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The House approved a bill on Monday that outlaws protests

The labor bosses and trial lawyers would be irate to learn that their enemies, the corporations own their Democrat party. They needn't worry, it isn't true. If corporations controlled Congress, they would not be legally obligated to negotiate with unions, and there would be far fewer ways to sue businesses.

As for the Marxist rants, google BOs last state of the union for starters.
 
The united states is heading into an age of State capitalism... The topic of compressed wealth and control of the 1% IS a socialist notion but there were never any words of such a topic.

Forget terms. People have a right to protest. Why can't we place every day and average wage-receiving citizens in congress and office? I think there should be a restriction anyone making over a certain amount can not hold such positions.
 
What changes would you expect from a Congress not, as you claim , controlled by corporations ? It is hard to imagine a government more hostile to employers and business without being fully communist. If you haven!t noticed, we are losing our manufacturing base and best jobs to foreign competition. What more do you want?
 
I watched the whole thing. If you want us to believe there was anything Marxist in it, give us the clips or quote from the transcript.

I second this.

Put up or shut up.
 
What changes would you expect from a Congress not, as you claim , controlled by corporations ? It is hard to imagine a government more hostile to employers and business without being fully communist. If you haven!t noticed, we are losing our manufacturing base and best jobs to foreign competition. What more do you want?

You just offered evidence for my case and showed you don't understand the situation.

We're not losing jobs to "foreign competition", we're losing them to our own companies -- and they get tax benefits for destroying American jobs and giving them to foreigners!

And we have a political system where "think tanks" churn out proposed laws meant to give corporations more special privileges, laws to bust unions and allow them to pay workers nothing. It's thanks to a corporation-bought Congress that we have a minimum wage that is less than half what it was in constant dollars thirty years ago. It's thanks to a corporation-bought Congress that we are currently struggling our way our of a bipartisan recession.

What do I want? I want a Congress that will make the tax system for corporations simple and with no corporate welfare. And I want a Congress that will pass a constitutional amendment declaring that only living, breathing human beings have any political rights at all.
 
What changes would you expect from a Congress not, as you claim , controlled by corporations ? It is hard to imagine a government more hostile to employers and business without being fully communist. If you haven!t noticed, we are losing our manufacturing base and best jobs to foreign competition. What more do you want?

What is your definition of communism, and where did you get your information on the history of it and its original first-hand ideology?


Government and Corporations go hand and hand in terms of the capitalist class or party. There are two forms of parties, political party and social party. Communism and Socialism are two VERY different things. Communism comes from community and social-operated civilization rather then government. 95% of people who have an "understanding" of the topic DON'T know what they are actually talking about. Government wants to own, dominate, and control. Public education on matters such as philosophy are distorted BECAUSE they are provided to children FROM the government. Why would the dictatorial concept point out its own flaws and true intentions? Call the answer to the problems the real enemy rather then itself.

Socialism has begun since the beginning of time. When we invented the wheel, the scientific process of socialism brought us closer together and cultural intelligence took a step forward. When we discovered advancements in MEDICINE, we became MORE socialized. The further development of INTERNET is a HUGE step up the ladder of socialism, because society finds it easier to SOCIALIZE and COMMUNIcate. Borders and nationalism slow the process down. The reason that biased ingrained education teaches that socialism is an orange versus an apple is because they DON'T want the 99% to become one union, to develop consciousness of their place in society. The more people begin protesting their government as the globe is beginning to do now the more signs of socialism progressing shall manifest themselves. Its a HISTORICAL process occurring over hundreds to thousands of years, NOT a economic model or redistribution, such ideas fall under "state capitalism." The government and corporations are AFRAID of further socialism. They stunt the further growth of socialism by trying to harness and censor the internet, one of capitalism's greatest threats. If you teach people that the term of social development is a fascist economic system, you can then use fear mongering, lies, and distortion to keep the people under control. The key is to keep society misinformed and stupid. People are SHEEP. BAAHHH

We live in modern "TRIBES." It works to keep people separated and disconnected, to keep people from being as socialized as they need to. These tribes, Mexican, jewish, Gay, straight, European, Rich, Poor, Bankers, Police. All these are ARTIFICIAL illusions. Invisible fantasies.
 
In general, if you got something in an email, you can post the whole thing. I have on occasion gotten emails with a copyright notice attached, in which case the standard short-quote rule applies.

It's often possible to find an online source by copying the entire first sentence and googling it.

Thanks, now to get my brain to remember it.

It's often possible to find an online source by copying the entire first sentence and googling it.
 
Kris Hawk you are mistaken on many levels. You confusing socialism--government ownership or control of business-- with some notion of social cohesion. For 200 years or so and within the lives of many people today the ideal was the melting pot,I.e. people came from many countries but melded into one unified culture and people. Our motto was E olurubus Unum, from many one. But then the Democrats realized the the assimilated majority tended to be conservative and Republican, so they beginning in the 60s began promoting the idea of multiculturalism and diversity. A strategy of divide and conquer. Keep the country divided into ethnic groups, pnndering to them and urging them to hate he assimilated majority while accusing the majority of hating the majority. It is not the conservatives or corporations or capitalism which has encouraged the division into tribes. It is a control strategy of the liberals and Democrats.
 
