The next pandemic: DETRANSITIONERS!

[LeicsDom]

I was listening to a few FTM detransitioners and what came up the most was coming of age feeling oppressed by gender expectations and struggling with mental health in general.

And of course changing sex does not address either issues
While there are a very small minority that have genuine gender dysphoria or other medical reasons to transition, the vast majority have the wrong reasons for wanting to change

 

[PipRosi]

Holy leap to false conclusions, Batman!

 

[unloadonme]

Having said that, I do believe that a more androgynous society with less emphasis placed on gender difference (which is mostly for cynical commodification purposes anyway) would lead to far fewer cases of gender dysphoria.

I'm all in favour of gender difference. I don't want sagging tits and a vast arse and I don't look for it in my men. Vive la difference!

 

[PipRosi]

Hey now. Disrespect your mama bring baaaad ju-ju, my friend.

 

[Latimer]

The transgender activist lobby and their useful idiot friends keep telling us that hormonal treatment and re-assignment surgery are necessary to prevent suicide. However, I understand that the suicide rate for transgender men and women who've had surgery is substantially higher than for those who've not.

That said, isn't the NHS perpetually short of money? Don't they have better uses for their (that is, your) money? This should be in the category of cosmetic surgery, which I assume the NHS is not required to pay for.

 

[LeicsDom]

The transgender activist lobby and their useful idiot friends keep telling us that hormonal treatment and re-assignment surgery are necessary to prevent suicide. However, I understand that the suicide rate for transgender men and women who've had surgery is substantially higher than for those who've not.

That is my view exactly

 

[Zeno Lorea]

I was listening to a few FTM detransitioners and what came up the most was coming of age feeling oppressed by gender expectations and struggling with mental health in general.

Indeed! Struggling with demons, people sometimes stray on a "what if" path and only when they are in too deep they realize that the real problems haven't gone away.

It is often said that transgender people have a high suicide rate. But maybe suicidal people just have a high rate of gender dysphoria, real or imagined?

 

[DepravedMuscleFTL]

Interesting, although these two don't appear to blame their now regretted transitioning on their doctors. Transitioning is a huge decision and it's inevitable that some people will regret their decision to go through with it.

exactly - it's like getting a tattoo

the grass is always greener on the other side - and transitioning also fits in the until you walk in another persons shoes clause - no matter how much on thinks that they are trans they have no idea what it is really like until they transition - there should be required/encouraged test runs - a person seeking surgery should have to live as the desired sex for several years during the counseling period - wearing prosthetics and doing all the difficult stuff like coming out BEFORE the transition - the family - work - community - you may not be able to undo all that stuff if it goes awry but you can move to a new community and start over but you can't undo the surgery...

 

[Alistair]

It’s not any of my business what they do. Guys wearing fingernail polish, dressing like the opposite gender, getting tattoos, getting abortions or transitioning back and forth 10 times. It’s just none of my business what someone does with their body.

 

[Kahaih]

It’s not any of my business what they do. Guys wearing fingernail polish, dressing like the opposite gender, getting tattoos, getting abortions or transitioning back and forth 10 times. It’s just none of my business what someone does with their body.

Except, many of the people who do things on your list do them to get your attention- to make it your business.

And, if they are getting ripped off or in any way damaged in the process, shouldn't you be concerned about them?

 

[Zeno Lorea]

exactly - it's like getting a tattoo

the grass is always greener on the other side - and transitioning also fits in the until you walk in another persons shoes clause - no matter how much on thinks that they are trans they have no idea what it is really like until they transition - there should be required/encouraged test runs - a person seeking surgery should have to live as the desired sex for several years during the counseling period - wearing prosthetics and doing all the difficult stuff like coming out BEFORE the transition - the family - work - community - you may not be able to undo all that stuff if it goes awry but you can move to a new community and start over but you can't undo the surgery...

