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The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

I think Sharon had more game than Janelle yes, simply because Janelle had ZERO game (winning comps isn't "game"). But ultimately, neither one of them made it to the finals, and Sharon misread Ryan completely during F4 week so while I do think Sharon showed a lot of potential, she ultimately can't be counted as a great player. Janelle's style of playing though is entertaining and Janelle sure as hell was more fun to watch than Sharon. Janelle is a personal favorite of mine -- even one of my all-time favorites -- but I am under no delusion that she was some master game-player.

That being said, Janelle was at least likable and had she won her way to the end, she'd likely have won All Stars and could have even won BB6. Which according to the argument I made above, is all that matters.

Sharon analysis will always have an innate flawed as Sharon was screwed over in the BIGGEST of BB screw overs. With that Fed up HOH question that should've gauranteed her the final 3. she would've then of course had to win her way there but had she done so the jury would've been hers for the taking.
 
THey'd be silly to target Ragan over Brit. He's on an even keel with all of them. Brit clearly is closer with Lane.

Also outing the brigade COULD help Matt if he had any credibility, which he doesn't. He needs three votes Ragan, Brendon, and Brit's tie breaker. He should've said that he'd been loyal to his alliance but he learned they turned on him and now outed them and try and convince Brendon/Brit/Ragan that their only chance at a majority is to stick together and work with him.

But Matt's just really dumb.
 
Speaking of past seasons, I watched an episode of BB3 the other night randomly and it was a PoV competition and damn, it was tame and lame. Diane won it and all they had to do was sit at the dinner table with each of them having a little wooden box potentionally carrying the PoV. They had to put up an offer to a house guest of their choice in exchange for the wooden box. What the hell is that?
 
THey'd be silly to target Ragan over Brit. He's on an even keel with all of them. Brit clearly is closer with Lane.

Also outing the brigade COULD help Matt if he had any credibility, which he doesn't. He needs three votes Ragan, Brendon, and Brit's tie breaker. He should've said that he'd been loyal to his alliance but he learned they turned on him and now outed them and try and convince Brendon/Brit/Ragan that their only chance at a majority is to stick together and work with him.

But Matt's just really dumb.

I think Matt is too scared that if he outs the alliance, he would have no chance in hell to get the votes of Lane, Enzo and Hayden.

It's too late for Matt. He should have had better foresight and kicked out one of the members, perferably Hayden.
 
I think Matt is too scared that if he outs the alliance, he would have no chance in hell to get the votes of Lane, Enzo and Hayden.

It's too late for Matt. He should have had better foresight and kicked out one of the members, perferably Hayden.

As apposed to.... ? He's already not getting their votes. He's going to be unanimously evicted in two days. Ummmm This is the time for last ditch efforts.
 
As apposed to.... ? He's already not getting their votes. He's going to be unanimously evicted in two days. Ummmm This is the time for last ditch efforts.

Yeah, I agree. Matt needs to do whatever he can and I think he SHOULD out the brigade just like Dr. Peppers said. If he really was the brainer he said he was he would have done it before veto.

I just hope Ragan wins the HoH.
 
Kensei, the comps in the early years (BB3-BB5 especially) were REALLY lame, even by BB standards. I remember the one you're talking about (though I think you meant Danielle won it) and yeah, it was a total snooze to watch.
 
As apposed to.... ? He's already not getting their votes. He's going to be unanimously evicted in two days. Ummmm This is the time for last ditch efforts.

Exactly. I agree with you of course that Matt's credibility is shot and he's not persuasive enough to pull it off -- as I said multiple times in previous posts -- but there's less shame in trying and failing than in not trying at all. My regard for him is already so low; it will be sub-zero if he doesn't even try to save himself with the juiciest of secrets.
 
I just don't see how that will help him at all because he is also a brigade member and has lied repeatedly to other hgs about his alliances. I think if he outs the brigade he outs himself, loses Ragan even more, and loses any respect that the guys have for him. That, also, might lose him votes in the jury should he escape (I never put anything past the dr folks). Betrayal for betrayal's sake gets nothing.