^ So I guess you just move on when asked to provide proof?

Is this going to be the approach?

Neither put up. Or shut up?

And your premise about multi-culturalism and liberalism is pure bullshit. Many immigrants are, in fact, quite conservative.

It would seem that it is people like you, parsing the population and creating the Us (white immigrants) versus Them (non-white immigrants) strategy, who are fomenting and stoking the fire in order to grab votes for the Republicans at any cost.
 
Kris Hawk you are mistaken on many levels. You confusing socialism--government ownership or control of business-- with some notion of social cohesion. For 200 years or so and within the lives of many people today the ideal was the melting pot,I.e. people came from many countries but melded into one unified culture and people. Our motto was E olurubus Unum, from many one. But then the Democrats realized the the assimilated majority tended to be conservative and Republican, so they beginning in the 60s began promoting the idea of multiculturalism and diversity. A strategy of divide and conquer. Keep the country divided into ethnic groups, pnndering to them and urging them to hate he assimilated majority while accusing the majority of hating the majority. It is not the conservatives or corporations or capitalism which has encouraged the division into tribes. It is a control strategy of the liberals and Democrats.

With all due respect, it is YOU confusing terms, because of your source of knowledge, which I kindly ask what sources those are. 95% of the population are misinformed on this topic as well as existentialism which socialism falls under. Social cohesion? No not even close either Look up those definitions. The original philosophers stated socialism as a process that we must use a tool in determine how we shape the future without nationalist/religious/political interference. Democrats are part of the capitalist class which people don't realize. Republicans are far more evil then the liberals though. They are tightening our society into a police state. There is nothing socialized about that.

It is you confusing terms sir, and where did you gather this information and what source was it? Where did the source get their facts? You need to ask every American these kinds of questions..
 
Benvolio: Kris is operating under a definition of socialism that isn't the one in the textbooks, because it doesn't involve government. I call it "spiritual Marxism" because it all depends on some process of people evolving into this "we all care about each other" relationship without any forces at work that we usually associate with socialism.

Also, the "melting pot" has always been a myth. It was an elegant concept, but there have always been pockets -- think Chinatown, for example -- of immigrant cultures which never blended. Around the country I've run into pockets where third, fourth, and fifth-generation immigrants are still speaking Chinese, Italian, and German, and met a guy who grew up speaking Norwegian because his whole town did.

It's been more of a "stew pot" where in many places immigrant communities retain a great deal of their original culture, while absorbing important elements of U.S. culture. At the same time, the bigger culture picks up all sorts of things from the immigrants. An equilibrium is reached between the two, sometimes with the immigrant culture blending completely, sometimes with it retaining a definitely distinct flavor, and other times being very resistant to change -- or you can get places like the town the Norwegian guy was from, where everyone spoke both Norwegian and English while it was like an old Norwegian town.
 
Benvolio: Kris is operating under a definition of socialism that isn't the one in the textbooks, because it doesn't involve government. I call it "spiritual Marxism" because it all depends on some process of people evolving into this "we all care about each other" relationship without any forces at work that we usually associate with socialism.

Also, the "melting pot" has always been a myth. It was an elegant concept, but there have always been pockets -- think Chinatown, for example -- of immigrant cultures which never blended. Around the country I've run into pockets where third, fourth, and fifth-generation immigrants are still speaking Chinese, Italian, and German, and met a guy who grew up speaking Norwegian because his whole town did.

It's been more of a "stew pot" where in many places immigrant communities retain a great deal of their original culture, while absorbing important elements of U.S. culture. At the same time, the bigger culture picks up all sorts of things from the immigrants. An equilibrium is reached between the two, sometimes with the immigrant culture blending completely, sometimes with it retaining a definitely distinct flavor, and other times being very resistant to change -- or you can get places like the town the Norwegian guy was from, where everyone spoke both Norwegian and English while it was like an old Norwegian town.
Nothing to do with we all care about each other. Socialism is a natural and inevitable evolution of society. Society DOES evolve over time, and history has its evidence.
 
Nothing to do with we all care about each other. Socialism is a natural and inevitable evolution of society. Society DOES evolve over time, and history has its evidence.

But you're not talking about society becoming different, you're talking about human beings becoming different.

And all the arguments you pose for your socialism arise from everyone taking care of each other.
 
My point was the melting pot was at one time the goal.it is not corporations who have encouraged the division into tribes as Kris calls them. Multiculturalim and diversity as valuable goals are a divide and conquer strategy of liberals. If minorities vote Democrat , the Democrats want more minorities and a smaller assimilated majority.
 
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