The next pandemic: DETRANSITIONERS!

[belamyi]

Reminds me of a line by the late Barry Humphries, who referred to modern comedians who "self-identify as funny".

Modern comedians self-identify as funny, old ones simply [try to] pretend they are.

 

[rareboy]

Reminds me of a line by the late Barry Humphries, who referred to modern comedians who "self-identify as funny".

No one would grasp this as personally from his own experience in the final years of his fading career as Barry Humphries.

 

[belamyi]

Wait, how come that I had erased (don't think skipped) the memory of the dumping of D Edna?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Still trying to figure out why you felt the need to resurrect this thread.

You have no point to prove...just some axe that seems to need grinding. See my reply to your (re)-opening post.

If the point still is flying too far above your head, then ask yourself why you think you have a more legitimate right to self-identification than other people you don't actually know and who do not interfere with your life in any way.

Because some demographics just don't feel alive unless they're crushing someone else-- usually shooting ducks in a barrel.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

And of course changing sex does not address either issues
While there are a very small minority that have genuine gender dysphoria or other medical reasons to transition, the vast majority have the wrong reasons for wanting to change

Yes, and that is why the numbers of detransitioners are increasing so rapidly. Until about 2015, people had to take years of therapy as an adult before beginning a transition, now kids are being sent on that path.

There's a great quote about this by no less than Helen Joyce:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1677759118218502144

 

[KaraBulut]

Yes, and that is why the numbers of detransitioners are increasing so rapidly.

It would seem that an increase in people undergoing transition would be accompanied by an increase in people undergoing detransition?

Percentage-wise, I've never seen a research study that had more than 10% of people in the study who detransitioned... although the definition of "transition" and "detransition" are so loose these days that I'm not sure that anyone has a clear picture of what is happening.

 

[rareboy]

Yes, and that is why the numbers of detransitioners are increasing so rapidly. Until about 2015, people had to take years of therapy as an adult before beginning a transition, now kids are being sent on that path.

There's a great quote about this by no less than Helen Joyce:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1677759118218502144

Again....why do you care? Does this somehow personally affect you?

Even Elon Musk has told J.K. Rowling to move on.

When I read a statement like "the vast majority have the wrong reasons for wanting to change" coming from a homosexual whose very nature and existence was not validated and in fact, illegal in England until relatively recently and then you making the leap in logic that it is proven by an increase in de-transitioning....I honestly have to just roll my eyes and shake my head.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

It would seem that an increase in people undergoing transition would be accompanied by an increase in people undergoing detransition?

Percentage-wise, I've never seen a research study that had more than 10% of people in the study who detransitioned... although the definition of "transition" and "detransition" are so loose these days that I'm not sure that anyone has a clear picture of what is happening.

Um, no. For five decades, the number of transitions increased while detransitioning didn't. It wasn't a thing, so to speak.

The most famous study used by T activist to claimsthat only 1% detransition was a Dutch study where 31% of patients were "lost to follow-up" which could range from relocating over detransitioning to... you know, the worst possible outcome.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

 

[belamyi]

So by "trans rights" she means "trans activists".

Yea, activism "is a bitch": the modern, "democratic" version of good old proselitism/missionaries, filling the gap left by secularisation.

 

[KaraBulut]

Um, no. For five decades, the number of transitions increased while detransitioning didn't. It wasn't a thing, so to speak.

You'll need to offer more research studies. Having worked at a couple of academic medical centers with transgender clinics, until recently it was a very long and arduous process to transition. Those programs were very successful and had very low "regret" ratios because of the long process and intensive therapy involved. That has changed recently with increases in the "medicalization" of gender transition and there is a significant shortage of mental health professionals who have experience with gender issues.

It's worth noting that the Russians have been pouring millions of dollars into "research" about gay men and transsexuals. It's important to know who is sponsoring the research.

I suspect that there are studies that will disclose the reasons behind detransitioning, particularly amount male to female transition and it follows a time-delay that follows the arc of increases by several years in similar to proportions to past studies. The reasons will likely be exogenous: family pressure, employment issues, societal pressure, et al. For example, there are some studies from Iran where gay men are pressured to have reassignment surgery by the government, however the only employment opportunity for them post-surgery is to work as prostitutes. That's hardly an unbiased population for a research study... unless you're the Russian government.

My personal opinion is that there hasn't been enough objective studies done on the subject.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

I suspect that there are studies that will disclose the reasons behind detransitioning, particularly amount male to female transition and it follows a time-delay that follows the arc of increases by several years in similar to proportions to past studies. The reasons will likely be exogenous: family pressure, employment issues, societal pressure, et al.

Funny how so many people assume that detransitioning is due to external factors like peer pressure, family pressure, societal pressure... But transitioning never is.

 

[belamyi]

Funny how so many people assume that detransitioning is due to external factors like peer pressure, family pressure, societal pressure... But transitioning never is.

Funny how so many people consider transitioning a disruption, perversion and abomination... But not detransitioning.

 

[rareboy]

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This is such bullshit.

Now substitute homosexual for Trans.

There are still a lot of people who think that gay rights impact their freedom of speech, freedom of belief, the rights of straights and child safe-guarding.

They are also wrong and unable to cite actual cases where this is so.

This is all about personal bias.

 

[KaraBulut]

Funny how so many people assume that detransitioning is due to external factors like peer pressure, family pressure, societal pressure... But transitioning never is.

Again, cite the research.

 

[unloadonme]

Funny how so many people consider transitioning a disruption, perversion and abomination... But not detransitioning.

Really? If a person considers that changing from A to B is a bad thing, then presumably changing back to A again would be welcomed by that person.

 

[belamyi]

Really? If a person considers that changing from A to B is a bad thing, then presumably changing back to A again would be welcomed by that person.

If what a person really opposes is pressure, said person would not care about favouring transitioning or detransitioning.

 

[rareboy]

More about Sall Grover's axe to grind....explains why she is such a vocal TERF.

Sall Grover - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[belamyi]

Does it? ^

 

[rareboy]

Does it? ^

I think it does...obviously always an exclusionary radical feminist with here girls only club....but I now understand why she is so vocal since her literal exclusion of a trans woman ended up court.

Had this not become a lightning rod to draw attention to her 'safe space' app 'Giggle'...she would just be another vendor of a low use platform for a niche audience.

Lucky her though...she is able to monetize her rage.