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The hot terrorist

As for Mr. Mangione, methinks there may have been a terrible injustice done him. I have come into knowledge that the real killer is none other than Andrew Brunk, formerly beloved antiques appraiser from Ashville, North Carolina.

It's clear the flood was too much for him and ruined him, causing this terrible break with reality. I'm sure we all would be vulnerable in such a space. And, he's had to work alongside that crack smoking nutcase, Sam Farrell, so that's clearly a complicating factor. Second from the left:

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I'm just going to note that the obviously pain wracked man in the post arrest pics isn't the carefree pre-injury hotty fuck-puppet we see in the majority of pics.

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The blush will soon be off the rose.

A classmate of mine in college murdered the dorm mother's friend's husband, for hire. It all came down when he returned to New Jersey and could not live with the guilt, and confessed to his uncle. He was given life without parole.

I believe he died in his 40's, or early 50's. In college, he had been a buff ROTC cadet, a bodybuilder, and a relatively handsome Italianate man. When I visited him a decade later in prison, he was haggard, thin, and with a haunted look about his gaunt face. As I think on him now, he was a bit of the Ancient Mariner of STC infamy.

Mr. Mangione will go a similar path, if he lives to go to prison. He won't see some rich man's swell of sympathy like the Menendez murderers, and find clemency. They will let him rot.
 
NotHardUp1 said:
The blush will soon be off the rose.

A classmate of mine in college murdered the dorm mother's friend's husband, for hire. It all came down when he returned to New Jersey and could not live with the guilt, and confessed to his uncle. He was given life without parole.

I believe he died in his 40's, or early 50's. In college, he had been a buff ROTC cadet, a bodybuilder, and a relatively handsome Italianate man. When I visited him a decade later in prison, he was haggard, thin, and with a haunted look about his gaunt face. As I think on him now, he was a bit of the Ancient Mariner of STC infamy.

Mr. Mangione will go a similar path, if he lives to go to prison. He won't see some rich man's swell of sympathy like the Menendez murderers, and find clemency. They will let him rot.
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Seems rather silly to compare these three killings. Very dissimilar all the way round.

And, "Mr Mangione" sounds like Chuck, and Chuck swears they're not related.:)
 
Kahaih said:
Seems rather silly to compare these three killings. Very dissimilar all the way round.

And, "Mr Mangione" sounds like Chuck, and Chuck swears they're not related.:)
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I think Jason's point is that like his classmate, Luigi Mangione will likely weaken physically and be sapped of his will to live mentally during what will almost certainly be a life sentence without parole. If I recall, the Menendez brothers were on trial in their early 20s for murdering their parents back in the 1990s, and alleged they had been abused. Apparently they have filed for a resentencing hearing. I didn't find information on who was paying their attorneys, but I think Jason is saying he doesn't think any wealthy people will step up to help Luigi the way somebody apparently has been doing for the Menendez brothers. In other words, appeals don't depend on the merits of the case, but on who's bankrolling it.
 
Araucaria said:
I think Jason's point is that like his classmate, Luigi Mangione will likely weaken physically and be sapped of his will to live mentally during what will almost certainly be a life sentence without parole. If I recall, the Menendez brothers were on trial in their early 20s for murdering their parents back in the 1990s, and alleged they had been abused. Apparently they have filed for a resentencing hearing. I didn't find information on who was paying their attorneys, but I think Jason is saying he doesn't think any wealthy people will step up to help Luigi the way somebody apparently has been doing for the Menendez brothers. In other words, appeals don't depend on the merits of the case, but on who's bankrolling it.
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Mangione is from a wealthy family. They're likely paying for the experienced attorney that was just hired to defend him.

The only way to make Mangione eligible for the death penalty, he would have to be tried under Federal law in a Federal court (thanks to Bill Barr, who restored execution at the Federal level). So far, it looks like they're going with State-level charges under NY law which means that he will likely serve in a NY State prison. State prisons are always much rougher than Federal prisons.

His attorney will likely try to get Mangione interviewed by a psychiatrist in order to mount a mental health defense. Since the crime happened in NYC, it might also be hard to find a jury willing to unanimously convict Mangione. Don't be surprised if there's a plea deal.
 
