The Official "Big Brother 10" Discussion Thread!

[Lostlover]

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Yet "faggot" was OK for him. Ollie is a piece of shit and I hope he gets evicted during the FF ep so he can go to sequester and help April pee on a stick to see if she's pregnant.

He's mocked himself. He has no respect for himself. I can't get worked up over anything he or Jessie says.

I really don't think they know better too.

 

[Lostlover]

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Well that's an ignorant expectation. Your faith is a personal choice and no one should hold another person to a higher standard because of it.

Also, there are no "higher standards" on a trashy reality show where you're trying to win money.

Finally, Dan never used his religion to say he was more honest in the house. Natalie did that last season and that's why she pissed us off. She made it sound like her team was more righteous because they had Christ -- Dan never did that. He only talked about it in relation to his personal beliefs and his life outside the game.

It was Jerry who made a big stink about it in the game.

Of course, but when you make an issue out of it even in the slightest (this is a tv game show, it's not like being stationed in Iraq), it becomes fair game to people especially to people who feel you're not being as pious as you claim to be.

I personally wouldn't attack someone's religious convictions. That's a no-go for me just like Memphis. But not everyone is so considerate.

I'm sure Dan's the only one that doesn't drink or curse in the house. Sadly, abstaining from those practices gives off the image that you're trying to be as "moral" (hey I've been called a Mormon for not drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes). So someone desperate like Jerry will use that against Dan. Or an irate Ollie if he feels lied to.

It's best to just leave religion to yourself. Mentioning you're a Catholic teacher can only do harm to you on a reality TV show.

Like it's best not to tell the story about when you lied to your girlfriend. It's not really needed and can only come back to bite you in the ass.

Because like Dan's religion, he said it not expecting it to be used against him.

 

[Lostlover]

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Except if you saw the feeds this evening, you'd know that he has already ingratiated himself back into Renny/Keesha/Memphis' good graces and Jerry and Ollie already had a convo alone where they agreed that Memphis had to go before Dan. So if Ollie or Jerry win HOH next and put the two boys up, Memphis is likely to be evicted unless he wins POV.

Funny how Dan keeps doing these sneaky things and manages to either
1) Get right back on peoples' good sides or
2) Place himself next to a larger target.

And you still say he's not playing? He's done this Lazarus thing like three times already (post-Brian, post-Jessie and now post-nominating Michelle) and he's still going strong. If that's not amazingly robust social gameplay, I don't know what is.

From where I sit, Dan and Keesha have outplayed the house the best in terms of careful strategic moves and forging alliances to protect themselves from elimination. They've both done things to piss people off and still managed each time to walk away looking blameless OR diverting the attention unto another player (Keesha was able to place the blame squarely on Libra's shoulders, and Dan is able to deflect his own target with Memphis' larger target).

Memphis is a close second to Keesha and Dan in terms of his own good gameplay.

Most deserving F3 in terms of social strategy (i.e. actual gameplay?)
Dan/Keesha/Memphis

Most Likely F3 given BB history and Allison Grodner's insidious manipulation?
Jerry/Ollie/whoever remains. I won't even care of this happens.

Dan's no Dr. Will. He's not nearly as manipulative as Will.

I think Memphis would rather have Dan on his side than not at this point. But I have a feeling, when the time comes, he will ditch Dan quickly.

That guy truly is a wild card. And even though he's in an alliance with Memphis, Keesha and sorta Renny, there is that lingering concern that he is a plant.

I think what you saw with Renny were raw emotions. She might have kissed and made up with Dan, but her feelings were real. I feel that alliance is weaker than it looks.

Last I checked, Renny really hated Memphis and she's doesn't full trust Dan.

I agree totally. I see Jerry going far. He's not going this week. Manchelle is. Jerry's seen as non-threatening because of his age (why do you think he won the first HOH).

Jerry has two things going for him, that if I were a cast member, I'd love to be in the final two going against him.

1) People are genuinely sick of his snide and petty remarks
2) He's weak at competitions (physical or mental). No way in hell does he win the final mega-HOH. So essentially it's 1 versus 1 instead of 1 versus 2 at the final HOH.

