer.

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Weren't there some sites that featured real homeless guys getting sucked for money?

There is one person I can think of in particular that had quite a few videos of them doing this. I don't remember their name, but had quite the notoriety years ago in general and specifically a yahoo group.

I'm just wondering:

How many posting in this thread have been homeless?
How many have gotten close enough to a homeless person to get a good picture of ife on the streets?

1. No, fortunately I am lucky I have the support system that I had, but it was a real possibility for me.

2. Plenty, I grew up in Philadelphia and there were a lot of them. Unfortunately where I live now, there is really only one homeless shelter people can really good to.

 

[Dominus]

I have taken in homeless guys in the past.

Before I go on, let me be clear that I never put my hands on any of them. There was even one (very attractive) who was completely naked in front of me and I declined and walked away.

My experiences are the following:

(1) Chances are they really do drugs. They will cheat, lie, steal, etc. just for the next hit.

(2) Self-sabotage is prevalent among them. You can set them up with the best job and an apartment and a month later they will lose it due to some completely avoidable reason.

(3) Getting them to do anything productive is like pulling teeth.

(4) A friend of mine pointed this out at the time. I can think of several friends who I haven't spoken with for years and I have no doubt that if I fall on hard times they will let me sleep on their couch. There is a reason why these guys have no one left to turn to: They have burned all their bridges.

In other words, there are more involved than just people who have fallen on hard times.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

*even if they're sexually secure its still pretty gross, just a little less so