The Official "Big Brother 10" Discussion Thread!

[Jersey Domino]

Congrats to Julie!

So who's everyone's favorite castmembers?

I'll name them by season.

Season 2-Will, Hardy, Nicole, Monica, Shannon and Justin.

Season 3-Jason, Daniele, Lisa, Roddy, Amy, and Tonya.

Season4-Alison, Jun, Justin, David, Jee, Robert.

Season 5-Diane, Karen, Marvin, Will, Nakomis and Drew.

Season 6-Kaysar, Micheal, James, Rachel, Janelle, and Howie.

Season 7-James, Allison, Daniele, Nakomis,

Season 8-Jen, Eric, Zach, Jessica and Mike.

Season 9-Alex, Amanda, Ryan, Sharon, Allison, James.

Season 10-Dan, Memphis, Libra, Keesha, Angie, Steven, and Brian.

How about you all?

 

[Aratron]

Seasons I watched:

BB3 - Danielle and Jason
BB5 - Karen
BB6 - Kaysar and Janelle
BB7 - Danielle
BB8 - Jessica
BB9 - Natalie and Jen
BB10 - Michelle

 

[The Warmth]

Hurray for list making!

I'm practically a child of the show. Watched the first season back in 2000, 11 years old. It's one of the few "traditions" my mother and I share.

For the record, just because someone was my "favorite" during a season, doesn't necessarily mean much. There were a few seasons I barely liked anyone. I think everyone will share this sentiment as well.

BB1 - Brittany
BB2 - Will
BB3 - MISS AMY CREWS! (Who might I add shares a bit of a resemblance to the gal in my avatar, Amanda Seyfried), Danielle
BB4 - Jun!, Erika, Jack
BB5 - Karen, Will
BB6 - ...umm. Rachel? God I hated this fucking season.
BB7 - Anyone above that was in the house.
BB8 - Jessica, Jameka, Jen, Dustin (before he won HoH and turned into an asshat.)
BB9 - By far my biggest guilty pleasure of a season. I truly look back on it quite fondly, and feel a great deal of shame for it . Chelsea (YES, you read that correctly), James, Amanda
BB10 - Memphy, Dan, Keesha, Rennie, Libra

 

[The Warmth]

There wasn't much to remember from that season, except Will Mega and Jordan. Who were complete bitches in their own right but as soon as they were voted off, the conflict in the house completely disappeared.

My mom and I really liked that season for some reason though. We were against the format change of the second season. We're control freaks and would participate in the votes.

 

[Jersey Domino]

Hurray for list making!

I'm practically a child of the show. Watched the first season back in 2000, 11 years old. It's one of the few "traditions" my mother and I share.

For the record, just because someone was my "favorite" during a season, doesn't necessarily mean much. There were a few seasons I barely liked anyone. I think everyone will share this sentiment as well.

BB1 - Brittany
BB2 - Will
BB3 - MISS AMY CREWS! (Who might I add shares a bit of a resemblance to the gal in my avatar, Amanda Seyfried), Danielle
BB4 - Jun!, Erika, Jack
BB5 - Karen, Will
BB6 - ...umm. Rachel? God I hated this fucking season.
BB7 - Anyone above that was in the house.
BB8 - Jessica, Jameka, Jen, Dustin (before he won HoH and turned into an asshat.)
BB9 - By far my biggest guilty pleasure of a season. I truly look back on it quite fondly, and feel a great deal of shame for it . Chelsea (YES, you read that correctly), James, Amanda
BB10 - Memphy, Dan, Keesha, Rennie, Libra

Well it's great to know that I'm not alone in thinking that season 6 wasn't anything special.

 

[J-23]

Top two per season:

BB1: Not real, doesn't count.
BB2: Nicole and Hardy.
BB3: Amy and Danielle.
BB4: Erika and Jack.
BB5: Diane and Nakomis.
BB6: Janelle and Rachel.
BB8: Jen and Zach.
BB9: Not real, doesn't count.
BB10: Keesha and Dan.

Honorable mentions go to BB5 Karen, BB6 Kaysar, BB8 Jessica, and BB10 Steven & Renny.

My least favorites would have to be BB2 Mike & Will, BB4 Alison & Jun, BB5 Drew, BB6 Eric & Ivette, BB8 Eric & Dick, the cast of BB9, and BB10 Michelle & Jerry.

