The "Right" to be Fat

[Just_Believe18]

Look again. I said they may or may not be accompanied br overweight. Many who are not overweight have hypertension, diabetes, heart disease. Not all fat people have any of those conditions. Type 1 diabetes is not associated with over weight. For that matter, not all people who drink soda become fat. Those who do eat other things as well and do not become fat because they drink pop alone. Don't be in such a hurry to submit to authority. It is not like government agencies don 't make big mistakes, and they alway seek ways to extend their regulation.

I shouldn't have to look again. Please communicate your points more coherently as they are often difficult to understand and comprehend. That being said, let me respond to your clarification:

What statistical information do you have that "many who are not overweight" also have all the health illnesses you described? Statistics show that a greater number of these majorities are a result of obesity. To say obesity's impact on these illnesses is over exaggerated is false. That's like saying smoking causing cancer is exaggerated because many people can get cancer other ways. Obesity kills, and it kills in massive numbers every year. For example, it's funny you should bring up Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes. Yes, Type 1 is not associated with being overweight. Type 2 is. What's the difference in numbers? Type 2 diabetes is associated with 90% of total cases of diabetes. http://www.diffen.com/difference/Type_1_Diabetes_vs_Type_2_Diabetes

Also, you're ignoring the points I'm making about "big government" already involved in your choices of food. The federal government subsidizes the corn, cattle, and diary industries with huge amounts of dollars every year. The price of corn, beef, and dairy products are subsidized by your tax dollars to be cheaper than healthier food options of fruits and vegetables. This is why high fructose corn syrup replaces basic sugar. This is why hamburger meat is a food staple greater than any vegetable or fruit on the market.

The purpose of this discussion is to point out that our food network is unhealthy and encouraging obesity in this country. Choices are limited, and people are being forced out of cost and convenience to choose food options that are calorie-ridden, unhealthy, and disastrous to the future health of this country. Chance1 brought up a very good point that even if you think adults have a choice, children don't. Parents and schools are feeding children the byproduct of this federally subsidized and corporate unregulated food that has made 16-17% of the child population in this country obese. It is a public health disaster. Please do more research on this matter. A true conservative would be appalled by the dysfunctional relationship between government and business that grows and sells to the consumer an unhealthy, flawed food product.

 

[Telstra]

junk food/drinks should not be advertised. Its like smoking really.

 

[Kulindahr]

The purpose of this discussion is to point out that our food network is unhealthy and encouraging obesity in this country. Choices are limited, and people are being forced out of cost and convenience to choose food options that are calorie-ridden, unhealthy, and disastrous to the future health of this country. Chance1 brought up a very good point that even if you think adults have a choice, children don't. Parents and schools are feeding children the byproduct of this federally subsidized and corporate unregulated food that has made 16-17% of the child population in this country obese. It is a public health disaster. Please do more research on this matter. A true conservative would be appalled by the dysfunctional relationship between government and business that grows and sells to the consumer an unhealthy, flawed food product.

Absolutely. I've pointed out several times here recently that actual conservatives would demand an immediate end to government subsidies for businesses. Republicans fight like rabid dogs to keep corporate welfare. What that tells me is that they don't believe in capitalism -- just in profit.

 

[Telstra]

Here in Australia, fast food outlets have recently been required to display calorie content for every item on their menu. It's sobering to see that the chocolate muffin you're contemplating has more calories than a Big Mac!

Personally, I think that Government should encourage healthy food choices, rather than restrict choice. Why not make fresh fruits, vegetables and lean meats tax free, and double the sales tax on processed foods?

I recently noticed how hard it is to burn of the calories.
I used the rowing machine and row for 2000m and only burn 100 something calories.

 

[Benvolio]

I shouldn't have to look again. Please communicate your points more coherently as they are often difficult to understand and comprehend. That being said, let me respond to your clarification:

What statistical information do you have that "many who are not overweight" also have all the health illnesses you described? Statistics show that a greater number of these majorities are a result of obesity. To say obesity's impact on these illnesses is over exaggerated is false. That's like saying smoking causing cancer is exaggerated because many people can get cancer other ways. Obesity kills, and it kills in massive numbers every year. For example, it's funny you should bring up Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes. Yes, Type 1 is not associated with being overweight. Type 2 is. What's the difference in numbers? Type 2 diabetes is associated with 90% of total cases of diabetes. http://www.diffen.com/difference/Type_1_Diabetes_vs_Type_2_Diabetes

Also, you're ignoring the points I'm making about "big government" already involved in your choices of food. The federal government subsidizes the corn, cattle, and diary industries with huge amounts of dollars every year. The price of corn, beef, and dairy products are subsidized by your tax dollars to be cheaper than healthier food options of fruits and vegetables. This is why high fructose corn syrup replaces basic sugar. This is why hamburger meat is a food staple greater than any vegetable or fruit on the market.

