The Queen is Dead. Long live the King.

[rareboy]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. The wife of the King is the Queen. Period. It's not necessary to keep adding "Consort", although that's what Camilla clearly is. Any suggestion that she's about to be crowned as some sort of joint monarch, a modern day William and Mary perhaps, is obviously and completely ridiculous.

Perhaps.

But apparently only 14% of Brits want to see her as Queen.

 

[Essex Boy]

Well the Palace may have really fucked this up.

Only 14% of Brits apparently think that Camilla should become queen. Ouch.

MSN

The opinion poll referred to in the Daily Express piece was conducted by Deltapoll on behalf of Mail Online and got picked up by a number of other papers. Here's Deltapoll bigging itself up:

Human behaviour is a product of both emotion and reason, but the former has long been under-represented in polling techniques. We have developed methods that measure the heart as well as the head. We are particularly keen to explain and predict those behaviours that are the product of experience, emotion and external influence, as well as rational thought.

What we do | Deltapoll

deltapoll.co.uk

This is the full poll as a PDF: https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/coronationandroyalfamily and here is a sample of the questions with the possible answers. First, what should Camilla's official title be?



We've discussed this already so there's no point repeating it here, but notice that the pollsters include Duchess of Cornwall, which is impossible. If it was included as a "dummy" answer to flush out any bozos amongst the respondents that fact should have been flagged up in the document (like the "Earl and Countess of Wivenhoe" later on).

Next, who would you choose to remove from the line of succession?



Camilla cannot be removed from the line of succession because as Queen Consort she is not in the line of succession to begin with. Later options include Andrew, his two daughters and two grandchildren, who have a such a vanishingly remote chance of becoming monarch that it hardly seems worthwhile crossing their names off the list. The only consequence of doing so would be that everyone behind them would move up five places, so that for example the Duke of Kent's grandson Cassius Taylor would go from 48th to 43rd. Yeehaw! King Cassius. Bring it on! (Here's the line of succession if anyone's curious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_British_throne#Current_line_of_succession)

Then there's a question about who should get pocket money out of the sovereign grant, which the Deltapollsters call "public money from British taxpayers". No it isn't; though granted, if the dosh paid out in the sovereign grant can be reduced it will free up more money for public works. The king is known to be keen to get it down, although the wording of the question, and the list of names given, implies that the royals see it as a many-nippled beast from which they can all suck their fill.



The trouble is, the Prince of Wales and his household pay their own way:

The Prince of Wales's life and work are funded predominantly by the Duchy of Cornwall. The Prince of Wales does not receive money from the Sovereign Grant, but it is used, in part, to support His Royal Highness's official activities.

Royal Finances

How is the work of The King funded? How much does the Royal Family cost the tax payer each year? Does The King pay tax – and if not, why not? And do the Crown...

www.royal.uk

Princess Anne's son and daughter are not royals. Not even minor royals. She wanted them brought up that way. They support themselves. Zara is a professional horserider and Peter is (I think) some sort of farmer. Not just jobs but proper jobs! This is very well known, and for the pollsters to bring them into this question is just lazy.

Next question. When Wm. & Kate's eldest is king, should his brother and sister work for a living?



How can you answer that? They will be doing whatever royals do when they become adults. They will probably inherit the pet projects and schemes that keep the present senior royals occupied. Who knows what the world will look like in twenty years? They are a long-lived family. George VII might not be crowned till 2077.

Deltapoll interviewed 1,569 GB adults in GB online from 24th - 27th March 2023. The data have been weighted to be representative of the GB adult population as a whole.

^ Translation: Deltapoll asked 1,569 people a litany of stupid questions and, surprise surprise, got a lot of stupid answers. The Express and the rest picked it up and wrote headlines like "Brits don't think Camilla should become Queen as shock poll takes aim at King's wife".

It's gone midnight. Time for bed. Tomorrow I'll tell you what I found out about the infamous Earl and Countess of Wivenhoe. It will shock you!

 

[unloadonme]

The opinion poll referred to in the Daily Express piece was conducted by Deltapoll on behalf of Mail Online and got picked up by a number of other papers. Here's Deltapoll bigging itself up:



This is the full poll as a PDF: https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/coronationandroyalfamily and here is a sample of the questions with the possible answers. First, what should Camilla's official title be?

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We've discussed this already so there's no point repeating it here, but notice that the pollsters include Duchess of Cornwall, which is impossible. If it was included as a "dummy" answer to flush out any bozos amongst the respondents that fact should have been flagged up in the document (like the "Earl and Countess of Wivenhoe" later on).

Next, who would you choose to remove from the line of succession?

