the latest Israel-Palistine conflicts ...

[Kulindahr]

Hence the partition plan of 1948 being so oddly drawn. It was to reflect the Jewish settlements you mentioned. But an odd design for a country. Also was the area really Arab controlled under the Ottoman Empire and British rule afterward?

Another excellent point.

Part of the problem is that there were forces at work whipping up all that non-Jewish mix to look forward to wiping out the Jews and making the whole area their own country. When that failed... and failed... and failed...

What gets me is that they didn't turn on the ones who left them in the lurch, but "stayed the course".

 

[Telstra]

59 kids 'done', many many more to go ~_^

its a war!!!. War is madness.
Hopefully they will sort it out soon.

Both sides are so stubborn, especially Hamas (they want to fight until the last man standing?)

 

[Kulindahr]

its a war!!!. War is madness.
Hopefully they will sort it out soon.

Both sides are so stubborn, especially Hamas (they want to fight until the last man standing?)

Yes, and they include the whole world in that, even the Islamic countries they don't think are "zealous" enough.

 

[Persian89]

its a war!!!. War is madness.
Hopefully they will sort it out soon.

Both sides are so stubborn, especially Hamas (they want to fight until the last man standing?)

Hey I didn't say anything I just said it's awesome and there should be a game about the situation in a distant future.
Never played as IDF before, would be pretty cool.

 

[Telstra]

Hey I didn't say anything I just said it's awesome and there should be a game about the situation in a distant future.
Never played as IDF before, would be pretty cool.

yeah i know you didn't say anything, but i know who you are supporting.

Especially your username "Persia or Iran"

 

[manofsummer]

What a load of bullshit.
500 mostly 100 of them children...and yet you have the guts to defend Israel?
I guess Americans only consider Israelis as human beings?

Both sides are comitting crimes, but let's not forget the root cause of all this mess : Occupation.
It's Israel that brought all this upon itself when it invaded Palestine. Fact: Thousands of Jews migrated to Palestine since 1930
And to the one who considered Palestinians as terrorists, I advise you to turn off FOX news or request a list of Israeli crimes from Human Rights Watch. I can tell you it's way longer than the Palestinian list.

 

[HenryReardon]

Both sides are comitting crimes, but let's not forget the root cause of all this mess : Occupation.
It's Israel that brought all this upon itself when it invaded Palestine. Fact: Thousands of Jews migrated to Palestine since 1930
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What a load of bullshit indeed. The root cause of all this is a religion based upon hate - Islam.

Israel could hardly have invaded Palestine - there is no such place. Get a grip on reality and study history.

 

[Kulindahr]

Both sides are comitting crimes, but let's not forget the root cause of all this mess : Occupation.
It's Israel that brought all this upon itself when it invaded Palestine. Fact: Thousands of Jews migrated to Palestine since 1930

Migration = invasion?

There wasn't an Israel in 1930, there were Jews going to a territory and legally buying property and legally settling and legally making their lands, the ones the sellers had thought worthless, productive and prosperous.
Their neighbors decided to kill them all, so they fought back. They made a nation from what their enemies had meant to be wreckage, and made that nation prosper, and their enemies keep on attacking -- and they still fight back.

This has been a single war since 1948. Israel is still fighting the same enemy.

 

[manofsummer]

Israel has no right to exist. Period.
So what if God promised them this land? The Bible is not a legal document.

Palestinians did not migrate by thousands from Russia and USA. They inhabited the land for years. How do you expect them to react when Jewish migrants take their homes and force them out of their land? Why should Arabs absorbe Palestinians into their countries?
The Palestinians have their own identity, they have their own dialect and own culture.
Enough with the bullshit already. You Americans are brainwashed to think USA & Israel are the good guys, and that Iran is the axis of evil. When was the last time Iran attacked another country? Why did the USA back Saddam in his illegal war against Iran?
If anything, it's Iran that has the right to fear the USA.

Why don't you admit you're an Islamophobe who'll always side against Muslims, wether they're right or wrong?

Conclusion: As long as Israel exist, everything the Palestinians do is justified. No one would welcome a thief into his home.

 

[Kulindahr]

Considering that there are a million people living in Gaza and 500 are dead 84% Hamas militants (according to Israel), after 1000 targets have been bombed in 8 days, I'd call that a very poor attempt at massacring by IDF. If the intent was to massacre Palestinian civilians the entire world knows Israel's capability to do so in days.

That's an excellent point. When people scream about Israel slaughtering civilians, they forget that given Israel's capabilities, they're full of it. If Israel wanted to slaughter civilians, the death toll would be 500, but 50,000 -- in a day. If they were into terror, they could provide it: fuel-air bombs right down the middle of the Strip.

One thousand targets in eight days = 125 targets per day. Israel easily has the capacity to kill 100 people per target. That the actual count is 0.5 per target says loudly for anyone with a brain that these guys are very, very good at minimizing deaths.

 

[manofsummer]

If Israel wanted to slaughter civilians, the death toll would not be 500, but 50,000 -- in a day.

Oh, thank you for keeping it to a minimum. You're too kind, it breaks my heart.

 

[Kulindahr]

Israel has no right to exist. Period.
So what if God promised them this land? The Bible is not a legal document.

The only way that position can be held is if you hold hatred of Jews above international law.

