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The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread!

Favorite Madonna Album


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Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

It ain't about the singing with Madonna. A lot of it is image. She is/was controversial and always went against the grain, musically or socially.
 
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No one goes to see Madonna because she hits the high note. They go for the spectacle. It's intriguing to people what she'll look like, what her songs will sound like. She always changes it up.

I never get when people call any artist horrible or not talented at all...there has to be SOME talent there or they wouldn't be around. It's not like Madonna was picked randomly off the street and made into a superstar. People are quick to jump on celebs and claim that "anyone could do that if they had all the help he/she has." Bull. You can't create charisma and you can't force people to be interested in you. Sometimes marketing and producers get too much credit for success. They're only building on - not creating.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

^I agree. Madonna has talent. Who are we to say what real talent is? Singing like Celine Dion is not the only way to sing.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

She's more talented than any other female artists out there. If you listen to her voice from her first record and her last record you can tell the differece that she's has gotten a lot better. She's a perfectionist, You will never see her go on MTV and perform like Britney if she thinks she's not up to it. You gotta admit all her songs has very catchy melody though. She's always working with different poeple so her music will always be up to date, that's why she lasted this long. OK so she doesn't have a powerful voice like Whitney Houston or Christina Aguillera but she's better than alot of female artists out there.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Madonna may not have a 8 octave range.....

But at least she doesn't sound like a cat in a blender....nor has there ever been a "fat Madonna" stage...
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

>>>If you listen to her voice from her first record and her last record you can tell the differece that she's has gotten a lot better.

Her voice HAS gotten better...up through the mid or late 90s. Her last three albums have utilized a lot of vocodering and ProTooling. Yes, they were all "dance" albums, but it does make me wonder how necessary those moves were.

Lex
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Madonna, who I love, isn't much of a singer and her writing is not prolific....she is a great preforming artist who is able to tap into different cultures and subcultures and give them a voice in her music.

From the beginning when she was a boy toy she took the subculture of that New York scene and brought it to the mainstream, and she took vogue from the black gay clubs/ball scene and gave it to the mainstream, she's done this all the way to her electronic days.

That is why she is able to always change because she is a communicator of different cultures and ideas.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

for me she's talented and that's the only opinion that matters to me (musically speaking).
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Madonna may not have a 8 octave range.....

But at least she doesn't sound like a cat in a blender....nor has there ever been a "fat Madonna" stage...
It is amazing in this era of entertainers falling apart at the seams and going through a living hell through the media that however shocking and wild Madonna seemed to be,she has done a great job of remaining in control of her life,having a family life,and not once having to use the farcical rehab stint.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

I'm still not a fan (although the only thing I've actively disliked her doing was Evita) a couple of these posts do make a lot of sense.
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Echoing some of the comments I've read here, I'm wondering how you all feel about Madonna, and her talent, (or lack thereof...)

In the raw talent department, she's a mediocrity at best, especially when compared to gay icons of yore, like Barbra Streistand and most especially Judy Garland. For years I dismissed Garland as the archetypal 'child star come to a bad end', and indeed she was, but she was also prodigeously talented: a great actress, terrific dancer, and on top of that . . . that voice. In her ability to put over a song, her only female equivalent was Billie Holiday. In fact, I wouldn't hesitate to call her the female Sinatra. Nobody would ever say any of the above about Madonna.

But then like Floria Tosca, Judy Garland was an artist; Madonna, conversely is a business person with a keen knack for self-promotion (which is an art unto itself, albeit a degraded one). If Sinatra is Garland's male equivalent, Madonna's are . . . Mick Jagger and David Bowie: self marketers sine qua non. However, unlike them, she hasn't written any songs of the calibre of, say, 'Wild Horses' or 'Heroes' (to name a few of many).

Which brings me to considering that at least part of Madonna's problem as a vocalist resides in the material available to her. Returning to Judy Garland, not only does she lack the pipes, neither does she have the likes of Irving Berlin or Harold Arlen lining up to write songs for her -- popular music composers of that caliber just don't exist anymore. Neither Billy Holiday nor Fred Astaire had 'great' voices, but each had that uncanny ability to 'put over a song', and thus are rightly remembered as great vocalists of The Great American Songbook.

Perhaps Madonna should consider recording an album of 'standards' from the Great American Songbook, just to see if she has that ability to 'put over a song'. But then to do that, a vocalist also has to be a good actor, and we all know about her talents in that department. Recall again that Sinatra, Garland, and Astaire all turned in some great movie performances where they didn't sing a note.

