The iPad Killer

[Soilwork]

Nice to know some things never change.

I've been gone for like... a year or two... and the threads are still here with people going on about what a piece of crap the new Apple gizmo is.

Oh ... this new product is going to kill the iPhone, the iPad is dead in the water, nobody is going to buy the Apple TV, the iPad is going to be the biggest flop since the Newton, iTunes sucks... then they truck out their own personal favorite product and then over-state how bad the comparable Apple product is... "The iPad is just a distilled piece of dog shit, the iPhone is festering garbage that fell from the ass of a mutant donkey."

And a year later, nobody remembers the newest iWhatever killer and all the iHaters have trucked out a couple new things that are going to "kill" the newest Apple device.

Next.

 

[StlKj]

I've owned, and still own, PCs and Apple products my entire computing life. My current laptop is a Windows 7 machine. My phone is an iPhone. I've had many problems with Windows machines over the years; I never had one problem with my Powerbook G4 from Apple. I've worked in computer labs with both Apple and Windows machines; aside from the occasional sad Mac, Apple machines tended to be more reliable, but both did what they did well.

I tried an Android tablet for a while even though all of my apps and media are Apple-based. It was a fun, quirky little tablet (Acer Iconia Tab) that made me actually appreciate the versatility of a tablet over my current laptop. I sold it, however, because it made little sense to start buying new apps when I already own apps that would work on an ipad. I also didn't care for the Android app stores I encountered, or the fracturing one other poster pointed out (this app doesn't work on this version of Android, etc.). I sold it to a buddy of mine who loves computers even more than me and wanted something he could customize more himself.

I bought my ipad2 yesterday. Played with it on and off throughout the day. It's a beautiful piece of machinery; it works well, and it's compatible with everything I already own.

Of the three (Windows, Android and Apple), I prefer Apple products. Do some things about Apple annoy me? Sure--they sometimes exert a little too much control over things my more rebellious side would like to control itself. However, their products are sound, beautifully designed and work as I need them to. I'm sure I'll own another Windows-based machine in time, but for phones and future tablets, I'm probably staying with Apple.

It's tedious to come into threads where people talk about loving Apple and how great their products are, only to see them constantly attacked by Apple-haters. This thread degenerated into that pretty quickly. Calling people minions and fanboys, or worse, simply because they love a product or a company is just bullying behavior. If you don't like a product, fine, but you don't show your knowledge or skill by insulting those of us who do like them. You just show your ass.

 

[Soilwork]

And nice to know some things never change... Apple fan boys still running a muck over how great their shiny little products are... all looks and no substance... hmm...

Um... where did I do that?

I don't really feel the need to justify what devices I own or don't own.

I'm always baffled by how personally the iHaters seem to take it that other people have and get use out of their iThings. (and saying things like "all looks and no substance" kinda backs up my "over-stating" description)

 

[Soilwork]

And I don't feel the need to defend myself against people who say I'm an "Apple hater". No. I like competition, and I go with what is best suited for my requirements.

Which of course is what you meant when you said "Apple fan boys still running a muck over how great their shiny little products are... all looks and no substance... hmm.."

 

[StlKj]

And I don't feel the need to defend myself against people who say I'm an "Apple hater". No. I like competition, and I go with what is best suited for my requirements.

Actually, while you may think that's true, you come off completely as a hater not only of Apple products, but also those who like them. It may not be the perception you're trying to create, but it's the one you leave.

 

[Soilwork]

Um... I don't see what's inaccurate with what I said there.

Point me to where someone said anything like that in this thread? Maybe I missed it.

Also please point to where I mentioned if I own an Apple product or not.

 

[andysayshi]

My Toshiba laptop is light and small enough... and has a lower malfunction rate then Apple.

Well I'm glad you got rid of your HP laptop that, just 6 months ago, you insisted was more reliable than an Apple laptop. What model Toshiba did you get?

Of course, the measured difference in reliability between Toshiba and Apple portables is less than 2%.

