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the last film you watched thread

I wouldn't go out of my way to recommend it.

It's interesting for many reasons, though. Tilda Swinton is in it...it's colorful...Jarman has a unique, somewhat silly style...Terry Eagleton co-wrote the script...it's from an early explicitly gay director. None of such makes it especially compelling on its own, unfortunately. I re-watched Sebastiane (members ahoy) recently, and don't remember much about Edward II. Haven't seen Aria or Caravaggio.
 
Tedious farce, The Pickwick Papers (1952) based on Dickens.
 
All of Jarman's films were made on a shoestring and I reckon he was sick with alcohol or AIDS on the later ones.

Matilda Swinton, IMHO, is the poor-mans-Vanessa-Redgrave and has those beady rabbit eyes like Geraldine McEwan.
 
I watched Die Welle yesterday, and thought it was pretty good. Just started Rosa Luxemburg by the wonderful Margarethe von Trotta.
 
pat grimshaw said:
All of Jarman's films were made on a shoestring and I reckon he was sick with alcohol or AIDS on the later ones.

Matilda Swinton, IMHO, is the poor-mans-Vanessa-Redgrave and has those beady rabbit eyes like Geraldine McEwan.
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You can blame Thatcher for the lack of budget, and her hatred for anything artistic.
What made you think he was an alcoholic? The HIV/AIDs certainly did play an effect by the end though, with him losing his sight. Although in some ways it led to one of the strangest and moving pieces of his art in Blue. I know you will probably hate it, but at the time AIDS was still something we did not talk about. So to see Channel Four and BBC3 do something like that was very moving.
Redgrave and Swinton (not sure why you called her Matilda, seeing as it's her credits always go down as Tilda) are quite different in my mind - both very fine actresses of very different films.
 
JohnnyA, are you familiar with Jarman's works? I'll add Blue to my list, is there anything else you think is especially good?
 
JohnnyAnger said:
...Swinton (not sure why you called her Matilda...
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Matilda is her real name. Cate Blanchette is another wannabe Vanessa Redgrave who's popular with US casting directors and Clooney at the moment.

JohnnyAnger said:
You can blame Thatcher for the lack of budget...
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What has she got to do with Jarman? She didn't finance Jarman's inexpensive films. Do you expect the government to pay for every scrap of art produced in each country? The BBC is very lavishly funded by the British taxpayers—

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...evamp-current-decor-not-inspiring-enough.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-iPads-800-MacBooks-staff-just-two-years.html

The fat, over-fed BBC Nabobs want lavish, "inspiring" offices while Jarman was dieing in a garret.
JohnnyAnger said:
...the strangest and moving pieces of his art in Blue...So to see Channel Four and BBC3 do something like that was very moving....
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Art is a two-way process of perceptions. What 'moves' you now may not move you in five years time.

I haven't seen Blue. But I was bored to pieces by Tempest, Jubilee, Carravaggio and Richard II which were all obviously, desperately PUNK and perverse and designed to shock the 1980s viewers and ignore the source material and remain ultimately soul-less and empty. The last two films were obviously photographed with a Super 8 camera inside inside a large cardboard box.

I bet you your next meal that if Jarman was still alive he'd be spending 5 million on each movie. Just like Greenaway.
 
Jarman's subsequent films appear pointedly perverse and deathly because Sebastiane, his first major one, was so erotic—

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I think we could fairly describe Sebastiane as deathly and perverse, too.
 
The Comebacks, and before that Saving Silverman and Ride Along.
 
zoltanspawn said:
JohnnyA, are you familiar with Jarman's works? I'll add Blue to my list, is there anything else you think is especially good?
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I have watched all his feature length films over the years and enjoyed all of them. I think the earlier stuff is better in a way. Jubilee is my personal favorite.

I can't really advise Blue in a way, as its a really experimental piece rather than a film. It was just as he had gone blind, so he put together music which played on BBC Radio 3 while a blue screen (his sight at that point) was played on Channel 4. It was shocking and out there, as all of Jarman's work is.
 
pat grimshaw said:
Matilda is her real name. Cate Blanchette is another wannabe Vanessa Redgrave who's popular with US casting directors and Clooney at the moment.
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Mathilda is her middle name, her real name is Katherine - Tilda is how she is credited in films because on the union.
 
pat grimshaw said:
What has she got to do with Jarman? She didn't finance Jarman's inexpensive films. Do you expect the government to pay for every scrap of art produced in each country? The BBC is very lavishly funded by the British taxpayers—
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While she has nothing particularly to do with Jarman per-say, she did kill the British film industry with the removal of the Eady Levy. Everyone use to film in the UK and turn large profits for the country, due to the fact risk was reduced. She did not like this either way, and took it away. This led to a massive period of decline we are only just coming out of due to tax breaks at least being offered. Not that these tax breaks help out people at the lower end of the scale mind.
 
pat grimshaw said:
Art is a two-way process of perceptions. What 'moves' you now may not move you in five years time.

I haven't seen Blue. But I was bored to pieces by Tempest, Jubilee, Carravaggio and Richard II which were all obviously, desperately PUNK and perverse and designed to shock the 1980s viewers and ignore the source material and remain ultimately soul-less and empty. The last two films were obviously photographed with a Super 8 camera inside inside a large cardboard box.

I bet you your next meal that if Jarman was still alive he'd be spending 5 million on each movie. Just like Greenaway.
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You might be right you might be wrong. I don't mind you dislike them at all, that is fine. I just said I enjoyed them, and wondered why you took to assuming that Jarman had a drinking problem.
 
The Texas Chainsaw (2013). Terrible acting job, bland film IMO, thank God there was a hottie (after I goggled) named Shaun Sipos LOL
 
JohnnyAnger said:
... the Eady Levy...
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That tax-break had to be renamed, rethought and reorganised because too much English cash was being given to American moguls wanting the subsidy to make product like—

Alien.

Superman

Mission Impossible.

Small films like Jarman's were missing out. But I firmly reckon Thatcher provided a useful focus for his all-consuming anger in Jubilee and his other angry punk-Shakespeare efforts.
 
pat grimshaw said:
That tax-break had to be renamed, rethought and reorganised because too much English cash was being given to American moguls wanting the subsidy to make product like—

Alien.

Superman

Mission Impossible.

Small films like Jarman's were missing out. But I firmly reckon Thatcher provided a useful focus for his all-consuming anger in Jubilee and his other angry punk-Shakespeare efforts.
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Tax breaks and subsidiaries do increase local productions though, look at the German industry following the introduction of the DFFF. Not only do they make money out of the big Hollywood films coming to town (large % of the money have to be spent in Germany, as well as the employment it brings and keeps), but it also produces a huge flourish local industry. Before the recent success out of Germany they had very few directors known outside of D-A-CH and the wider Deutscher Sprachraum - maybe Herzog, Haneke and a few other New Wave directors for people who like that sort of thing. But since then they have had huge international hits.

You are right the anger did fuel everything good in this country for a number of years, so I guess if that is her legacy so be it.

My last film was the glorious Rosa Luxemburg by Margarethe von Trotta
 
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