Which reminds me of yet another gay icon of yore: Maria Callas. La Divina's instrument wasn't as beautiful as many of her contemporaries -- her perfomances are so riviting because she was a great singing actress. You really believe her 'Tosca' is capable of stabbing Scarpia; her 'Medea' of murdering her children (a role which she performed non-vocally for Pasolini in his 1970 movie of the original Euripides.)

So in the final analysis, I suspect Madonna will be remembered as one of those people who are 'famous for being famous'. As there really isn't much there, I suspect her reputation will last no longer than her career.
 
Re: Madonna - American Life

I love "American Life," too DarkEmoBoi. In fact, it's probably my favorite Madonna studio album of this decade.

But in Lady M standards, it was a commercial flop.

1990's "I'm Breathless," spent 25 weeks on the Billboard 200 and was actually certified 2X platinum.

Not so much for "American Life." Although it managed a No. 1 debut, it only lasted 14 weeks total on the album chart and has barely registered as platinum.

There's been so much "he said, she said" about why this album tanked four years ago but I truly feel it was all about timing. Timing is everything. And in this case, her timing stunk!

She released the album under a cloud of her own controversy: yanking her anti-Bush/anti-war video right when the war in the middle east had just begun. Although 9 out of 10 people never saw the "American Life" video, everybody had heard what she did and sensed she was admitting to making a mistake. So there was no good publicity for the album.

The follow-up single didn't regenerate any interest since "Hollywood" seemed to bite the hand that feeds it with the line, 'music stations always play the same songs.'

Everybody has their own theory as to why "Life" tanked whether it be from "it was bad" to "rap was the dominant force in music at the time" to something else but I'm just chalking it up as bad timing.

*** KEVIN IN SOUTH TULSA ***
 
Re: Madonna...Not Really All That Talented ?

Every genre seems to have their Madonna by now.

Shania Twain is the best-selling female vocalist in country music EVER!!!

Even outselling vocal gymnasts Tammy Wynette, LeAnn Rimes and Patsy Cline.

But come on (and I do love me some Shania) -- she has one of the most ordinary voices the world has ever known (although it's not nearly as bad as Lopez, Spears, etc.).

So, being a 24-year-Madonna fan, my verdict on M's talent? Yes, yes, yes!!! Another Patsy Cline. Oh hell no. And that's just fine with me.

*** KEVIN IN SOUTH TULSA ***
 
Re: Madonna - American Life

Anything Madonna after 1989 is just meh! American Life sucked, but it had my most favorite Madonna track on it: Nothing fails. I am still disappointed that there is no official video, although it was released as a single.
 
Re: Madonna - American Life

Easily my least favorite album of hers. I think I understand what she was doing with it, though. Her previous album (Music) was good, but she almost sounded like a guest star on her own album - the producers rather overshadowed her contributions. So I think she tried to reassert herself by injecting more of herself into the lyrics. Unfortunately, I found those lyrics to be clumsy and silly much of the time. In addition, the music didn't get any better - it didn't sound "cold" (which is what I think she was going for) so much as robotic and lifeless. It's her one album that I now own absolutely nothing from...and I don't feel the loss in any way.

Lex
 
Re: Madonna - American Life

I didn't like anything Madonna did with Mirwais. He was so over-rated, and the stuff he did with her was not at all up to par as far as a Madonna album is concerned; since I do like her music most of the time.

I agree with G-Lexington with respect to his opinion to "Music." It was more of a producers showcase, and although she's worked with a number of producers on past albums like "Bedtime Stories" and her debut, they were still cohesive. "Music" was too soon, albeit a pressured, follow up to "Ray of Light."

That aside, I do like the Above and Beyond remix of "Nobody Knows Me," and "X-Static Process (SIC?)" is somewhat tolerable. Which, BTW, DarkEmoBoi, because Madonna sings "Jesus Christ..." in the latter mentioned song is also one of the reasons for the parental advisory label...go figure.
 
Re: Madonna - American Life

From DarkEmoBoi:

just cuz she mentioned a religious figure made it parental advisory?

Yep...in addition to the expletive. Here's the deal...

If there was no cussing and Madonna still sang "Jesus Christ what's wrong with me..." or whatever the exact words are that she sings on "Xstatic process", it would still warrant a parental advisory. Had she sung "Jesus Christ, I will raise you up my lord, my God" then it wouldn't, since she's not taken a religious name in vain.

It used to be when an expletive was used like fuck, and it wasn't to express that of the act of sex, somehow singers and bands could get away with not having a parental advisory label. Now if even the album title is suggestive you can always expect a sticker...plus it's believed by the industry if their artists manage to get a PA sticker on their releases, it will sell more albums.
 
Re: Madonna - American Life

Hmm, though I do like Madonna, American Life is the only album of hers I actually own. I thought it was a great CD and I love the title track, Madonna raps? Who Knew?
 
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