Lane and Hayden are the under-the-radar guys. Lane just goes along agreeing, while Hayden either says nothing, grunts or turns his head and stares off into space.
Does Lane ever study the walls, the game sequences, elimination orders, or anything? Is he coasting to the jury house? The jury house was his ultimate goal in the beginning. The fame seemed more important than the game itself.

I agree with you. I was being sarcastic b/c a lot of Britney lovers/ Brigade haters were trying to spin this fantasy that it would be helpful to Matt to out the brigade.
 
Listening to Ragan and Matt talk about All Stars 2 on the feeds is hilarious because they're acting as if they're both definitely going to be asked back, and they may or may not have to deal with Rachel again. LOL. I don't care for Rachel but she is GUARANTEED a spot on All Stars. Love her or hate her, but the bitch is entertaining.

Matt's Diamond use may or may not qualify him for a spot (I hope not), but on what planet does Ragan get invited back before Rachel, Brendan or Britney?
 
Also, just to reiterate for those who didn't read the 500 other times I said it, I don't hate the Brigade. They've clearly played a good ame thus far (minus Matt), and Hayden in particular I think has played the best game (at this rate, I think he's winning). I've said this multiple times.

But Matt should be doing whatever he needs to do to save himself, and at this point he has nothing to lose. Worrying about the possibility of losing jury votes when it's a certainty you won't even be there to get jury votes, is clearly putting the cart before the horse.

If those of us wondering why Matt isn't fighting harder for MATT are being called Britney lovers/Brigade haters, then what about the Brigade lovers/Matt haters who think it's not worth it for a player to fight to stay in the game? Oh yeah, no bias there at all.
 
Def not a brigade lover. Not really a lover of any of these clowns unfortunately. I couldnt stand them at first. But I'm objective enough to realize they played the best game and deserve to win. i like this game and want a deserving winner. I dont hate Britney but she is made so many dopey decisions, squandered all her power, and at this point she deserves to go. The only thing that could save her is if CBS starts rigging things. I'm sure some bullshit will happen b/c she is a fan favorite. Plus so far they havent done anything majorly fucked up yet. There will be a DR manipulation, comps to suit her or Ragan.
 
Hamsterwatch seems to think that Matt is waiting for just the right moment to sell out the Brigade (something about him telling Ragan he's got something up his sleeve) because -- their words, not mine -- he can't make the move too early or the Brigade will have enough time to undo it.

I think they're giving him way too much credit.
 
LOL Britney is in the hammock riffing on celebs like she's Perez Hilton and Brendan is actually sitting there listening and talking to her about it. This doesn't sound like a big deal unless you've been watching the feeds all season and know how rare it is for these two to spend any time together.

I really wish Britney would just get over her dislike and form a F2 alliance with Brendan (he clearly wants it). They're both good at competitions and could make a good run for it (especially if no one suspects they're doing it). And I'd love to see Britney in the finals with Brendan just to test/prove that she'd beat him in a 5-2 vote.
 
From BB12 blogspot:

Tuesday, August 24, 2010
Late Afternoon/Early Evening in the BB House

Good afternoon/evening to all of you BB addicts out there!! The Live Feeds have been buzzing all day with "if so-and-so wins HOH/POV, then..." talks. Really, there's a ton of different options, everyone is playing everyone, and it all comes down to who wins what this Thursday during the Double Eviction.

Also, Lane umm..how do I put this?..."relieved" himself in the shower this afternoon. lol :P

(This isn't the first time the cameras have caught him.) Hey, I guess it's a lot better than Enzo doing it on a cot in the Have Not's room to the point of waking Britney & Hayden up sometimes. lol

On a disturbing note, at 3:10pm BBT, Ragan made some highly inappropriate comments around Hayden/Matt (and I kinda don't even wanna post it, but I report everything, so..here it goes..*sigh*)

Ragan: "I wanna be the inappropriate zingbot! Hey Hayden, so how many 12 yr old girls do you make blow you underneath bridges? Ziinng! Hey Matt, how many comatose patients have you stuck your finger in?"
Lane: "Ewww!"