 

[Lostlover]

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First off, Dan's religion is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the game. He's never promised anyone that he won't lie or play the game just because he's Catholic. He did, however, say that he would try to refrain from cursing, drinking, having sex in the house, etc. Does he curse? Somewhat. Does he drink? I've seen him have a beer. Does that make him a terrible person? No. You can be a "moral" person and still make mistakes. There's not a damn person walking this earth who's perfect, and I've never heard Dan claim himself as such.

All game-related decisions are completely irrelevant because, like I said, he never promised anyone that he'd go through the game without lying. Another thing that's interesting to note... Dan has never shoved his beliefs on anyone. He doesn't walk around the house preaching from the Bible like Natalie did last season. He's not banging it over anybody's head or claiming to be holier-than-thou or better than anyone because of his beliefs. Shit, he doesn't even talk about it unless someone asks him about it. So I don't see how Dan's using his religion to further himself in the game. Now, if idiots like Ollie want to believe that Dan's never going to lie or stab him in the back just because he's religious, then that's Ollie's stupidity.

At the end of the day, this is a game. Play or get played. Unfortunately for Ollie, he's spent all this time not playing... so his ass got played.

For me, the difference between Dan and Ollie is this: Ollie's making it personal. Calling Memphis a "faggot" and telling him to suck his dick... calling Dan an "undercover faggot." Threatening physical violence and destroying property. All of that is taking it just a bit too far. If Ollie could take all of that energy and channel it into the game, I could respect him. But he's letting his anger get the best of him and he's just falling apart, making attacks and statements that are completely personal when it's JUST. A. GAME. I can't and won't respect that.

Plus, let's not forget, Ollie's the preacher's son and claims to be a "good boy," too. Not cursing, not drinking, chanting that gays will burn in hell. Why is it okay for "religious Ollie" to pull schemes and lies in the game, but it's not okay for Dan? Just last night, he was accusing Dan of being the one who came up with the plot two weeks ago to save Libra at the last minute, when that was really him and April's plan. I mean, shit! If you're going to pull schemes and try to play the game, more power to ya. But at least be man enough to own your shit.

You're speaking to the choir. I know this.

But a lot of people don't (see Jerry, see Ollie, etc). They can't distinguish the player Dan from Catholic school teacher.

This is why I was saying that he should have kept it to himself. It can only be bad for him.

I think the reason Jameka got as far as she did was because people actually believed she wouldn't lie to them and she was non-threatening. Dan doesn't have this going. Paranoid Libra was onto Dan with the AP thing. Dan's cover has been blown. He's definitely not under the radar. Even in his own alliance, I'd argue he has some legitimate issues to iron out with Renny and Memphis.

Again, Ollie has no respect from anyone in that house or America. He's made himself impotent by being a walking, talking, breathing, eating, farting hypocrite.

And lastly, BB producers love the threats of physical violence. This is bullshit. I have a feeling like when Dick was on BB8, Tuesday or Thursday night will be shows with vignettes dedicated to an asshole like Ollie much like Dick had that season dedicated to him.



BB producers love the fighting. And we're even going to hear Dick's guitar solo. You know, that BB guitar that would strum at the beginning of every Dick tirade from BB8.

This makes for "great" TV.

PS: It's not okay for Ollie to make homophobic remarks. But I'd argue to you that he isn't religious. And two, why take someone so hypocritical at anything more than face value? Dan actually has some integrity. Ollie doesn't.

 

[Lostlover]

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Thank you SoapSkank You said it very well!

God, I don't know what to say LostLover You tell me I treat you unfairly or with disrespect and when I try to answer you in a logical, calm way, you just go right back and say things I didn't say. I didn't say Dan was Will. In fact in another post I clearly said no one is as good as Will. But I made some valid points about his gameplay and you quoted my post and then...didn't really reply to anything in it.

And what does it matter if the alliance is shaky? Who cares? They don't have to love each other, they just have to have a common goal and in this case, it's a F4 goal. After that. all bets are off. They all understand this.

We can be friends outside this forum topic, but you and I probably shouldn't talk about BB. Because, I dunno, it's frustrating to have someone reply and basically ignore everything I said. And I can't do it, I dunno. I can't respond to that kind of circular logic and erratic argument. I can't think like a crazy person.

