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- = - = - = - THE OLYMPICS - = - = - = - (your comments on the sport events)

Gays get beat up in Russia. Gays get beat up in the US. Gays get beat up in Canada. Gays get beat up around the world. Freedom has nothing to do with it.
 
Alnitak said:
I can't follow sporting events in a country where gays are being beaten up.

Honestly, I don't know how you all do it and wake up in the morning with a clear conscience.
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Eh, I watch it for the athletes. The politics of it all is sickening, surely...but as someone with a personal history tied to the Olympics, the athletes go through an ungodly amount of stress to just make it there. I have no desire to politicize their experiences.
 
Virtue & Moir were robbed. Obviously the collusion to screw Canada was real. Shameful.
 
Well I am a retired figure skater myself and I have met some of the skaters that are currently on/off the olympics team. All the skaters have big dreams and ambitions just like everyone else does, and a lot of the skaters/ coaches are gay themselves. They are not anti-gay ; not even the russian skaters. In fact a lot of the skaters (esp the European ones) are actually pro-gay.
Putin is the real asshole here :mad:
I am semi-boycotting the event (Torrenting the HELL out of the skating events instead of watching it legally like in the past olympics). Feels really weird to see them on the big screen.

So proud of Hanyu right now ; have been a fan of his since 2011. He almost got killed during the tsunami hit Japan in 2012 :(

Don't be sad Canada, Brian Orser (Canada) should be proud that his student is a gold Olympian!!!! :)

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Go Japan (!)

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Proud of you Hanyu!!!!!!! :) (*8*)

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Johnny said Hanyu's costume is designed by him! :)


Basically men's figure skating event is won by a student (who's quite possibly gay) of a gay coach (Brian Orser) and his clothes are designed by a gay person (Johnny Weird)


TAKE THAT RUSSIA! JUST ACCEPPT IT!!!!
 
mikey3000 said:
Virtue & Moir were robbed. Obviously the collusion to screw Canada was real. Shameful.
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OMG Even on JUB :x

V&M were not robbed, they all knew this all along. They includes - Meryl/Charlie/Tessa/Scott/Marina/Igor/USFSA/SC and who knows who else.

If everything was really fair, the ones who should have won based on this season's programs and this season's only were Elena Ilinykh and Nikita Katsalapov especially with their Black Swan FD.

Anyway, since Meryl & Charlie are my favorites I don't care whether it was set up or not. They won the Olympics. The end :=D::gogirl:(!)
 
People who buy tickets and watch winter games are stupid.
Why they like the cold so much ??
 
And people who buy tickets and watch golf are stupid.
Why do they want to watch golfers walking and swinging at a tiny white ball ? :lol:
 
The Olympics is about being the best at that moment.

Virtue and Moir's twizzles were not as in sync as Charlie/Meryl, I could post video in slow motion showing that but the video would be pulled down. I liked when Meryl leaps onto Charlie's shoulder. That was original. I liked their program and I liked Virtue/Moir's program

NBC Nightly New ruined it for me by announcing polympic results were they were going to talk about Charlie and Meryl. They were talking about them because they obviously won

Bobsledding outfits sucked. LOL
 
Dejavudoo said:
The anti-Russian sentiment seems like an unevenly applied indignation.

After all, where's the indignation at ALL Olympics for defining pairs skating as male and female? How homophobic is that? There is no inherent athletic or aesthetic value, but mere homophobia.

If contrast of stronger and weaker, larger and smaller, or even masculine and feminine is wanted, it could still be two men or two women. But no. The whole exercise is a modeling of the mating game, the heterosexual mating game.

So, if we're going to condemn the Olympics merely because Russia isn't some socially progressive bulwark, then let's start being more thoughtful about it.

After all, we're talking about the repression of gays, a population of 3-10% by most estimates...

When will it ever be enough?
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This is not about Russia not being a "socially progressive bulwark." This is about basic human rights, the right to live free and decent. Russians are not even allowed a generic protest of the government, nevermind gays. No country should be allowed to host the a world event that does not meet the essential standards of human rights.

My family fled from several parts of Eastern Europe notorious for anti-Semitism, and when Lithuania was part of the Russian Empire. It is still a problem today.

Also, your analogy to 1936 is spot on. Western powers get a lot of criticism for ignoring the Nuremburg Laws, but to tell you the truth the Jews themselves did little to nothing. It was only when Kristallnacht happened that people panicked, but of course it took years of propaganda and increasingly harsh laws for that to even happen. So of course people don't care about the ongoing homophobia in Russia, not even other gays. It will take a single focused atrocity. I would rather not wait.



What about the repression of women? Neither the U.S. nor Russia has had a woman head of state, and through much more quiet cultural suppression of political power. By that fact, women should boycott any Olympics in either country.
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Is that a joke?
 
Seeing how the Russian audience applauded only their own ice dance teams I guess I can understand from that how they are so passionate abut their old values/beliefs. :(
 
The thread topic is . . . .

- = - = - = - THE OLYMPICS - = - = - = - (your comments on the sport events)
 
Alnitak said:
I can't follow sporting events in a country where gays are being beaten up.

Honestly, I don't know how you all do it and wake up in the morning with a clear conscience.
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Alnitak said:
This is not about Russia not being a "socially progressive bulwark." This is about basic human rights, the right to live free and decent. Russians are not even allowed a generic protest of the government, nevermind gays. No country should be allowed to host the a world event that does not meet the essential standards of human rights.

My family fled from several parts of Eastern Europe notorious for anti-Semitism, and when Lithuania was part of the Russian Empire. It is still a problem today.

Also, your analogy to 1936 is spot on. Western powers get a lot of criticism for ignoring the Nuremburg Laws, but to tell you the truth the Jews themselves did little to nothing. It was only when Kristallnacht happened that people panicked, but of course it took years of propaganda and increasingly harsh laws for that to even happen. So of course people don't care about the ongoing homophobia in Russia, not even other gays. It will take a single focused atrocity. I would rather not wait.





Is that a joke?
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I'm surprised you haven't driven yourself into a catatonic state. One person cannot right all wrongs or cure all ills.
 
Dejavudoo said:
After all, we're talking about the repression of gays, a population of 3-10% by most estimates.
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This statement is morally bankrupt as a qualification either on social injustice/persecution, or as an excuse for not doing enough to oppose the same.

Jewish people living within the borders of Germany on the eve of WWII were only 0.3% of the total population of Germany.
 
Dejavudoo said:
Except that it isn't a statement made in a vacuum. It is a comparison addressing proportion of outrage, indignation, protest, or propaganda. The Russians haven't enacted a pogrom. They haven't tried to exterminate gays. They haven't tried to deport them.
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The boycotting of events or business or imports from a country endorsing heinously unjust policies is an entirely reasonable protest against those policies. You paint Alnitak's position as unreasonable or out of proportion as though what he's demanded is a Normandy style invasion or WWIII. This is really no different from gay people who felt disgusted seeing other gay people talk about patronizing Chik-fil-a.

I'd have more respect for people simply saying they don't give (enough of) a shit about the situation because they love the Olympics, and that's more important to them, than these morally bankrupt excuses.
 
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