Hayden walks away.
Ragan: "ZINNNG!!" (laughs)

**I think Ragan is losing it. No, seriously. :/
 
Oh yeah Janelle had so much social game that had she lost POV or HOH at any point during her run on All Stars, she would have been promptly evicted. Kinda like how she laid a big fat goose egg in the final challenges and was, you know, promptly evicted.

I love Janelle but I'm not thirsty enough to drink her Kool-Aid.

Uhm, she was going to leave because she was a threat. You even said she would have a big chance of winning both BB6 and BB7
 
From Reality blurred:


The problem with Big Brother 12, or why I’m having trouble caring now
Big Brother 12 »
by Andy Dehnart / August 24, 2010, 10:03 PM
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Typically, seasons of Big Brother follow a predictable arc. The houseguests move in and have a calm week or two as they get to know their competition, voting out the person who stands out either the most or the least. Soon, though, their boredom and time together leads to real relationships and thus alliances, which nearly always shift, change, and collapse, often in spectacular ways. That’s the fun part. Eventually, after most of the houseguests are eliminated, the season limps into its finale with a few boring weeks. The conflicts are over, and the final, lame-ass challenges usually catapult horrifying people into the final two to win the prize, although that’s not always the case. Then we all stick our fingers into our brains and purge and pretend we didn’t just waste two months.

This season, however, had a long, slow burn of nothingness for more than a month. It was excruciatingly boring and uneventful. The twist was an absolute bust, as was its lame reincarnation, and it was so bad we were left to speculate wildly about another possible twist, but alas, there was nothing. Jeff and Jordan showed up; no one cared. The challenges have been so-so—not utterly stupid or unfair, but just average at best.

This past week or so, however, things got interesting and thoroughly entertaining—even though and/or because one of the primary antagonists, Rachel, left the house. After the quasi-dramatic eviction last week, things were ready to pick up as The Brigade, arguably one of the most successful alliances ever if only because it stayed together and stayed hidden the entire season, started to crumble. Three of its members turned on a fourth but were thwarted by his secret power, which should have stirred things up. I should also be dancing for joy at the potential for Matt to go home either next week or, if nominee Brendon wins the veto competition, even this week.

Yet I could barely stand Sunday’s episode. A big part of that, I think, is due to the length of time it took to get to this point; three episodes a week of nothingness week after week is exhausting, and not in a good way. Had this happened a month ago, the season might been starting to go somewhere.

But even after that drama, it’s treading water. Sunday, after we saw the Bridade fracture, there was little more than the houseguests performing to the camera in the diary room as the producers killed time with sequences about exciting things such as a moth. Lane can be funny, like when he compared himself to Britney’s boyfriend, but Lane’s not funny when he’s trying to be funny, and I got the impression that all of the houseguests were given some kind of pep talk this week about being more lively in the diary room. Increasingly, it seems like they’re performing because they have very little to truly get upset about or laugh at, and seem to be reaching.

Usually part of the fun of Big Brother is comparing—and getting frustrated with—the oversimplified version of complex strategy that ends up on the three episodes. This year, the editors have basically nothing to work with so we basically see all the strategy, what little there is. And there have been no real scandals, which is why a guy pleasuring himself in the shower and another guy sneaking food have gotten the most attention in the past week. That’s the most interesting producer manipulation, the lack of punishment for eating food? The whole idea of have-nots is moronic, pointless, and consistently uninteresting anyway that I just don’t care.

Big Brother has a structural problem that no other elimination series has, whether it’s The Amazing Race or Top Chef or Survivor. That’s in part because those shows are edited with knowledge of the outcome, and thus can build a narrative arc over time, getting us to love some people and loathe others. Big Brother cannot, and must rely instead on continual power shifts for drama, which is why the game has its often-frustrating HOH-nominee-veto structure.

That has worked well sometimes, but it’s nowhere near as consistent in delivering good television as Survivor’s structure is. This season, Big Brother’s producers found themselves with a group of people who were largely unwilling to engage each other on any significant level, instead resorting to petty sniping and self-aggrandizing diary room interviews to make them seem more interesting than they actually are. They actually seem to like each other, for the most part, though some are in for a hard landing (like awful judge of character Ragan).