Palestinians did not migrate by thousands from Russia and USA. They inhabited the land for years. How do you expect them to react when Jewish migrants take their homes and force them out of their land? Why should Arabs absorbe Palestinians into their countries?

No Jews took Arab or Persian folks' lands until those folks cooperated with the invaders bent on genocide, then fled when the promises they'd been given failed to come to pass. For all those who stayed, their property was still theirs, and they were citizens of Israel.
Today there is a problem with the settlements, with people pushed off their land without consent, but that's a detail compared to the broad brush you're sweeping with.
Why should Arabs let Arabs into their countries? Well, because they made promises and commitments, for one thing, and when their war of extermination kept getting balked, they turned their backs on their brothers. They caused the refugee situation, so they're responsible for ending it -- and that not by continuing their sixty-year-long war, but by turning from violence, recognizing human rights, teaching their people to live in peace, and inviting into their countries all the refugees they generated.

Conclusion: As long as Israel exist, everything the Palestinians do is justified. No one would welcome a thief into his home.

That's not a conclusion, it's a wild, propaganda-driven claim from diseased minds. It's saying, "We want to commit genocide, because we decided we don't like these neighbors who came peacefully, so we can do anything we want as long as our enemy remains."

If Israel followed the "reasoning" you give when they look at the refugee territories, there wouldn't be a Gaza Strip, there wouldn't be a 'West Bank', there wouldn't be any refugees, because Israel would just line up the tanks and drive the length of Gaza, maybe letting anyone who could run fast enough make it to Egypt, and then they'd herd their enemies out of the hole in their country as well.

 

[Shafted]

Conclusion: As long as Israel exist, everything the Palestinians do is justified. No one would welcome a thief into his home.

Sorry, but you can't justify wanton violence on either side. That land is gonna be there long after we're all dead. It's in your children's best interest that they learn to live in peace with their neighbors. Perhaps it'll be your children who teach you that a peaceful co-existence is possible.

 

[Persian89]

Hey a bit off topic, I couldnt find anything on google.
What are they called?
I found some clips on Youtube though..
What is the Israeli counterparts of the Us Navy Seals or the british SaS?
I take it Mossad is just like CIA?

 

[Kulindahr]

Hey a bit off topic, I couldnt find anything on google.
What are they called?
I found some clips on Youtube though..
What is the Israeli counterparts of the Us Navy Seals or the british SaS?
I take it Mossad is just like CIA?

I think Israel once had the SDS, Special Defense Services, but I don't know if that's current. Maybe I'll look in a bit.....



edit: here's something interesting: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/sayerot.html

and another: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/special.html

 

[manofsummer]

Sorry, but you can't justify wanton violence on either side. That land is gonna be there long after we're all dead. It's in your children's best interest that they learn to live in peace with their neighbors. Perhaps it'll be your children who teach you that a peaceful co-existence is possible.

I find it ironic that Americans are now preaching about peace.
How did the USA react to 9/11? Did they remain passive or launch a full scale war on Iraq? I agree that was is not in anyone's interest. But It's a joke to think Israel want peace. It's not Hamas that provoked this war. Israel has been imposing a blockade on Gazans, starving them to death. Hamas is just reacting to the blockadge. I condemn violence on both sides, but as far as I know, it's Palestinians that are getting killed at this moment.


Have you ever checked the casualties of the last Israel-Lebanon war?

Israel: 43 civilians dead, 120 militants dead.
Lebanon: 1,191 civilians dead, 46 militants dead.

It goes to show how much Israelis respect human life.

 

[Kulindahr]

Have you ever checked the casualties of the last Israel-Lebanon war?

Israel: 43 civilians dead, 120 militants dead.
Lebanon: 1,191 civilians dead, 46 militants dead.

It goes to show how much Israelis respect human life.

Yes, it does. If the "Palestinians" had had that much force available and were conducting the same operations against Israel, the tolls would have been more like this:

Israel: 43,000 civilians dead, 1200 soldiers dead
Lebanon: 1,191,000 civilians dead, 4600 soldiers dead.

And if that had happened, Arabs and other Muslims around the world would be dancing in the streets.

Israel gets condemned when it does a good job of avoiding civilian casualties, but the "Palestinians" get cried over and comforted for killing ten times as many.

 

[naked gent]

What a load of bullshit indeed. The root cause of all this is a religion based upon hate - Islam.

As I stated in my post #46 the Ottomans were as muslim as anyone in the middle east but they too had difficultly governing the arabs.

Agree or disagree but in the arab view their land was stolen and there's very little evidence that its because these people are jewish that they are objecting.

They didn't much like the british either.

And historically speaking european jews received far worse treatment from the christians in europe than the jews who were living in arab lands received from the muslims.

 

[HenryReardon]

And historically speaking european jews received far worse treatment from the christians in europe than the jews who were living in arab lands received from the muslims.

If you can believe some of the headlines - anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe today.

 

[MystikWizard]

If you can believe some of the headlines - anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe today.

Seems to be starting here in the States, as well, from what I observed.

I don't know if it is as much Anti-Semitism, as the country just feels the same way I do ... in that it is not a War our country has any business being a part of. It is not our War to fight.

If Israel wants to eliminate Hamas, let them. If they want to attack Iran, then let them. But the catch is, they have to bear any and all consequences that follow, and I'm sure they are prepared to do so.

My position simply is to stay out of the affair, don't take sides, and let them do what they feel like they have to do.