The purpose of this discussion is to point out that our food network is unhealthy and encouraging obesity in this country. Choices are limited, and people are being forced out of cost and convenience to choose food options that are calorie-ridden, unhealthy, and disastrous to the future health of this country. Chance1 brought up a very good point that even if you think adults have a choice, children don't. Parents and schools are feeding children the byproduct of this federally subsidized and corporate unregulated food that has made 16-17% of the child population in this country obese. It is a public health disaster. Please do more research on this matter. A true conservative would be appalled by the dysfunctional relationship between government and business that grows and sells to the consumer an unhealthy, flawed food product.

Your position is that people eat"corn, beef, and dairy products " because they are cheaper than fruit and vegetables? No, they are more satisfying. More importantly fruits and vegetables are not good sources of protein. Sure, if you want to eat beans, beans and more beans you can get by without meat and dairy. Most people don't want to. By the way, people don't eat much corn. What you are hearing about is field corn, fed to livestock. I don't think many Doctors would agree with you that we should stop dairy.

I would agree that we can and should stop subsidies of farmers, but both parties do it for obvious political reasons.

 

[chance1]

This law says nothing about limiting the about of soda you drink, it doesn't even attempt to stop you from drinking 32-48 oz of soda. It doesn't do anything at all except futz with the package size. You are trying to assert that this is a simple safety measure - well, it does not attempt to do a single damn thing about how much soda you are actually drinking. You aren't going to be thinner if you drink two instead of one. Period. End of story.

The rest of that is just bunk, and has been exhaustively covered.

you're far too easily exhausted - perhaps some multi vitamins? and bunk to you is fact to others clearly

letting a kid buy a 16 oz. max WILL reduce what he drinks

no kid is gonna wanna be double fisted with their sodas - if the kid wants to go back for a 2nd god bless we tried

you have NO argument against other than saying that other ideas are better and that this is restrictive

in the absence of other ideas ....... why not this?

and it's not restrictive

NO ONE needs a 32 oz. soda

they don't

it's stupid

why would u not support something that will reduce sugar intake in kids which is a national problem?

 

[Centexfarmer]

Absolutely. I've pointed out several times here recently that actual conservatives would demand an immediate end to government subsidies for businesses. Republicans fight like rabid dogs to keep corporate welfare. What that tells me is that they don't believe in capitalism -- just in profit.

And that they don't honestly believe in "free markets."

Do you realize that if you're on "food stamps" that you can't buy fresh produce or fresh meat here in Texas?

It all has to be be pre-processed, or frozen foods.

If you walk into a convenience store, and there's a freshly prepared egg and cheese sandwich, or a piece of fresh fruit; an apple, a banana or an orange, food stamps won't cover that purchase.

But if it's a bottle of soda, a bag of chips, and a weeks old package of preprocessed cinnamon rolls you're good to go.

Now someone please tell me that there's nothing wrong with that picture.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your position is that people eat"corn, beef, and dairy products " because they are cheaper than fruit and vegetables?

Actually, yes. Many people on food stamps would like to get more fruit and vegetables, but because they're focused on filling stomachs they buy what's cheaper.

I don't think it would take too much change for them to start changing, but I say throw out the subsidies completely anyway.

 

[Kulindahr]

And that they don't honestly believe in "free markets."

Do you realize that if you're on "food stamps" that you can't buy fresh produce or fresh meat here in Texas?

It all has to be be pre-processed, or frozen foods.

If you walk into a convenience store, and there's a freshly prepared egg and cheese sandwich, or a piece of fresh fruit; an apple, a banana or an orange, food stamps won't cover that purchase.

But if it's a bottle of soda, a bag of chips, and a weeks old package of preprocessed cinnamon rolls you're good to go.

Now someone please tell me that there's nothing wrong with that picture.

Good grief.

In Oregon, any non-prepared food is covered by food stamps -- but you can't get anything hot from the deli....

 

[Spiff]

NO ONE needs a 32 oz. soda

True. But then NO ONE needs a fatty cheeseburger and large french fries, or pizza, or hot dogs, or virtually anything else on a menu anywhere. Or sugary candy too. The law ought to be extended so that people can consume only food items that are approved by whomever will be the appointed nanny-in-chief. And each item must be measured so that it does not exceed mandated portion sizes.

Oh yeah. NO ONE needs cigarettes either. So lets just finally bite the bullet and make those illegal now. And alcohol too, yeah. Since prohibition worked so well the first time.

Because we all know an occasional 32 oz soda is far worse than all of these things. . .

