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Sure, it's a solid OS, but that doesn't mean it's nicer. IMO, OS X has better features at a better value. It will cost you $29 to upgrade your Snow Leopard PC, while it will take at least $119 to upgrade your Vista PC to 7. I think XP users have to do a clean install, so I am not quite sure if that would require people to buy the full version or not.
However, a lot of features I depend of daily aren't available on Windows. I love the Mac App Store, which is a great compilation of Apps that contains so many fun and useful things. Another thing I love is all of the multi-touch gestures. It's become a thing that I rely on...all the finger swiping just makes your experience with your trackpad all the better.
Resume is another thing I love. It allows you to shut down/restart your computer without closing any programs. When you turn the computer back on and log in, all of these programs will still be open. I've been waiting for this feature for years. I've never used to reboot my computer because I didn't like having to close stuff out, reboot, and then have to sometimes open ten programs again.
Apple even managed to innovate on the way you save things. In Lion, once you save something, it creates a new copy as it is. From there, you can go back and view all of the past versions of your documents and even restore information from them. It opens your current doc, along with a scrolling list of the old versions and allows you to swap information. This is invaluable to me; I can't count the number of times I've regretted saving something and erasing a past copy. The auto save feature will also get you out of jams if you tend to forget to save your changes. It will save them automatically in a new version, which you can access with the old ones.
I also think that Mission Control gives a flawless way to switch between programs or tasks. I also would be lost without it's capability to give you multiple desktops. In Snow Leopard, you were limited to four desktops. Lion it seems there is no limit. I honestly don't know what I would do without it, as it keeps things neat, tidy, and organized. I have a desktop dedicated to web browsing and instant messaging, a desktop dedicated to music and media, one for email, and those are just the ones that are constantly open. I understand that this isn't available in Windows 7, this is unless you install third party applications.
Another great reason I love Mac is the fact that when I take it out of the box and turn it on, I know I won't have to deal with the awful bloatware that comes on PC's. The last PC I had came preinstalled with so much crap...I think I had a 30 day trial of Norton Internet Security, a 30 trial of McAfee, and about 20 other utterly useless things. You have to spend time removing those and cleaning them off your system. It might be quicker to wipe the drive and reinstall Windows. Macs on the other hand don't have that problem. They only come with useful software preinstalled, and no trials of anything. It comes with the iLife suite preinstalled, along with Time Machine, a great back up program. Those are just a few examples of course.
Lion also adds support for iCloud, which is extremely cool function to have. Admiittedly, all of the features are only valuable if you have iOS devices in addition to your Mac, but most Mac owners would have some of those anyway it seems. My favorite feature in iCloud is called Back to My Mac which allows me to have access to all of my Macs all of the time. All I have to do it log in and I can access all my files and even screen share. Windows 7 probably has some type of remote connection, but I bet it isn't as easy or as useful as Back to My Mac.
These are just some of the features that I love about Mac OS X that Windows doesn't have. Sure Windows is a solid OS, but to me, it doesn't make computing fun like OS X does. OS X also has lots of features that just make it a joy to use. I don't get the same user experience in Windows. I am sure that you will say that you don't care if an OS is fun to use, just like you don't care what your computer looks like. That's fine, but other people do. Others like the great computing experience that OS X gives them. And do you know what? If you opened your mind, which is closed off from even thinking of Macs in a positive light, you might like it just as much as me. I don't think you have ever used OS X Lion for an appreciable amount of time. In this thread, I've brought up the OS and how much I love it, yet you stuck to the fact that Macs apparently have inferior hardware without even mentioning the operating system. It's just a theory that you don't really know OS X well, and can't give a detailed commentary on it, so you stick to things that you think you know well.
However, a lot of features I depend of daily aren't available on Windows. I love the Mac App Store, which is a great compilation of Apps that contains so many fun and useful things. Another thing I love is all of the multi-touch gestures. It's become a thing that I rely on...all the finger swiping just makes your experience with your trackpad all the better.
Resume is another thing I love. It allows you to shut down/restart your computer without closing any programs. When you turn the computer back on and log in, all of these programs will still be open. I've been waiting for this feature for years. I've never used to reboot my computer because I didn't like having to close stuff out, reboot, and then have to sometimes open ten programs again.
