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The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread!

Favorite Madonna Album

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Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Echoing some of the comments I've read here, I'm wondering how you all feel about Madonna, and her talent, (or lack thereof...)

Myself, I'm kind of torn. On the one hand, she can be a brilliant entertainer, (and let's face it, they'll take away my 'gay card' if I say I don't care for her...;))

But, on the other... Hmm, I dunno, I just don't think she is a very good vocalist. Her singing is, at best, just average, and as much as I love "Oh, Father" and "Ray of Light", among many others, truth be told lots and lots of other people, armed with the best production and producers money can buy could achieve the same sound.

I think in the end she is a fantastic business woman, capable of reinventing her self for almost 25 years now. But, from a musical perspective, I just don't know....

Thoughts ?
 
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You got it right. She undeniably has got a talent... for business.
Her voice is nothing special... her music is composed by trendy musicians when not plain stolen... but she's clever/rich enough to make it all pass as her own talent... good for her.
 
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Does she have loads of musical talent? No, I don't think she does. Meaning if I was forming a band, I wouldn't invite her in, either as a musician or a vocalist. That said, I think she uses the talent she DOES have extremely well. Her vocal range isn't amazing, but she (and her songwriting partners) write songs that stay within it, and she can "sell" a song quite well. Yes, other vocalists could sing "Oh Father" stronger or "better", but I don't know if they could SELL it any better. I FEEL the song when she's singing it.

Non-Madonna example. You know the Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush song "Don't Give Up"?



Kate Bush isn't exactly a powerhouse vocalist, and she's even less so than normal here. But I think that's intentional. When she sings lines like "you're not beaten yet", I don't think "God, she sucks" (although some probably did). I think "God, she's so torn up she can hardly get the words out". It's really moving to me.

On the Secret World tour, Paula Cole took over as the female vocalist. She's a good singer, but she sings the lines far too strong, far too clearly, far too perfectly. The whole sense of urgency, of heartbreak, is gone.



Sometimes better isn't always better, if you catch my drift.

For the most part, Madonna has been savvy enough to write songs that FIT. Songs that it makes sense for a vocalist of her abilities to sing. Would you want someone belting out "Who's That Girl?" extremely strongly? No - it's a frothy pop song. She reminds me of Debbie Harry of Blondie, who also doesn't really have a great voice. But the songs she sings, again, fit her. "One Way or Another" isn't meant to be sung perfectly or strongly. It's meant to be sneered out with venom, and Debbie nails it.

Lex
 
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Madonna is way more talented than people give her credit for, i think her voice is above average, her voice has definatley grown better the past 25 years. Her voice is recognizable, when a madonna song comes on the radio, u know its a madonna song from the moment she opens her mouth.

But singing is not what madonna is about, she is about dancing, and not to mention madonna writes or co-writes on all her songs, except the songs on her "like a Virgin" album.


So yes, i would call madonna extremely talented, why else would she sell 300 million records worldwide?
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

huntneo said:
Hi! :wave:

HUGE Madonna fan here. :D


I will admit that Madonna's vocal range isn't all that great, but she isn't completely devoid of singing ability. I think she knows what she's capable of- and she uses it to her advantage. She is an amazing songwriter, excellent entertainer, and very innovative.

I find each and every one of her albums special in their own way, and I am continuously amazed at the stuff she comes up with (with the help of her producers of course).

Yes! She's a business girl who knows how to market herself. Nothing wrong with that...

I'm buying what she's selling- and so are many others. She produces quality music (in my opinion) that I enjoy listening to...and as long as she continues to do so...I have her back.


Let it will be. :)
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wow u pretty much summed it all up!!!!
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Huntneo beat me to posting. I would have said something along the same lines.

And yeah, you're right about sticking together.

mikey
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Not much of a voice.

She's primarily the product of marketing and microcircuitry.

But hell, she knows how to make a buck, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that there are SO many more talented people out there...why was she allowed to ruin "Evita?"
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

I always thought she was way underrated as a vocalist just because she's Madonna. Admittedly, she's no Annie Lennox, but I think she has more power as a singer then she's given credit for.

For example, take this famous live version of "Sooner or Later" from the Oscars. All live, without any overdubs a la Ashley Simpson (and this was before she underwent extensive vocal training for Evita):



BTW this song was not written by Madonna but by Stephen Sondheim, not a songwriter known for being easy on singers.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

She's not great consistently,but as that video showed,she has some vocal power(not terribly rangy,though) and she is a true entertainer.She as an entertainer alone would chew up and spit out someone like Ashley Simpson or Britney Spears.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

She can't sing but it's never been about that.

It's about the whole package.. good producers and good writers and good designers and videos and marketing.

It's about packaging just the thing that her audience wants.
 
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Clooneyesque said:
I always thought she was way underrated as a vocalist just because she's Madonna. Admittedly, she's no Annie Lennox, but I think she has more power as a singer then she's given credit for.

For example, take this famous live version of "Sooner or Later" from the Oscars. All live, without any overdubs a la Ashley Simpson (and this was before she underwent extensive vocal training for Evita):



BTW this song was not written by Madonna but by Stephen Sondheim, not a songwriter known for being easy on singers.
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This video proves one thing......she can sing
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

I don't think she's a fantastic singer and don't care for her recent stuff but I actually thought she was quite good in Evita (I've never seen the stage version though) - I mean she must be a darn good actress to pull off the character of a nakedly ambitious woman, determined to make it to the top at any cost, and happily receive the sometimes undeserved adoration of the masses... surely?
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

vermilion said:
She's more a product than an artist
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What makes u Think That?, she has amazing artistic credabilaty, Listen to her "True Blue" and "Like A Prayer" albums, then youll understand she is a damned good artist
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

The thing is there's plenty of rock/pop male singers who are no more technically proficient at vocals than Madonna is (if not worse) e.g. Roger Daltrey, Bono, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, ect. ect. ect. but no one makes a big deal over them for their singing. Now I wonder why that is.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

I think Madonna has an amazing, incredible overwhelming talent....


To get attention, and keep the attention.


No one has done it better than her in that regard.

She still sells, really well. She still comes up with interesting albums, that people want to buy.


In a business where the average career is 5 years; where artists with bigger voices, more powerful lyrics, and better musical originality are gone by the wayside, she's still on top.


That is not a small feat in any shape or form.

It is true that she does not have a huge vocal range, that is not a secret, she even said it herself. But so many singers with huge voices sing the same boring all out, climatic song over and over. She has had to diversify and find ways to use what she has.

So she does not have to worry about losing her voice (Whitney Houston?). And aging apparently has not stopped her from kicking butt. So more Kudos to her.


But don't mind me, I really don't care for those 'big' voices and prefer 'interesting' voices myself.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Not really all that talented in what regard? She's got a hell of a catalogue, which she contributed a lot to, puts on a great show, is a good singer (she's not Whitney Houston but she can sing), and is a great business woman.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Madonna will tell you she is not the best singer. But with Madonna, you get an entire package. She gives quite the show and she knows her vocal limits (something some singers don't really know about).

She'll never claim to be Whitney or Mariah or Christina but it's not like she's Ashlee Simpson. She writes, produces and arranges a lot of her stuff.

I really don't like her attitude sometimes and her music lately has not been some of my favorites but to say she is untalented is plain dumb.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

IMO she's a good artist, but not the best singer. There are plenty of better ones. But she's influential, opinionated, and tends to supports her causes.
 
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