More recent data, like this PCWorld survey of 79,000 users, suggests that Apple's failure rate is the lowest of all portable computers. More importantly, user satisfaction with Apple's after-sales service trounces all other tech companies. If something goes wrong with a portable computer, it is far more likely to be fixed quickly and reliably if it's an Apple than any other brand.

And, of course, Apple tops the tech world for user satisfaction year after year.

But none of that has much to do with tablets, of course.

 

[resonance]

And, of course, Apple tops the tech world for user satisfaction year after year.

But none of that has much to do with tablets, of course.

Apple only began topping satisfaction rankings when the unwarranted "Apple mania" started. I question whether anything regarding the quality of Apple products and services actually changed between the introduction of the iPod and the introduction of the iMac. -.-

The Apple mania will die down eventually unless Apple pulls another hit product soon. I want my smart television...

 

[Telstra]

Nice to know some things never change.

I've been gone for like... a year or two... and the threads are still here with people going on about what a piece of crap the new Apple gizmo is.

Oh ... this new product is going to kill the iPhone, the iPad is dead in the water, nobody is going to buy the Apple TV, the iPad is going to be the biggest flop since the Newton, iTunes sucks... then they truck out their own personal favorite product and then over-state how bad the comparable Apple product is... "The iPad is just a distilled piece of dog shit, the iPhone is festering garbage that fell from the ass of a mutant donkey."

And a year later, nobody remembers the newest iWhatever killer and all the iHaters have trucked out a couple new things that are going to "kill" the newest Apple device.

Next.

I don't think many people hate iPhone or iPad.
It is just that we can't copy and paste music or video into it.

I own an iphone and i don't bother put in any music or video because of it.
Didn't bother to learn how to use iTune properly.

work for the "Soil" is back ...

 

[Soilwork]

I don't think so. Apple has a pretty high failure rate, and its customer support is a joke. You have to pay big bucks to get anything done.

Ok, that's just totally inaccurate.

The Apple Store has a huge staff of tech people there who help you for free. Even on crazy busy weekend afternoons I've never waited for longer than maybe 30 minutes and that's without having an appointment.

Apple Care on most products is pretty cheap and ends up making most repairs free.

 

[Soilwork]

Wait I thought you said you didn't own any Apple products. You can't have it both ways...

Um no... I said that I hadn't mentioned in my post whether I had any or not, just that I'm always baffled by the anti-Apple people who seem to really take it personally that other people DO have Apple products.

I was leaving myself out of it because I just have devices that work for me and me personally... I don't get involved in the "this is better than that" because what you always mean by that is "this is better FOR ME than that is FOR ME."

But saying that Apple service is slow and expensive... well that's not a subjective thing... that's just a pretty false statement. So much so that many other stores have fallen all over themselves to copy the "Genius Bar" idea.

 

[andysayshi]

I don't think so. Apple has a pretty high failure rate, and its customer support is a joke. You have to pay big bucks to get anything done.

All the statistics I've shown prove you are wrong. Please provide some credible statistics to prove otherwise.

Apple Insider.com... wow. Fantastic source.

If you look at the graph you'll see the source is actually The American Customer Satisfaction Index, the largest consumer satisfaction rating organisation in the world.

 

[andysayshi]

We're just walking the same road as before Giancarlo. You jump into a thread, guns blazing, saying that Apple products suck, are unreliable and faulty. When you get called on it, you can't prove those assertions. You never have.

Then you eventually calm down and say "to each his own" or some such. Wouldn't it just be easier to accept from the start that some people buy their gear for different reasons than you, rather than insulting other people's decisions? I completely respect your choice of whatever gadgets suit your purposes. I wish you offered the same respect to others. Or, at the very least, if you have criticisms of Apple products, back them up with some hard facts.

 

[maxpowr9]

As I have said before in other forums throughout the web, as a PC gamer, you need a windows PC. That is the main reason I will not buy a Mac. I do own an ipod touch which I love although I hate itunes with a passion. I've been debating the ipad vs the kindle fire in the tech forum here and I'd personally love amazon to add a camera and mic for skype (and perhaps charge a $100 more for it) but that's what I hate about being an early adopter of tech stuff. I honestly can't bring myself to spend $600+ on an ipad though.