Precisely. It should be a process of years, not months. And it should happen AFTER EIGHTEEN. I cannot support the idea of putting confused kids on puberty blockers. How can anyone who hasn't even experienced puberty of their own sex decide they want to become the other sex? A boy cannot become a woman this way, and he will also never become a man. He will be a sexless, sterile creature. He will be, at the very most, an ex-boy.

 

[Peloso]

Precisely. It should be a process of years, not months. And it should happen AFTER EIGHTEEN. I cannot support the idea of putting confused kids on puberty blockers. How can anyone who hasn't even experienced puberty of their own sex decide they want to become the other sex? A boy cannot become a woman this way, and he will also never become a man. He will be a sexless, sterile creature. He will be, at the very most, an ex-boy.

Well said. But I think this post should be deleted before "ex-boy" becomes the next trendy gender of the week.

 

[EddMarkStarr]

There's something I find very curious about people who assume every decision is reversible.

Imagine if there really is a "Do-Over Dimension", Rod Serling is there waiting to be a guide!

 

[KaraBulut]

Wait 'till people start transitioning into their favorite game or anime characters.

I think that ship sailed a long time ago.

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It’s not any of my business what they do. Guys wearing fingernail polish, dressing like the opposite gender, getting tattoos, getting abortions or transitioning back and forth 10 times. It’s just none of my business what someone does with their body.

I have the same attitude... it is their body. The only thing that bothers me is that too much of this is being driven by social media and not by evidence-based medical practice.

There's already countries that muddle sexual orientation with gender without a solid scientific basis. It's problematic when surgery and hormone therapy makes the changes not reversible:

 

[Zeno Lorea]

^Yes, that video shows that Trans Rights Activism is just rehashed homophobia. "Pray the gay away" is now "trans the gay away"

 

[Zeno Lorea]

We're a pretty androgenous species. We just have radically different garments and hairstyles for both sexes in many cases.

Oh yes, and TRA is just a form of homophobic gender conformity.

 

[Samuelor]

And of course changing sex does not address either issues
While there are a very small minority that have genuine gender dysphoria or other medical reasons to transition, the vast majority have the wrong reasons for wanting to change

I agree with this. And even if it helps for ppl with gender dysphoria, that's still a mental issue and not an hormonal one :/

 

[Zeno Lorea]

I agree with this. And even if it helps for ppl with gender dysphoria, that's still a mental issue and not an hormonal one :/

So true, so obvious and yet so taboo.

Incredible isn't it?

 

[PipRosi]

Y'all are possibly missing the part where the transgendered brain and sometimes body/chromosomes shows evidence of the "other" sex.

Watch this vid and tell me that this guy is not meant to be a man:

And traumatizing events (like the Allied firebombing of civilians in Dresden, Germany or starvation) effected the pregnant women to the point that they gave birth to more transgendered children. (Learned about this in abnormal psych).

I put 'other' sex because I find all the otherizing to be a shame. Things like gender and sex should be treated as a kaleidoscope rainbow spectrum, one that's protected from societal bullying, and simply celebrated, not used to divide, label, categorize, over-define. A club, a brand etc. When I said that 'detransitioners' felt oppressed by gender norms and struggled with mental health, I was speaking with complete understanding. Oppressive gender norms are sick and traumatizing. And there's not nearly enough attention paid to general well-being, or children's rights. It's not the fault of actual bona fide transgendered people that our sick society produces confused young people who want to escape into the "other" gender, then find they still are struggling mentally. I mean, you have U.S. states kicking girls out of the prom for wearing a tux instead of a dress. Issues much?

I'll leave off the rant against capitalism and patriarchy for now.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

It’s not any of my business what they do. Guys wearing fingernail polish, dressing like the opposite gender, getting tattoos, getting abortions or transitioning back and forth 10 times. It’s just none of my business what someone does with their body.

This ALL DAY LONG. I've always been rather repulsed by people who go out of their way to judge others. More often than not it seems to be a projection of their own misery.

Trans are low-hanging fruit, not sure if that pun was intended. Been a hellish day and I'm not even high yet.