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The Pope on gay marriage

otters said:
Last paragraph:

"Gay marriage, however, was not a topic that Francis dwelled on during his six-day, three-city tour of the United States. Rather, he delved frequently into immigration, climate change and fighting poverty."
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It would appear that most people are skeptical, rightly so, that it even happened... Yes, it does indeed say that. ..|
 
Well then that pretty much clears up any question of where he stands, doesn't it.
 
That actually makes me think worse of him, no matter what was said, this is a defacto endorsement of bigotry.
 
https://newwaysministryblog.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/pope-francis-meeting-with-kim-davis-raises-a-red-flag/

Not surprising, but still odd on many levels. In the interview on the plane, the Pope discussed the issue of religious conscience without mentioning that he had met with Davis. Less than candid at best. Even on his own case, making special arrangements to meet with a political polarizing and controversial figure like Davis is counter to the Pope's pleas for inclusion and tolerance.

But, as I say, no surprise. This Pope may be less straightforward in his antipathy towards gays, but he's still Catholic.



 
When speculation is the only show in town the imagination can run riot...

If only that proverbial fly on the wall were nearby to share its secrets....

Gullty by association...

It has been said, and often...that when hatred is the judge....the verdict is always......guilty.
 
This opinion is rather more telling when understanding how religion works in the United States...particularly, when the more conservative elements of society work together..

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/revangelical/2015/09/30/pope-francis-kim-davis-and-a-natio...

I quote:

I am no Vatican insider, but from everything I can tell from watching Pope Francis, this doesn’t seem like a situation that he would willingly walk into on his own accord. A colleague of mine who is a leading Catholic commentator and scholar said that he could “see the USCCB’s fingerprints all over this.” In other words, the conservative leaders in the Council of Bishops likely conspired with other conservative organizations to get Davis a quick, unplanned meeting with the Pope in order to create the illusion that Francis was sympathetic to her plight and supported her refusal to grant civil rights to LGBTQ couples in her county.

It’s shameful that the deep partisan divides in our nations political and religious institutions have become so severe that this level of manipulation and deception would occur at such high levels to create the illusion of support from a major religious leader. It’s not surprising. But it is shameful. We are facing a great crisis in our nation. One where our political wars and religious divisions are literally tearing our nation apart. Both sides of the hot button issues believe they are in the right and feel justified in doing almost anything to win. Neither side is willing to talk to their opponents, to hear another perspective, to be challenged or to learn. If this behavior continues, we will never see any progress on any of the important issues that we must address as a nation.
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kallipolis said:
When speculation is the only show in town the imagination can run riot...

If only that proverbial fly on the wall were nearby to share its secrets....

Gullty by association...

It has been said, and often...that when hatred is the judge....the verdict is always......guilty.
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And, when gullibility is the judge, the verdict always not guilty.

Speculation and hatred have nothing to do with it. One doesn't need to get into the content of the meeting to know, as now confirmed, that the Pope took the time to meet with a rabidly anti-gay polemicist. He was then directly questioned on the issue and failed to disclose a meeting, which is at the core of what he is talking about. He's supposed to be a moral leader, not a poker player. The choice, symbolism and impact of the meeting is unavoidable and speaks for itself.

At odds with the compassion and respect towards gays that he preached. At best, the Pope was politically naive. At worst, hateful and duplicitous.
 
I have to admit, it's a little hard to buy into the idea that Francis was deceived and tricked into having a meeting with Kim Davis, especially since she's such a well recognizable martyr to so many of the conservative faithful.
 
I think Francis has said a lot of great things and is pretty likable.

The meeting with Davis is pretty disgusting, though.
 
It is my impression that Apostolic Christians do not adhere to the idea of papal infallibility. And at least some Apostolic Christians do not subscribe to the concept of the Trinity as three separate entities. In that general context, can anyone shed some light on the religious significance (if any) of Mrs. Davis’ counsel from Pope Francis. Does the outcome of their meeting constitute an endorsement of Mrs. Davis' positions and actions from an outsider, or does it qualify as a significant blessing of some sort from the leader of a sect of the faith that is not Apostolic Christian?
 
opinterph said:
It is my impression that Apostolic Christians do not adhere to the idea of papal infallibility. And at least some Apostolic Christians do not subscribe to the concept of the Trinity as three separate entities. In that general context, can anyone shed some light on the religious significance (if any) of Mrs. Davis’ counsel from Pope Francis. Does the outcome of their meeting constitute an endorsement of Mrs. Davis' positions and actions from an outsider, or does it qualify as a significant blessing of some sort from the leader of a sect of the faith that is not Apostolic Christian?
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Significance of the Ms-Davis-meeting? Zero, IMHO.
Reason:
The Pontifex isn't always or merely a religious leader; he's also and predominantly when paying a state visit a (foreign) Head of State (insofar, "outsider" is correct). And in that role, paying a state visit, he meets dissidents — of all shades. That may be disenthraling in that particular case, but it's no different if another Head of State is meeting dissidents. It's just a diplomatic custom, after all.
 
If she is a dissident, which of his policies do you feel she opposes?
 
Jacquemar said:
If she is a dissident, which of his policies do you feel she opposes?
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LOL, I guess you misunderstood me completely. The Pontiff quite certainly doesn't care what she opposes regarding the Pontiff's policies. The point is: She can be considered a dissident regarding the state he is visiting. She doesn't have the significance of an Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, that's completely clear. But she is some sort of dissident, and that's the point where diplomatic customs play a role :)
 
zoltanspawn said:
I think Francis has said a lot of great things and is pretty likable.

The meeting with Davis is pretty disgusting, though.
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It could also be argued that Neville Chamberlain's meeting at Munich, with Adolph Hitler was disgusting....but necessary...for it bought the UK sufficient time to rearm, anticipating the approaching world war.

Otters makes an excellent point when reminding the American posters that their United States centric perspectives are at odds with the thinking of the rest of the world, when discussing people, such as Kim Davies whose actions generate such passionate responses.
 
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