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The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

aijalon18 said:
But I dont think saving Matt would really be in her best interest.
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I don't like Matt personally, and game-wise Britney certainly shouldn't go to F3 with Matt and Ragan. However, it's all about next week right now and she's absolutely better off keeping Matt around next week than Enzo/Hayden (same reason she should NEVER have nominated Brendan to begin with). If Matt wins HOH next week, he'll go after Brendan first because he knows he's Brendan's target as well. She can't trust Matt/Ragan for F3 endgame, but she can trust that next week Matt/Ragan have other targets.

But if Hayden/Enzo win HOH, they're more likely to go after Britney first (especially Enzo). The person who most wanted Britney out desperately last week -- and would have evicted her this week had he won HOH -- is Enzo. Breaking those two up also gives Lane less options and he's more likely then to form a real alliance with her.

Basically, she's making the wrong move for herself if she does anything other than trying to ensure that Hayden or Enzo go home.
 
This has also become "How to Look Like An Idiot in the DR" show. Lane, Enzo, Hayden, Ragen, Britney at the top of their lungs in the dr. Who are they all yelling at?
 
joesman said:
This has also become "How to Look Like An Idiot in the DR" show. Lane, Enzo, Hayden, Ragen, Britney at the top of their lungs in the dr. Who are they all yelling at?
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None of the other house guests can hold a candle to Hayden and Rachel in terms of Diary Room hollering.
 
^ :rotflmao:

WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Damn, what a pathetic cast of misfits is in that house.
 
Sgt Pepper said:
None of the other house guests can hold a candle to Hayden and Rachel in terms of Diary Room hollering.
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Did you not hear Lane with that damn dumbbell press thing? That hurt my ears and I thought I had gotten used to the loud screaming in the dr.

Thank you, Hayden for pointing out to America that Ragan has been crying for 3 weeks str8.
 
If Britney tells Matt he's going up, he needs to seriously out the Brigade and let her know that Enzo wants her out bad. Its the last card he has to play to save himself, and I'm kinda hoping it comes to that. I need the Brigade to be outed so Britney, Ragan and Brendan will stop trying to evict each other and turn their attention on Enzo/Hayden/Lane. Those three guys have had it easy for WAY too long.
 
LIVE FEED UPDATE

Britney just told Lane she's putting up Hayden! She said Matt's not coming after her next week but she thinks Hayden and Enzo might. This is of course absolutely true and it proves that Brit has some good instincts but no long-term gameplay and she can too easily be talked out of obeying her instincts. In that sense, she's very much like Rachel.

I hope Lane is unable to talk her out of it and that she doesn't change her mind again by tomorrow.
 
Sgt Pepper said:
LIVE FEED UPDATE

Britney just told Lane she's putting up Hayden! She said Matt's not coming after her next week but she thinks Hayden and Enzo might. This is of course absolutely true and it proves that Brit has some good instincts but no long-term gameplay and she can too easily be talked out of obeying her instincts. In that sense, she's very much like Rachel.

I hope Lane is unable to talk her out of it and that she doesn't change her mind again by tomorrow.
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She doesn't seem to flip flop that much though. When her mind is set, based on the history of her actions, she usually sticks with her original intentions doesn't she?

Regardless, if she puts up Hayden, Enzo would be toast with the extra houseguest to leave being tossed up in the air. I don't know who that extra person to go would be. I can't see Lane winning HoH and being able to make a split decison in that time frame.
 
Ohhhh I think Lane is telling Hayden and Enzo what the plan is for replacement nominee.
 
OMG These people are insufferable. The DR has convinced Britney to get rid of Enzo.

Ragan proves again why he is a disgrace to the gay species. He is pleading with Britney to save Matt. Shouldnt Matt be doing that? No his little gay puppet can do that for him. All he has to do is wink at him and grab his bulge in front of him.

While Ragan his begging to keep Matt, Matt is telling Lane to see if he can get Ragan on the block instead of him!