We're talking friendly tonight. I don't see what the problem is. Talking to you and Soap tonight is not like our past convos.

I can live with this. I think we're all listening to one another and being respectful.

I don't know what time it is there, but I was supposed to be in bed two hours ago. It's 3:47 here. Will respond in greater detail tomorrow.

 

[Lostlover]

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JESUS H CHRIST ON A STICK!



He didn't make an issue of it! That's the point we're trying to make. He didn't claim to be pious or anything of the sort. What is he supposed to do? NOT mention that he's a Catholic school teacher when people ask him what he does or ask him about his life?? That's absurd!

You're ascribing negative connotations to what it means to be Catholic (an affectation of piety for example) -- NOT ALL CATHOLIC PEOPLE MEAN THIS WHEN THEY SAY THEY ARE CATHOLIC.

God, we've had this conversation before. Honestly, it's like talking to a crazy person.

We've been here before Estragon, I recognize that tree.

As I said before, I (that's the key word) wouldn't mention that I was a Catholic school teacher. People will use it against you (like Jerry or Ollie) even when they have absolutely no point.

No good can come from it. And it's not really needed.

I wouldn't want my religion thrown up to me every time I might have bended the truth in the house.

 

[Lostlover]

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OK, but sweetie who cares what they think?? Seriously! When Dan first came into the house and NON CRAZY PEOPLE like Memphis or Brian or Angie asked him what he did for a living or asked him about his life, was he supposed to lie? Not answer? Make something up? We can't create universal maxims because of what stupid or crazy people might do.

If Dan didn't think "Ooh I should hide this right away!" it's probably because he logically -- like any sane person -- assumed it wouldn't be a big deal as long as he didn't make a big deal out of it. He probably didn't foresee this happening because he can't think like a crazy person.

I can relate to that sentiment.]

In the real world, I'd say eff them and mean it.

But these losers actually can make or break you. They can actually take money out my pocket. You need to care what they think about you.

You know what they say in politics. If you repeat a lie so many times eventually people will believe it. Jerry's tirades made him even more of an ass to the house guests. But all they did, IMO, were plant seeds of doubt about Dan.

 

[Lostlover]

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What does his religion have to do with bigoted remarks? Bigotry is bigotry, I don't care who it comes from.

And whether Dan has more integrity or not isn't the point. Should Ollie then be given a free pass to act like a jackass and a moron? If he's gonna do that then he'd better believe people are gonna call him a jackass and a moron.

Ollie's not given a free pass. I don't respect Ollie enough to care what he says. If he wasn't on BB, he'd be just another babbling fool.

Ollie is a clown to me. A 27 year old kid. He's just too fucked up in the head to be taken seriously.

It's the same with Jessie. Jessie actually thought he could explain anti-Semitic and anti-gay remarks.

Bigotry is bigotry. I couldn't be friends with any of these bigots nor do I have respect for them.

I can't get worked up over these two. If people watching them don't know them for what they're worth, it says something sad about them. (Jessie actually had supporters calling in to him on House Calls. What does that say about them? Nothing good)

 

[Lostlover]

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We're seriously not gonna make headway here. He's just gonna repeat the same point over and over. It's the tactic they use when they can't debunk an argument.

I think we're more in agreement than you think. I'm not trying to debunk what you think as I agree with about 85% of it. I think you should leave religion out of a reality show. You seem to feel that it shouldn't matter if you mention it (which I said I agree with, but it does matter to the other house guests like a Jerry or Ollie).

I gotta go to bed.

 

[falconfan]

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Hey, Nik, what do you make of Dan going against his word? Especially considering he put his promise on Monica.

I know it's a game, but for someone so religious how can Dan easily lie like that?

Can you really trust someone like that?

Or will he get a pass?

Jameka talked the talk and walked the walk. Dan's flipping and flopping and going against his word was never a problem Jameka encountered. I guess one of them was honest. And the other is a bullshit artist.

For once I agree with Surge. What kind of player gives up his powers as HOH and then goes back on the deal that got him to HOH in the first place? And for that person to be a man of God too.

He only swore on Monica he wouldn't put Ollie up. He opened with that and then swore on Monica. And then added all the other stuff.