A special dishonorable mention to post-BB6, slutwaffle Janelle. Go back to Miami, sweetheart! No one is looking forward to your "guest appearances" that you plan on making every year for the rest of the show's existance!

 

[J-23]

Most Loathsome: Marcellas & Josh

Oh jeez, how could I forget to include Marcellas? What a toolbox hypocrite. "I can't sit next to Jason because he defends that vicious MONSTER Danielle." Meanwhile it was Marcellas who always had the absolute cruelest things to say in the DR.

 

[aijalon18]

BB5[/B]
Favorites: Marvin, Karen, Diane, Nakomis
Best Player: Drew
Most Loathsome: Jase & Cowboy

BB7
Favorites: Janelle & Will
Best Player: Erika
Most Loathsome: Boogie

BB8
Favorites: Jen
Best Player: Daniele
Most Loathsome: Dick


Favorite of All Time: Will
Best Player of All Time: Will
Most Loathsome of All Time: Dick
Most Overrated Player of All Time: Kaysar
Most Underrated Player of All Time: Erika

Season 5 is the first season I watched closely and I thought Marvin and Nakomis were the best even though Drew won. They were both pretty much outsiders who lasted pretty long and made good strategic moves that unfortunately couldnt play out totally in their favor. I think Drew's win was mostly just luck of being a "cute" white boy who Scott and Jase could make part of their four horsemen frat. I dont think he really actively or conciously charmed Diane into taking him to the end like Will did Janelle. Diane was just desperate, horny, and stupid.

Erika did deserve to win BB7. I dont get why people voted for Boogie. Boogie pretty much road Will's coattails. I think people are just particularly bitter when a female outsmarts them. Janelle really pissed me off with her not recognizing Erika's game and disrespecting it. But I guess in her defense, we as viewers can see how strategic she is but I think to someone in the house she looks like she is just sitting there doing nothing and letting other people make decisions for her.

Kaysar is totally overrated. Even though he's a hot piece, he's terrible at the game. But much like Brendan from Survivor after, it is all said and done he lives the game with dignity and maintains a positive attitude.

My only complaint about Will is he is best friends with Boogie. I do judge people by who they choose as their friends, and Boogie is such a piece of shit.

 

[Jersey Domino]

^^ Yes, not to mention how awfully he treated Gerry even though Gerry used the mother fucking veto on him early in the game! Which is ironically what Marcellas would opt not to do at F5....

Oh and Don't forget how he spoke to Amy when he was HOH for the 2nd/3rd time. THAT was when Marcy pissed me off the most. Amy wasn't even that bad. She didn't deserve that.

Asshole.

And as far a Erika is concerned...I don't think she played a good game at all. All she did was just latch on to Boogie pretty much.

 

[J-23]

And as far a Erika is concerned...I don't think she played a good game at all. All she did was just latch on to Boogie pretty much.

I think that, as Marcellas pointed out during the jury deliberation, she played the hand that was dealt to her. Unlike Mike/Will, Janelle/Howie/James/Kaysar, or Diane/Nakomis, she had no previously-formed alliance upon entering the house. She was essentially forced to be a floater, so she made the best of it.

Although I'm not sure if I'd say that she's the most underrated player of all time, I would agree that she (A) didn't receive the credit (and votes) she deserved, and (B) lost the game because she was a victim of the jury's bogus logic. Every reason they gave as to why Mike should win was also attributable to Erika.

 

[J-23]

Drew is not the greatest strategist by any means but he played well. The House turned against the Horsemen, and he was able to use his looks, charm and unassuming personality to worm his way into the new dominant alliance. Remember, he ousted Holly when he was HOH, effectively playing both sides against the middle, jumped ship when the Six Finger plan was put in motion to evict Jase, and then smartly teamed up with the twins to take out Will, and then went right back to the rest of the House to take out the twins! His ability to move seamlessly between alliances is terrific gameplay and considering that the guy was great in challenges, it's to his gameplay credit that he wasn't a target for eviction until F5.

I sort of question how much of that was intentional, though. He joined up with the Horsemen because they reminded him of his d-bag frat buddies from back home. That alliance started to crumble, so Diane took his hand and guided him through the rest of the game since that massive black hole located between his ears inhibited him from playing the game himself.

The fact that his best buddy was Cowboy was really unsurprising considering the fact that they were level pegging, intellectually speaking. Combine their IQs and you'd be lucky to get a double digit.

 

[The Warmth]

lost the game because she was a victim of the jury's bogus logic.