Ragan the talks some bullshit about wanting to get to the end with the only honorable people left in the game. Why was this person born?
 
aijalon18 said:
OMG These people are insufferable. The DR has convinced Britney to get rid of Enzo.

Ragan proves again why he is a disgrace to the gay species. He is pleading with Britney to save Matt. Shouldnt Matt be doing that? No his little gay puppet can do that for him. All he has to do is wink at him and grab his bulge in front of him.

While Ragan his begging to keep Matt, Matt is telling Lane to see if he can get Ragan on the block instead of him!

Ragan the talks some bullshit about wanting to get to the end with the only honorable people left in the game. Why was this person born?
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News to me that we're a species. I hope I'm not the neanderthal. :(
 
Kensei said:
She doesn't seem to flip flop that much though. When her mind is set, based on the history of her actions, she usually sticks with her original intentions doesn't she? .
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Not always. She wanted to use the POV on Hayden week 4 -- when Hayden and Kristin made that bogus deal with Brenchel that was going to make the love-buzzards look as foolish as Jeff when they got played one week later -- but the DR changed Rachel's mind, Rachel ending up threatening to put Lane up, and Britney then backed out of it.

And I mean, she did that for Lane, who is now telling her to put up Matt. I hope she goes with her instincts but I have no strong faith in her convictions.
 
Sgt Pepper said:
LOL over-reacting much? I'm gonna start believing falconfan's theory about gay men on TV and this board. ;)
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Obviously I'm exaggerating but Ragan's behavior is disgraceful.

You can believe falconfan's theory if you want I know it's total bullshit. I dont ask for that much from gay guys. I dont care if they are feminine/masculine/ whatever, I just want them to have a little bit of dignity and common sense. Ragan has neither.
 
aijalon18 said:
I agree Brendon and Britney have terrible social games and trust all the wrong people. But I dont think saving Matt would really be in her best interest. Matt has never really been on her side at all. He's never done anything for her or made her any promises. And as she pointed out he never asked for her vote. People just assume there was some Matt, Ragan, and Brit alliance but it was mostly them being in the have not room to together when Brit and Ragan were crying. Plus I think people want that to be an alliance but it's not.

We have seen it's Ragan and his bf Matt. ANd Ragan would glady throw Britney under the bus to save Matt any day. If she gets rid of Matt, it'll force Ragan to stick by her. He'll have no other options. As long as Matt is in the picture, Ragan is not gonna be looking out for Britney. Brit and Ragan will have to take each other to the end. They can't win against anyone else. And both of them are too immature and petty to consider taking Brendon.
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Ragan sticking by her won't mean much as one of them will be gone next week (and though they don't know it next Thursday). I mean Enzo and Hayden are not actively attempting to take out Brendon. In fact I doubt they'd have any problem throwing the next HOH to him as they both feel secure knowing he won't nominate them until AFTER Brit, Ragan, and Lane. They'd hand him this HOH Brit and Ragan would go up and her entire life would lie on the back of the next veto.

Matt keeps a target in the house and Matt AND Ragan keep a target that's bigger than her. i honestly would say her best interest is to try and get to a final three with Ragan and Brendon OR Raan would bring Brit. Brendon MIGHT. She'd stand a chance against either of them and Ragan would likely take the first round of HOH. Either way though Lane, Enzo, Hayden are firmly together she needs to break that up and hopefully shake Lane out so he needs to rely on her.
 
I think if we try to diagram loyalties now...

For Ragan: Matt>Ragan>Brit>Lane=Enzo=Hayden>Brendon
For Matt: Matt>Ragan>Lane=Enzo=Hayden>Brit>Brendon
For Brit: Brit>Lane>Ragan>Matt>Hayden>Enzon>Brendon
For Brendon: Rachel's Ghost>Brendon>Hayden=Enzo>Lane>Brit>Ragan>Matt
For Hayden: Hayden>Enzo>Lane>Brendon>Matt>Brit>Ragan
For Enzo: Enzo>Hayden>Lane>Brendon>Matt>Ragan>Brit
For Lane: Lane>Hayedn=Enzo>Brit>Matt>Brendon>Ragan
 
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