And the question of morality in this game is something that I think is ridiculous. The way I look at it is that it's like poker. You work with the cards you're given and if you have to bluff well that's part of the game and everyone should know that.

 

[falconfan]

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I'm sure Dan's the only one that doesn't drink or curse in the house. Sadly, abstaining from those practices gives off the image that you're trying to be as "moral" (hey I've been called a Mormon for not drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes). So someone desperate like Jerry will use that against Dan. Or an irate Ollie if he feels lied to.

It's best to just leave religion to yourself. Mentioning you're a Catholic teacher can only do harm to you on a reality TV show.

A.) Dan works at a Catholic school and that's a fact. There's no reason he shouldn't just mention facts.

B.) Dan DOES drink he just does so discreetly. He does it so his student don't see him drinking. They're all aware of this so no one is under the impression he's abstaining from anything.

C.) Abstaining from cursing and alcohol has nothing to do with Catholicism and "morality" anyway. If you think anyone who doesn't drink must be religious and moral than you need expand your world view my friend. I've explained this before in this thread. As a Catholic Dan is expected to hold himself to a certain standard and he' expected to fail and keep trying. That has nothing to do with what you, me, or Jerry have a right to expect from him.

 

[The Warmth]

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This happens all the time. I say something and you disagree with me and then post the same thing I just said. It's like me saying "Chocolate cake is good" and then you posting "Oh Please.... Chocolate cake is great" and then Nik comes along and replies "You're right Habibi, Chocolate cake is great!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh my god, this is great Surge, this is why I love you. One of the most classic posts I've ever read.

 

[Ohiospeedo]

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Be real curious to see how CBS will portray Ollie in the edit. Hopefully they show what a cunt he is.

So what is the schedule for this double eviction? Are they doing all of this on Thursday or Sunday?

 

[The Warmth]

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Clearly you amuse easily.

Au contraire (see, everyone can play the pretentious French terminology game!), if the post had no basis in reality it'd have gone unnoticed.

 

[The Warmth]

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With that said, I am not denying I ignore the most basic forms of humor!

It goes without saying, no? I read this thread and watch Big Brother! So Nik2 is completely right in his assessment I am easily entertained.

 

[falconfan]

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Au contraire (see, everyone can play the pretentious French terminology game!), if the post had no basis in reality it'd have gone unnoticed.

The only reality in that post was that chocolate cake is great.

 

[The Warmth]

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No need to get testy babies, I find your interactions cute.

Borderline obnoxious, but cute.

 

[falconfan]

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And even that isn't unassailable.

Yes it is you just wont' say it because it'd make the posted conversation true I love you anyway though

 

[joesman]

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Why don't you just click on SoapSkank's name and select "Find more posts from SoapSkank." That way you can read only what you want to read.

It would be less tiresome for you and us.

There's also FORT, Jokers, and a number of other BB10 update sites that don't require a sense of humor.

And why don't you stay on subject so that we don't have to go looking for information that we want to know. This endless back and forth that has no basis for this thread is as tiresome as anything can get. Please refrain or create a thread where you can romance whoever and berate whoever.

The moderator came on here yesterday to tell everyone exactly that after lostlover came back in to stir up junk.

I rely a lot on the people who have good information about the game and having to scan through endless silly back and forths about nothing makes it take a lot longer.

 

[CaptainRush]

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Why don't you just click on SoapSkank's name and select "Find more posts from SoapSkank." That way you can read only what you want to read.

It would be less tiresome for you and us.

There's also FORT, Jokers, and a number of other BB10 update sites that don't require a sense of humor.

That was a little harsh with the tiresome comment, Nik2.

I think his point is that there's more arguing and bickering going back and fourth then there is game talk and updates. The mods asked us to stop, Soap asked us to stop, I asked us not to do it like last time on page 1 or 2.

I don't think it's right that the only time I got pissed off all summer was in this thread. People can say that I can go somewhere else and talk updates, but I shouldn't have to and I don't want to. I like the 6 to 7 of us posting. We all contribute something and add our own humour.

Arguing or disagrements are going to happen, I just don't think they need to hapen 10 pages + in a row sometimes. That's my verdict, take it as anyone wants.


And I'm not pointing out at you Nik2, this is just an extension on the comment remark but still making a point about it.