Apple even managed to innovate on the way you save things. In Lion, once you save something, it creates a new copy as it is. From there, you can go back and view all of the past versions of your documents and even restore information from them. It opens your current doc, along with a scrolling list of the old versions and allows you to swap information. This is invaluable to me; I can't count the number of times I've regretted saving something and erasing a past copy. The auto save feature will also get you out of jams if you tend to forget to save your changes. It will save them automatically in a new version, which you can access with the old ones.
I also think that Mission Control gives a flawless way to switch between programs or tasks. I also would be lost without it's capability to give you multiple desktops. In Snow Leopard, you were limited to four desktops. Lion it seems there is no limit. I honestly don't know what I would do without it, as it keeps things neat, tidy, and organized. I have a desktop dedicated to web browsing and instant messaging, a desktop dedicated to music and media, one for email, and those are just the ones that are constantly open. I understand that this isn't available in Windows 7, this is unless you install third party applications.
Another great reason I love Mac is the fact that when I take it out of the box and turn it on, I know I won't have to deal with the awful bloatware that comes on PC's. The last PC I had came preinstalled with so much crap...I think I had a 30 day trial of Norton Internet Security, a 30 trial of McAfee, and about 20 other utterly useless things. You have to spend time removing those and cleaning them off your system. It might be quicker to wipe the drive and reinstall Windows. Macs on the other hand don't have that problem. They only come with useful software preinstalled, and no trials of anything. It comes with the iLife suite preinstalled, along with Time Machine, a great back up program. Those are just a few examples of course.
Lion also adds support for iCloud, which is extremely cool function to have. Admiittedly, all of the features are only valuable if you have iOS devices in addition to your Mac, but most Mac owners would have some of those anyway it seems. My favorite feature in iCloud is called Back to My Mac which allows me to have access to all of my Macs all of the time. All I have to do it log in and I can access all my files and even screen share. Windows 7 probably has some type of remote connection, but I bet it isn't as easy or as useful as Back to My Mac.
These are just some of the features that I love about Mac OS X that Windows doesn't have. Sure Windows is a solid OS, but to me, it doesn't make computing fun like OS X does. OS X also has lots of features that just make it a joy to use. I don't get the same user experience in Windows. I am sure that you will say that you don't care if an OS is fun to use, just like you don't care what your computer looks like. That's fine, but other people do. Others like the great computing experience that OS X gives them. And do you know what? If you opened your mind, which is closed off from even thinking of Macs in a positive light, you might like it just as much as me. I don't think you have ever used OS X Lion for an appreciable amount of time. In this thread, I've brought up the OS and how much I love it, yet you stuck to the fact that Macs apparently have inferior hardware without even mentioning the operating system. It's just a theory that you don't really know OS X well, and can't give a detailed commentary on it, so you stick to things that you think you know well.
Thank you! Apple gives the average consumer much more thought than Windows does, and you are not the first person to put forward the thought that Windows is great...if you are an expert. Windows has too many tricks up it's sleeves and it's often too complicated for the average user.
I didn't know about Automator until a few months ago. I found about it while I was watching an old Apple keynote about the introduction of Tiger. Then I kicked myself not not utilizing such a useful program for close to six years. :O I still haven't used it yet. I am not sure what I would use it for personally. I think I might try something just for fun.
What I meant was that I haven't owned a PC in that time. Sorry, my fault. You can't go 2 years without using some sort of Windows based unit. It's impossible. In fact, when we do computer programming labs, we use Windows 7 PC's. Not my choice, but that is what the classroom has.
My credibility when it comes to Macs isn't shot, and even if it isn't as great I still have some credibility when it comes to PC's. Oh, and you ignored what I said about OS X. Have you ever used it for an appreciable amount of time? You aren't clarifying. It seems to me that you don't know anything about Mac OS X, which is the main reason to buy a Mac.
FYI, on my college campus a good amount of people have Macs. Looking around in a lecture hall, I will see maybe a little less than HALF of all people who have Macs. Clearly they aren't too out of range, if a college student can afford one. Yes, I know a lot of people's parents probably bought it, but still. The economy is in the shitter and more people are buying Macs than ever. In fact, more people are buying Macs now than when the economy was good. Perhaps people have figured out that their run of the mill cheapo PC isn't a good option. I see plenty of average people buying Macs. You get what you pay for, and Macs are a good value IMO. I know you will probably post a tirade about why they aren't, but it's just my opinion.
Just because OS X is a fun OS doesn't mean it's not practical. Those things are not mutually exclusive.