It seems very like that Mr. Mangione intended his murder to be an act of terrorism, so it will be interesting to see if the federal government has the nerve to press its case for a domestic terrorist. That has been an accusation all along, that we're all happy to slap down roving Muslims, but hesitant even in the press to correctly name domestic terrorists.

And I say Mr. Mangione because he is the accused. He isn't an entertainer, a celebrity, or anything of the sort, so referring to him by his Christian name seems inappropriately familiar and personal. I prefer formality when discussing legal cases, as I advocate the same all through the system, just as I do in the legislative assemblies. There is a place for fomality, and the justice system is such a place.

Formality connotes respect and civilization, and at the present when chaos and lawlessness seem to be growing, showing respect seems a worthwhile cause.

Mr. Mangione's case may well be cut and dried, his guilt not a question, only the appropriate treatment by the state. Even then, a murderer or terrorist deserves the impersonal distance that comes from formality.

We don't know him. Referring to him without the honorific is too much like what political propagandists and news editorialists do to ensure they don't have to refer to officials witht respect. It's not President Clinton, but "Clinton". We saw those same mind tricks here on the forum duing President George W. Bush's adminsitration. He was derisively referred to as "Dubwa" to denigrate him.

As the nation continues to unravel, the ones lighting the pyre deny their roles in bringing down respect in total, and it all adds up. Americans have increasingly become comtemptuous of civil authority.
 
New York law has a very specific definition of "terrorism" that is crafted toward getting convictions for murdering a member of law enforcement, emergency services or government officials. The DA would have to meet this standard in order to get a Murder in the First Degree conviction: "intimidate or coerce a civilian population" (notice "a" not "the").

It probably ensures that Mangione will not get convicted of first degree murder under the statute.

NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov

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1. "Act of terrorism":

(a) for purposes of this article means an act or acts constituting a specified offense as defined in subdivision three of this section for which a person may be convicted in the criminal courts of this state pursuant to article twenty of the criminal procedure law, or an act or acts constituting an offense in any other jurisdiction within or outside the territorial boundaries of the United States which contains all of the essential elements of a specified offense, that is intended to:
(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping; ...
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Regarding "Luigi", "Mangione" and "Mr. Mangione", and as NotHardUp has probably observed, the Wall Street Journal--regrettably in my opinion--dropped the use of honorifics last year:

www.wsj.com

Vol. 36, No. 5: Honorifics

You won’t be seeing all those Mr., Ms. or Mrs. courtesy titles in Wall Street Journal news articles anymore. Here are the nuances and exceptions.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

I miss the sign of civility.

A Google search yielded the following discussion:


Tellingly, when I typed in "Wall Street Journal" and before I had started to type "honorific", the first link that appeared was "Wall Street Journal bias".

And Google asserts that its search algorithm is itself unbiased? Gimme a break...

Lastly, I've been unsure as to how to pronounce Luigi Mangione's surname, which is to ask how he pronounces it. When I see Mangione, I think: man-joan-ay, as it would be pronounced in Italy, but lately I've been thinking it may be properly be man-gi-oan, as it might follow American practice, as in Al Capone, where the final e is silent. As I don't follow television or radio news I haven't heard it spoken by someone who might--I emphasize might--know the preferred pronunciation.
 
The only proper way to pronounce an Italian name is how it is pronounced in Italy....

Although we still have to endure North Americans calling Italians, EYE-talians.
 
The proper way to pronounce any name is the way the person whose name it is prefers it to be pronounced.

That said, the pronunciation of Italian surnames in English-speaking countries are commonly transformed, particularly in the past, just as English names are transformed in Italy. I used Capone as a well-known example. Let's try another: in the Italian pronunciation of Sinatra, all of the letters are pronounced differently than in English, most notably the 'i' and the trilled 'r'. My own surname, a common English surname of Norman origin, is unintelligible to many Italians unless I change the stress, trill the 'r's', change the position of my tongue when pronouncing the 't' and change the open 'o' to a closed one.

When I say the names of American movie stars in American English to Italians they often are unable to understand because of differences in pronunciation and stress.
 
So why is the murder of one CEO classified as terrorism, but the muders of hundreds of American schoolchildren aren't?

Anyone?
 
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