 

[maxpowr9]

Yeah being an early adopter of tech stuff can get you in some trouble (or at least waste money). I made that mistake with HD-DVD. Ended up getting a Blu-ray player in the end. Wait off on certain things. The Kindle Fire is very enticing, even for me... but I still prefer to read books cover to cover. It's low cost, support for Amazon Prime and so forth does make it interesting for me.

I have an Amazon Prime account which is somewhat the reason why I want one over the ipad. I am a fan of paper books too (almost done with storm of swords) which is kind of why I want a little more out of a tablet besides an e-reader and media viewer. I'm fine with no 3g/4g (I have a grandfathered smartphone if I need to use it badly) but some more added features would be nice.

 

[andysayshi]

Um as I said... enjoy your faulty devices. You as a consumer have full rights to own one. And by the way, I've discussed other devices in this thread. As I said before, I was just having fun (which doesn't involve... cough cough)...

I'm not insulting anyones decisions. As I said... you a consumer have a right to waste your money whatever way you choose. I always try to spend my money the best way possible.

ARe we cool?

Of course!

And I hope your HP laptop gives you years of trouble free service.

 

[DigitalFudge]

I guess I am the only one here who loves Apple and Android.

Well I'm glad you got rid of your HP laptop that, just 6 months ago, you insisted was more reliable than an Apple laptop. What model Toshiba did you get?

Of course, the measured difference in reliability between Toshiba and Apple portables is less than 2%.

More recent data, like this PCWorld survey of 79,000 users, suggests that Apple's failure rate is the lowest of all portable computers. More importantly, user satisfaction with Apple's after-sales service trounces all other tech companies. If something goes wrong with a portable computer, it is far more likely to be fixed quickly and reliably if it's an Apple than any other brand.

And, of course, Apple tops the tech world for user satisfaction year after year.

But none of that has much to do with tablets, of course.

Holy shit fuck this Dell I need to get an Asus computer.

 

[Arcturus]

And I don't feel the need to defend myself against people who say I'm an "Apple hater". No. I like competition, and I go with what is best suited for my requirements.

What exactly are your requirements? Why don't Macs meet those requirements? Are you a gamer? Are you someone who requires an open ecosystem, rather than the closed one Apple provides? IS upgradeability extremely important? You've never mentioned them and I am curious to know what they are.

 

[Arcturus]

I'm not wrong in any regard. But read my later post. To each their own. Enjoy your faulty devices, I'll enjoy my nice ones.

I was at BestBuy today and looked at the PC laptops. None of them looked remotely nice. They were thick, and felt like they were made with cheap plastic. The only one that looked nice was an ASUS ultrabook, but it looked like a MacBook Air ripoff anyway.

As it was pointed out, Apple devices are not appreciably more faulty than Toshiba or ASUS, so why keep jumping on that train?

 

[Arcturus]

I don't think so. Apple has a pretty high failure rate, and its customer support is a joke. You have to pay big bucks to get anything done.

Apple Customer Service is the best service I have ever experienced. When I have questions, I can call AppleCare and get a reliable answer or go to the nearest Apple Store (about 20 mins for me) and get an answer. The Geniuses there are fantastic and actually seem to care about their customers. In fact, one time I had a question that they couldn't answer, and they told me not to leave the store until they had one for me.

Compare that to the run of the mill PC manufacturer. When you have a PC, the only way to get support from the maker is to call their special hotline. Once you call you have to navigate through a giant phone labyrinth and then at the end you get someone in India who you can't understand.

If I need my Mac repaired (which I never have), I just need to take it to the Apple Store and it will be repaired. With a PC, you have to ship it off somewhere where it can take weeks. Sure, the same thing can happen with Macs if you don't live near an Apple Store, but still.

I've never had to shell out big bucks. I've had to shell out nothing. And if you have AppleCare? Well, then you are practically guaranteed to not have to pay anything for three years. Now, obviously this doesn't cover accidental damage, but still.