For what it's worth, a lot of people who use PC's have never even used a Mac. If I were to ask everyone that I know who is a PC user, each and every one of them would say that they have little to no experience with Macs. In my life, it seems that once someone gains experience with Macs, they realize how great they are and eventually convert. At least that's the trend in my life. I am sure you will shoot back saying that the exact opposite happens in your life. Well, I am just talking about things that have happened in my life, so don't flip out of me for it like you have in the past.
You got a $29.99 upgrade to Windows 7, but it was a PROMOTION. The vast majority of users who upgrade to Windows 7 will pay the $120. OS X Lion's regular upgrade price is, and always will be $29.
I understand that there is a lot of free and easy to use third party software that adds to Windows. But why would I want to waste time downloading and installing it when I can buy a Mac that has all of the features built in. That gives an advantage because when they are built in, they sync with the OS better. I could by Windows 7 and download and install Rocketdock. But my Mac has a dock built right into the OS, and has had one built into the OS since 2000.
PC fanboys often use the superior selection of software argument a lot, but it is becoming less relevant by the day. As Macs get a higher market share, developers are creating Mac versions of software to go right along with the Windows version. Same with games. BTW, what is some of the software you use on your PC (not games) that you can't get on a Mac? The only example I've come across in the last few years is Autodesk 3DS Max, but that is a $3,500 piece of professional software that most high end users won't even use.
I don't know why you seem to be getting so offended. You criticize Apple fanboys for being overzealous, yet you are exhibiting the same type of behavior.
My credibility when it comes to Macs isn't shot, and even if it isn't as great I still have some credibility when it comes to PC's. Oh, and you ignored what I said about OS X. Have you ever used it for an appreciable amount of time? You aren't clarifying. It seems to me that you don't know anything about Mac OS X, which is the main reason to buy a Mac.
FYI, on my college campus a good amount of people have Macs. Looking around in a lecture hall, I will see maybe a little less than HALF of all people who have Macs. Clearly they aren't too out of range, if a college student can afford one. Yes, I know a lot of people's parents probably bought it, but still. The economy is in the shitter and more people are buying Macs than ever. In fact, more people are buying Macs now than when the economy was good. Perhaps people have figured out that their run of the mill cheapo PC isn't a good option. I see plenty of average people buying Macs. You get what you pay for, and Macs are a good value IMO. I know you will probably post a tirade about why they aren't, but it's just my opinion.
Just because OS X is a fun OS doesn't mean it's not practical. Those things are not mutually exclusive.
For what it's worth, a lot of people who use PC's have never even used a Mac. If I were to ask everyone that I know who is a PC user, each and every one of them would say that they have little to no experience with Macs. In my life, it seems that once someone gains experience with Macs, they realize how great they are and eventually convert. At least that's the trend in my life. I am sure you will shoot back saying that the exact opposite happens in your life. Well, I am just talking about things that have happened in my life, so don't flip out of me for it like you have in the past.
You got a $29.99 upgrade to Windows 7, but it was a PROMOTION. The vast majority of users who upgrade to Windows 7 will pay the $120. OS X Lion's regular upgrade price is, and always will be $29.
I understand that there is a lot of free and easy to use third party software that adds to Windows. But why would I want to waste time downloading and installing it when I can buy a Mac that has all of the features built in. That gives an advantage because when they are built in, they sync with the OS better. I could by Windows 7 and download and install Rocketdock. But my Mac has a dock built right into the OS, and has had one built into the OS since 2000.
PC fanboys often use the superior selection of software argument a lot, but it is becoming less relevant by the day. As Macs get a higher market share, developers are creating Mac versions of software to go right along with the Windows version. Same with games. BTW, what is some of the software you use on your PC (not games) that you can't get on a Mac? The only example I've come across in the last few years is Autodesk 3DS Max, but that is a $3,500 piece of professional software that most high end users won't even use.
I don't know why you seem to be getting so offended. You criticize Apple fanboys for being overzealous, yet you are exhibiting the same type of behavior.
A lot of people find Macs much easier to use than PC's. I have been trying to get that point across, but I don't seem to be succeeding well. There are a good percentage of people who claim Windows is hard to use. If something goes wrong with my Mac, I know where to go to troubleshoot it; Disk Utility, Activity Monitor, or the Console. The Disk Utility app, which will allow me to repair my disk permissions. Once I repair said permissions, all of my problems are gone. I wouldn't begin to know where to troubleshoot in Windows.