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Camilla cannot be removed from the line of succession because as Queen Consort she is not in the line of succession to begin with. Later options include Andrew, his two daughters and two grandchildren, who have a such a vanishingly remote chance of becoming monarch that it hardly seems worthwhile crossing their names off the list. The only consequence of doing so would be that everyone behind them would move up five places, so that for example the Duke of Kent's grandson Cassius Taylor would go from 48th to 43rd. Yeehaw! King Cassius. Bring it on! (Here's the line of succession if anyone's curious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_British_throne#Current_line_of_succession)

Then there's a question about who should get pocket money out of the sovereign grant, which the Deltapollsters call "public money from British taxpayers". No it isn't; though granted, if the dosh paid out in the sovereign grant can be reduced it will free up more money for public works. The king is known to be keen to get it down, although the wording of the question, and the list of names given, implies that the royals see it as a many-nippled beast from which they can all suck their fill.

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The trouble is, the Prince of Wales and his household pay their own way:



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Princess Anne's son and daughter are not royals. Not even minor royals. She wanted them brought up that way. They support themselves. Zara is a professional horserider and Peter is (I think) some sort of farmer. Not just jobs but proper jobs! This is very well known, and for the pollsters to bring them into this question is just lazy.

Next question. When Wm. & Kate's eldest is king, should his brother and sister work for a living?

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How can you answer that? They will be doing whatever royals do when they become adults. They will probably inherit the pet projects and schemes that keep the present senior royals occupied. Who knows what the world will look like in twenty years? They are a long-lived family. George VII might not be crowned till 2077.

^ Translation: Deltapoll asked 1,569 people a litany of stupid questions and, surprise surprise, got a lot of stupid answers. The Express and the rest picked it up and wrote headlines like "Brits don't think Camilla should become Queen as shock poll takes aim at King's wife".

It's gone midnight. Time for bed. Tomorrow I'll tell you what I found out about the infamous Earl and Countess of Wivenhoe. It will shock you!

Well said Sir. I agree with every word.

The only point I'd amplify concerns the Sovereign Grant. For almost 300 years, the monarch has surrendered the entire income from the Crown Estate to the state in return for a payment to enable him or her and certain members of the royal family to carry out Head of State duties. In effect, therefore, the monarch is just being given back a small proportion of his or her own money.

Sovereign Grant Act 2011 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[unloadonme]

The lighter side:

King Charles: Chocolate bust created to celebrate coronation

Miniature bars including Twix and Milky Way feature on the chocolate bust of King Charles.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[rareboy]

So all you royal stans...Have you started making your Coronation Quiche and decorating your cookies yet?

Union Jack shortbread recipe

These glitzy and glittery Union Jack biscuits are the perfect bake to bring to a Coronation or Eurovision party.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Alistair]

It looks like Scotland is completely being the Crown

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
That video of massed morons can't spell the word 'arse'.

 

[rareboy]

And here we thought it was only the Irish you enjoyed slagging off.

 

[Essex Boy]

I wonder if any of the guests tomorrow will make an impression like Sālote Tupou III, the legendary 6ft 3ins tall Queen of Tonga, did at the last coronation.

She brought Tonga to international attention when, during her sole visit to Europe, she attended the 1953 coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in London. During the coronation procession, it began to rain and hoods were placed on the carriages in the procession. As Tongan custom dictates that one should not imitate the actions of persons one is honouring, she refused a hood and rode through the pouring rain in an open carriage with Sultan Ibrahim IV of Kelantan, endearing herself to spectators.

Sālote Tupou III - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Edmundo Ros immortalised the event in song. If any of the music in the concert on Sunday is half as entertaining as this I'll eat cold coronation quiche for breakfast every day for a month—and I HATE butter beans.

 

[rareboy]

If only there were any 'royal' rulers (or other rulers) half as endearing today, to make what is going to be the muddiest, most forgettable spectacle worthy of a song.

But Harry will be Sharpied out of the events and likely won't be smiling much anyway as he is forced to watch the event from a back row seat.

Instead, it will be super-annuated, utterly forgettable 'nobility' and their lifeless, bland progeny...with all the women in stupid hats...play acting for the final scenes of the Hanoverians pretending they are still all somehow anointed by their Anglican God.

 

[LoveMyPeppermill]

^ oh, the hats will be very entertaining ^

 

[rareboy]

 

[NotHardUp1]

No, it's too late. Really.

There is no justice.

 

[Essex Boy]

^
There'll be a chance to get your hands on some of Freddie Mercury's regalia later in the year.

Freddie Mercury: Queen star's friend Mary Austin to auction his personal treasures

The late Queen singer left his house and its contents, including lyrics and costumes, to Mary Austin.

www.bbc.co.uk

All 1,500 items will go on display at Sotheby's in London in the summer in a sequence of specially designed galleries, devoted to a different aspect of Mercury's life, before they are sold in September.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I was hoping to save my money until I could pick up a relic . . .

 

[NotHardUp1]

I could swear that I just heard one of the BBC narrators announce that King "William" would retire during the singing of the hymn to prepare for his procession.

Did I?

 

[pornoboy]

Candy-cake presented to Ch III during his recent visit to Berlin, Germany.


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[NotHardUp1]

I could swear that I just heard one of the BBC narrators announce that King "William" would retire during the singing of the hymn to prepare for his procession.

Did I?

Maybe he just said, "the King will retire during . . . "

 

[unloadonme]

 

[unloadonme]