Don't forget blatant sexism! We can't forget the gross display of sexism!

 

[falconfan]

I sort of question how much of that was intentional, though. He joined up with the Horsemen because they reminded him of his d-bag frat buddies from back home. That alliance started to crumble, so Diane took his hand and guided him through the rest of the game since that massive black hole located between his ears inhibited him from playing the game himself.

The fact that his best buddy was Cowboy was really unsurprising considering the fact that they were level pegging, intellectually speaking. Combine their IQs and you'd be lucky to get a double digit.

Yeah but if you look at things that way, where Diane was the dominant for is the D&D twosome, then the final four results make no sense. If Diane was the manipulator rather than the manipulated the noms would've been Nakomis and Cowboy (effectively giving Diane the ability to boot Cowboy and placing her in the perfect position for a final three) rather than Nakomis and Diane. Drew clearly was the one in the position of control. I mean pretty boy may not have been in Mensa but he didn't have a "black hole" for a brain either.

 

[J-23]

Yeah but if you look at things that way, where Diane was the dominant for is the D&D twosome, then the final four results make no sense. If Diane was the manipulator rather than the manipulated the noms would've been Nakomis and Cowboy (effectively giving Diane the ability to boot Cowboy and placing her in the perfect position for a final three) rather than Nakomis and Diane. Drew clearly was the one in the position of control. I mean pretty boy may not have been in Mensa but he didn't have a "black hole" for a brain either.

Unfortunately for her, she wasn't in the position to decide who was standing next to in the final three since she was on the block alongside Nakomis.

Sigh. I heart Nakomis and Diane. It's so unfortunate how that season turned out.

 

[The Warmth]

I have no vested interest in her, and I fully agree.

 

[J-23]

And your point about everything she did being attributed to Boogie is not true. When Erika convinced Janelle to vote out Will -- which is AWESOME given the fact that Janelle hated her at that time, loved Will, and that Will up until then had controlled Janelle -- that essentially broke the lock Will and Boogie had on the game and was certainly not something Boogie would or could do.

Sorry, allow me to clarify: Every point that they raised as to why Mike should win the game was also applicable to Erika.

Lemme quote Miss Alli from TWoP...

Danielle wants to talk now about the way Mike played the game. She asks Will to explain how Mike played. Will starts talking a mile a minute, hoping that maybe you're not really listening: "He did exactly what he needed to do to be in the final two." (Check. Exactly what Erika did.) "He rode coattails when he needed to." (Check. Exactly what Erika did.) "He dodged bullets when he needed to." (Check. Exactly what Erika did, especially since she was repeatedly on the block.) "And when he needed to win competitions, he did exactly that." (Check. Exactly what Erika did. Actually...which person are we talking about?)

And you're friends with Erika? That's awesome. Tell her I said hey!

 

[J-23]

^^ No but that's falconfan's point. She wasn't able to control Drew, Drew controlled her which therefore doesn't make her that great of a player. I'll cop to the fact that Drew benefited a lot from Diane's earlier stealth gameplay, but it's incorrect to say that he didn't play well at the end and essentially played her. At F4, Cowboy won POV, but the fact remains:

1. Drew wasn't a total moron since he took Cowboy to the end over Diane and oh yeah, Diane still voted for him to win!

2. Drew initially nominated Diane and Nakomis at F4, and Diane was stupidly in on this plan and stupidly told him this was OK because she didn't want to evict Nakomis herself. Stupid, stupid move! The smarter play would be to let Drew think she would evict Nakomis and then instead, she'd evict Cowboy, essentially giving herself a pass to F2 since neither Drew nor Nakomis would take each other to the end and they'd have to therefore take Diane. The fact that she didn't see that and that Drew snowed her into thinking he would dump Cowboy for her, shows he was controlling her at that point. I mean he basically got Diane to agree to taking an obvious "goat" (Cowboy) to F3, who Drew would be a moron not to take to the finals over Diane.

2. Diane intentionally threw the F4 POV, making it easier for Cowboy to win it. Which Drew suggested she should do. And she listened to him. Idiot.

I'll admit, she made mistakes in the last week or two of her stay in the house. However, that (in my opinion) doesn't negate the fact that she played the hell out of the game for the first two months.

I just feel that Drew was an utter non-entity. He had no personality, no identifiable strategy... He did nothing. Rather than making tactical decisions, he would always do one of two things: Let someone else steer him, or cop out and go with the easiest option available.