Right, well I know that. But what to do after that? I don't think that Windows has the repair permissions feature that comes with Disk Utility. That's usually my go to solution, and it has always worked for me. The last time I would have tried something similar on a PC would have been years ago with XP. While I have used Windows 7, It's never been on a computer I've owned, so I wouldn't have had to do anything like that.
I am actually thinking of picking up a free copy of Windows 7 from one of the University Computing Labs to give it a try. I should probably become more acquainted with it.
I am not getting offended. And we are both posting long, tired replies. Yours are long too. I simple have a lot to say. What's wrong with that? Yes, we agreed not to argue with each other, and I decided to post again. I decided to engage you again, and I am sorry that I broke my word. I just can't keep to myself sometimes.
Also, I asked for some titles. I am a very detail oriented person. Someone saying "I have a lot of titles that aren't available on Mac" is never good enough for me. I like details. If you don't want to give me those titles, that's your prerogative. Just simple tell me so I can stop fishing for them.
Not all Macs are expensive. You can get a Mac Mini for like $500-$600. That's not a lot, and I am sure most people spend more on their PC's.
Macs are getting a higher market share all the time!!! More people are buying them than ever. Apple revealed at their 4th Quarter financial results meeting that they sold more than in any other quarter in their history.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/19260/apple_mac_sales_shine_while_pc_industry_slumps
http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/04/13/apples-mac-market-share-grows-18-9-in-first-quarter/
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/03/ios-and-mac-os-x-market-shares-hit-record-highs/
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/27/chitika-mac-os-x-market-share-jumps-in-september/
There are just a few links supporting what I am saying. I don't understand how you can sit there and say that Mac's market share is dipping, when clearly it's not.
Also, I asked for some titles. I am a very detail oriented person. Someone saying "I have a lot of titles that aren't available on Mac" is never good enough for me. I like details. If you don't want to give me those titles, that's your prerogative. Just simple tell me so I can stop fishing for them.
Not all Macs are expensive. You can get a Mac Mini for like $500-$600. That's not a lot, and I am sure most people spend more on their PC's.
Macs are getting a higher market share all the time!!! More people are buying them than ever. Apple revealed at their 4th Quarter financial results meeting that they sold more than in any other quarter in their history.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/19260/apple_mac_sales_shine_while_pc_industry_slumps
http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/04/13/apples-mac-market-share-grows-18-9-in-first-quarter/
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/03/ios-and-mac-os-x-market-shares-hit-record-highs/
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/09/27/chitika-mac-os-x-market-share-jumps-in-september/
There are just a few links supporting what I am saying. I don't understand how you can sit there and say that Mac's market share is dipping, when clearly it's not.
You can upgrade to Snow Leopard and then to Lion. I am sure there are ways to go around the situation. I am not familiar as I always make sure my OS's are up to date.
There is an eject icon on the top right of the keyboard. I never drag to eject.
Left click? Left click is just an ordinary click. A right click on an old school Mac is just click + control key. On newer Macs with multi touch trackpads you just double tap with two fingers. In System Preferences > Trackpad there are ways to set it up.
Ah yes...I remember now. I think System Restore is awful compared to Time Machine, but that's just my preference. I remember that back on XP I never had much luck with those tools. My system never seemed to run much better after I ran them. And when I used System Restore, it promised newer files would still be there, but they never were.
Did you even look at my links? How can you dismiss them? They show that Mac is getting a higher market share.
I prefer most of the features on my Mac compared to Windows features. But you feel the same way about Windows over Macs. You have not even admitted that they can do some things better than PC's.
And I prefer Time Machine because it's easier to restore things. You can't restore single items instead of your entire computer to an older date.
Nope. Apple's strength is that it's control everything. In the 90's, Apple licensed there OS out to manufacturers, and it hurt Apple badly.
I am an average person, and I have a Mac. I bet a lot of Mac users here are also average people too.
And, fyi, you are just as much a zealot as I am.
You sound like a crazed communist who is against anyone who buys an expensive object, or someone is affluent. Not all of us want to buy a cheap, plastic $400 budget PC. I am not affluent. I don't know anyone who I would qualify as affluent, but I know lots of Mac users.
They do work better at PC's for some things. Just ask a creative professional. Your inability to admit these things shows just how unreasonable you can be. PC's are not better than Macs at 100% of things.
They do work better at PC's for some things. Just ask a creative professional. Your inability to admit these things shows just how unreasonable you can be. PC's are not better than Macs at 100% of things.