What’s really crippling this season is the casting. I don’t want a season of asshole racists, but I do want a season of people able and willing to play, whether they’re smart and witty or dumb and delusional.

One of the most striking things is what executive producer Rich Meehan told me and a few critics as we were standing on the balcony of the soundstage house during our tour: This year, the houseguests have ignored the chess board and couches outside the HOH room. That has been a prime location for strategizing in year’s past, but in season 12, there has been basically no strategizing, and when there has, we’ve made it out to be much more than it is because that’s all we have.

It’s like getting a poorly frosted and decorated mini-cupcake and pretending it’s a stunning sheet cake because it’s been so long since we’ve seen any cake. The irony is that I’m still watching, and so are more people than have watched all summer long. Maybe those new viewers are being rewarded for waiting until now to show up. The rest of us may still get some frosting this season, but I fear it’s going to be three more weeks of searching for sprinkles.

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/big_brother_12/2010_Aug_24_review
 
Uhm, she was going to leave because she was a threat. You even said she would have a big chance of winning both BB6 and BB7

Yes...if she got there, which she didn't, because her whole strategy was winning competitions.

Seen through the refracting lens of history, of course you can say Janelle played Will etc, but I remember that season well, I had the live feeds, and I've watched episodes again more recently on YouTube. Janelle didn't team up with CT as oart of some master plot to use them now and dispose them later, all along planning to boot Will. She did it because she had a crush on Will, and Will played her. In fact, she said in the DR that she had every intention of evicting Erika!

Have you forgotten that when Janelle won F5 HOH -- the perfect time to strike -- she let Will talk her out of nominating CT and instead she ended up evicting Chicken George? A guy who had been loyal to her and who she could have easily crushed in the Final HOH competitions? If she was playing Will all along, that would have been the time to split CT, which would have worked out great for her since she could then evict Erika at F4 (let's face it, George wasn't winning that POV) and going into the F3, she'd be guaranteed a spot to play in the Part III of the last HOH because George wasn't winning Part I or Part II. Anyone with game would have realized that, but not Janelle. She was actually intending to go to F3 with CT! A known pair!

Have you also forgotten that it was Erika who hounded Janelle and talked and talked and talked until she got Janelle to boot Will? That wasn't master-mind on Janelle's part; that was Erika wearing her down. Its funny how Janelle fans rewrite history on this point when we all saw Erika shadow her all day long on the feeds, trying to convince her to do the obvious, and the TV show didn't try to hide that fact either! They showed Janelle in the DR talking about winning the POV and evicting Erika and they showed Erika convincing Janelle to keep her. Hell, it was Erika who figured out CT was playing both of them!

Janelle did the right thing by evicting Will but I don't consider it proof that she has "game" because she was basically manipulated all season by Will and then, at F4, she was manipulated by Erika. Her evicting Will had nothing to do with her being a mastermind and everything to do with her winning POV (which, good for her, but again competitions are her only strength).

Will himself when he was evicted and Julie asked if he had underestimated Janelle replied, "I think I underestimated Erika." Will is no dummy; he knew who really orchestrated his eviction. Janelle had been his puppet all season long and then in the end game, she jumped off his hand long enough to land on Erika's hand. That's all.
 
I'm not even a fan of her, maybe I was on 6 but not on 7. And I'm not saying she's a great player but I think saying she has zero game is an exaggeration. And I'm only seeing you talk about BB7 Janelle not BB6 Janelle.

And Erika wasn't much better, her only big move was changing Janelle's mind, she was played by Boogie just like Janelle was played by Will and even when she saw he was fuming because she didn't left but Will did, she still hugged him and stayed with him. Her social game was worthless as well
 
I never said Erika was great player. But since she played Janelle, and Janelle played no one, and Erika got to the finals -- which Janelle failed to do because all she can do is win competitions and that can only take you so far -- yeah, I think it's fair to say Erika had more game than Janelle.
 
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