To me, his gameplay consisted of little more than acting the way that he does in his day to day life, and that just happened to work in his favor. Basically, he got lucky.

I also think it's unfair to label Diane an "idiot" for letting her emotions interfere with her gameplay. If that were the case, I fail to see why you think so highly of Erika who chose to evict Chicken George – someone who she could have trounced effortlessly in the final two – rather than Mike.

 

[falconfan]

I just feel that Drew was an utter non-entity. He had no personality, no identifiable strategy... He did nothing. Rather than making tactical decisions, he would always do one of two things: Let someone else steer him, or cop out and go with the easiest option available.

To me, his gameplay consisted of little more than acting the way that he does in his day to day life, and that just happened to work in his favor. Basically, he got lucky.

This is the same kinda logic that causes people to overlook the gameplay of people like Erika and overestimate the abilities of people like Kaysar. Sometimes less is more. If sitting around and doing nothing is getting you to the end and you see that than the good player keeps their head down. I mean what 90% of BB consists of not giving people a reason to vote you out? So sometimes being boring is just good strategy and you can say it wasn't but if you look Sharon for instance from BB9. Girl was exciting as watching paint dry in that house but she is SO alive in all the post interviews that she was clearly suppressing and holding back to stay in the game (and very well may have only lost because of an f'd up HOH question that she ACTUALLY got right) while her dumbass loudmouth allies hung themselves one by one. Was that the case with Drew? I couldn't say. But the fact remains that being vanilla doesn't mean a person is dumb or a bad strategist.

I also think it's unfair to label Diane an "idiot" for letting her emotions interfere with her gameplay. If that were the case, I fail to see why you think so highly of Erika who chose to evict Chicken George – someone who she could have trounced effortlessly in the final two – rather than Mike.

Ummmmm maybe because Mike was the only player in the house who would take her to the end and George had inexplicable but clear loyalty to Janey... which would've left the house as Janey & Will & quasi-George vs. Erika. Plus if I remember correctly, and maybe I'm wrong, Erika DIDN'T have the power to send Mike packing. Janelle would've needed to break the tie and likely send George home anyway.

 

[Jersey Domino]

Man there's alot of Big Brother 5 talk in here.


What's everyone's favorite Big Brother House?

For me I would be A tie between season 9 and 10's houses.

And I liked season 3's house too.

 

[J-23]

This is the same kinda logic that causes people to overlook the gameplay of people like Erika and overestimate the abilities of people like Kaysar. Sometimes less is more. If sitting around and doing nothing is getting you to the end and you see that than the good player keeps their head down. I mean what 90% of BB consists of not giving people a reason to vote you out? So sometimes being boring is just good strategy and you can say it wasn't but if you look Sharon for instance from BB9. Girl was exciting as watching paint dry in that house but she is SO alive in all the post interviews that she was clearly suppressing and holding back to stay in the game (and very well may have only lost because of an f'd up HOH question that she ACTUALLY got right) while her dumbass loudmouth allies hung themselves one by one. Was that the case with Drew? I couldn't say. But the fact remains that being vanilla doesn't mean a person is dumb or a bad strategist.

I totally appreciate a gentle, nuanced game (see: BB4 Erika, BB5 Karen), but that's just not how I would describe Drew's strategy. He seriously did nothing. At no point did he subtly plant seeds of doubt in people's minds or inconspicuously spark disagreements between his housemates or imperceptibly persuade people to vote in a particular way or ANYTHING like that. He simply let Diane play the entire game for him because he's nothing more than a mindless frat tool who's used to treating women as objects.

Ummmmm maybe because Mike was the only player in the house who would take her to the end and George had inexplicable but clear loyalty to Janey... which would've left the house as Janey & Will & quasi-George vs. Erika. Plus if I remember correctly, and maybe I'm wrong, Erika DIDN'T have the power to send Mike packing. Janelle would've needed to break the tie and likely send George home anyway.

Janelle stated that, had she been forced to break the tie, she would have evicted Mike.

And voting Mike out over George would have been a brilliant move on Erika's part. She'd have been left in the house with one player incapable of winning pivotal competitions, another player unwilling to win competitions, and a player who was later proven malleable enough to have her long-time adversary convince her to vote out her best friend. Erika would have been sitting pretty at that point. Unfortunately, she voted with her heart rather than her brain and she ended up $450,000 poorer because of it.