I registered here in September 2011. This thread didn't exist in September 2011. And I didn't register two months ago with the mentality that I was registering for the sole reason of yelling at PC fanboys.
I am not trying to generalize you. I am just telling you what you remind me of. And guess what? I have no problem with Communists. I am quite liberal. I don't attack a negative connotation with communism. You on the other hand, are using your "generalization" as an insult. It's quite clear you are very anti-religious. And, I am no more a zealot than you are.
And PC's that are cheap are generally made out of cheap plastic. Only when you get into the higher price ranges, do they feel like quality.
I can admit nice things about PC's. AND I HAVE! I praise PC's for their upgradeability, their great gaming qualities, etc. I will admit that PC's do have strong qualities. You on the other hand are incapable of admitting that Macs have strong qualities.
I am an Apple fanboy, a zealot if you will. I can be mean and petty and rude. But at least I can admit those things.
And at least I am trying to be reasonable...TRYING, even if I am not succeeding. You don't seem to be even making an effort.
I am not trying to generalize you. I am just telling you what you remind me of. And guess what? I have no problem with Communists. I am quite liberal. I don't attack a negative connotation with communism. You on the other hand, are using your "generalization" as an insult. It's quite clear you are very anti-religious. And, I am no more a zealot than you are.
And PC's that are cheap are generally made out of cheap plastic. Only when you get into the higher price ranges, do they feel like quality.
I can admit nice things about PC's. AND I HAVE! I praise PC's for their upgradeability, their great gaming qualities, etc. I will admit that PC's do have strong qualities. You on the other hand are incapable of admitting that Macs have strong qualities.
I am an Apple fanboy, a zealot if you will. I can be mean and petty and rude. But at least I can admit those things.
And at least I am trying to be reasonable...TRYING, even if I am not succeeding. You don't seem to be even making an effort.
You don't have an open mind either. You will defend PC's to the death, and if PC's were made by one company you would be in my shoes. After this last post I am going to disappear, and I won't post again.
I said three times what I thought PC's were good at, you didn't pay attention. You couldn't even make the concessions that Macs are better at PC's than somethings. I will never shout my praise for a PC, just like you won't do the same for Mac. And, you never said what your definition of low cost was. The way you are talking, low cost is probably $400-500. It also depends on what your definition of nice case is. I bet we don't have the same views.
This isn't arguing, at least it isn't to me. This to me is a simply a debate, which can get heated. I don't have anything against you, I simply accept our likes and dislikes now.
We need to simply agree that we don't like each other, never will, we don't think of each other as reasonable, and we both think each other is a zealot.
I am done. I really don't have any more energy to "argue" with you anymore. And FYI, I've been an ardent atheist ever since my hellish days in Catholic School.
With that, I will bid you farewell.
I said three times what I thought PC's were good at, you didn't pay attention. You couldn't even make the concessions that Macs are better at PC's than somethings. I will never shout my praise for a PC, just like you won't do the same for Mac. And, you never said what your definition of low cost was. The way you are talking, low cost is probably $400-500. It also depends on what your definition of nice case is. I bet we don't have the same views.
This isn't arguing, at least it isn't to me. This to me is a simply a debate, which can get heated. I don't have anything against you, I simply accept our likes and dislikes now.
We need to simply agree that we don't like each other, never will, we don't think of each other as reasonable, and we both think each other is a zealot.
I am done. I really don't have any more energy to "argue" with you anymore. And FYI, I've been an ardent atheist ever since my hellish days in Catholic School.
With that, I will bid you farewell.
Daximus
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Good lord. You guys are treating hardware and software like religion and politics.
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I'm keeping a running tally on my iPad of how many times you've said you were leaving this discussion..
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You can't argue with someone who has their fingers in their ears shouting "nyah nyah nyah". Particularly someone who claims to have no interest in owning a tablet, but comes into a thread about tablets purely to moan about his hatred of a tech company. And certainly not someone who NEVER supports his statements with facts or citations. 
Back to topic: Technology research firm Gartner says the iPad will continue to dominate the tablet market until at least 2015. Over the next year they will retain over 73% market share.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/2187...mputer-android-market-share-rim-microsoft.htm
Back to topic: Technology research firm Gartner says the iPad will continue to dominate the tablet market until at least 2015. Over the next year they will retain over 73% market share.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/2187...mputer-android-market-share-rim-microsoft.htm