 

[chance1]

^ is columbus the sarcasm capital of the world ?

hehe

kids can't buy cigarettes right?

so that's diff - put that aside

KIDS
FAT
UNHEALTHY
UNPRODUCTIVE
UNHAPPY
ETC.

nobody wins when kids start off on the wrong foot - physically and emotionally

sugar is toxic

32 oz. of soda is unnecessary - let's start there

a cheeseburger is not inherently bad - a triple cheeseburger is - for kids

anything in moderation is ok right?

32 oz. is NOT moderation

 

[JayHawk]

It is insane to think not only can you not purchase healthy food with food stamps but that our regulated food industry encourages consumption of things that lead to epidemic.

I was chastised in post comment earlier for being hateful about parents not actually teaching their children how to live in a sustainable healthy way by referring to the children as spawn. Problem is that is all they are in life. Spawn. They are not taught useful life lessons. The military gets the few 12 to 15% that actually qualify physically for service and then goes about teaching proper personal habits in many cases. Yet that only touches a very small percentage.

Perhaps mandatory civil service should be the solution along with the answer being a regulated food industry that actually promotes what is suggested for proper nutrition by another branch of the government. I.E. Subsidies subsidizing grains, fruits and veggies instead of meat. That way the government can also instill proper values and work ethic where in many cases none exist.

 

[GhostMost]

^ is columbus the sarcasm capital of the world ?

hehe

kids can't buy cigarettes right?

so that's diff - put that aside

KIDS
FAT
UNHEALTHY
UNPRODUCTIVE
UNHAPPY
ETC.

nobody wins when kids start off on the wrong foot - physically and emotionally

sugar is toxic

32 oz. of soda is unnecessary - let's start there

a cheeseburger is not inherently bad - a triple cheeseburger is - for kids

anything in moderation is ok right?

32 oz. is NOT moderation

Moderation means moderated by an individual, the individual moderates the choices lying out in front of them.
I know I'll be an ass when I say this but "sugar is toxic" really?

 

[Centexfarmer]

Good grief.

In Oregon, any non-prepared food is covered by food stamps -- but you can't get anything hot from the deli....

And it's the same here in Texas!

Now you can go and grab a three day old sandwich out of the cooler, or a couple of frozen Hot Pockets, and that's covered.

WTF?

 

[Centexfarmer]

Here in Australia, fast food outlets have recently been required to display calorie content for every item on their menu. It's sobering to see that the chocolate muffin you're contemplating has more calories than a Big Mac!

Personally, I think that Government should encourage healthy food choices, rather than restrict choice. Why not make fresh fruits, vegetables and lean meats tax free, and double the sales tax on processed foods?

That's one of the many reason why I would want to immigrate there.

..wouldn't have to worry about the Mayor of the Largest City in my Country to weight in on soft drinks.

 

[Spiff]

^ is columbus the sarcasm capital of the world ?


sugar is toxic

32 oz. of soda is unnecessary - let's start there

Use of logic is forbidden in Columbus, too. So I say all this at my own risk of being found by big brother.

So now we must also ban candy. Especially beggars night for Halloween, a sack full of candy is definitely not in moderation. Sorry kiddies. It's for your own good. It's all toxic. And good news, parents, you're all off the hook for doing your job. Our laws will make others do it for you.

 

[Kulindahr]

Use of logic is forbidden in Columbus, too. So I say all this at my own risk of being found by big brother.

So now we must also ban candy. Especially beggars night for Halloween, a sack full of candy is definitely not in moderation. Sorry kiddies. It's for your own good. It's all toxic. And good news, parents, you're all off the hook for doing your job. Our laws will make others do it for you.

Halloween . . .

The last two years, the police have absolutely insisted that no one may give out apples or other fruit. Everything to go in a kid's loot bag has to be in a sealed wrapper so parents can tell it hasn't been tampered with. Of course with Halloween sales on candy, candy is FAR cheaper than granola bars, or fruit bars or sticks. So what have the police done? Simply demanded that people give kids the absolute worst thing possible.


My solution has been to turn out the lights, watch a movie, and pretend no one is home.

 

[Stardreamer]

Most kids meals do not come with a 32 oz. drink, they usually come with a cup smaller than the adult small.

I rather thought it was the parent's responsibility to regulate their children's diet. I'm all for encouraging businesses to provide healthier choices for their kids menu but denying adults their choices doesn't contribute to that.

I fully sympathize with improving the safety and health of our children, but 'think about the children' is used to infringe on people's freedom all the time. The social conservatives who would see sites like this banned and shut down use that argument all the time, we have to protect the children from the gay smut.

 

[chance1]

Moderation means moderated by an individual, the individual moderates the choices lying out in front of them.
I know I'll be an ass when I say this but "sugar is toxic" really?

for kids it is


http://www.livestrong.com/article/461037-the-dangers-of-sugar-consumption-in-children/

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Bloomberg is a Republican, you goofball.

Not to quibble Johann, but Bloomberg hasn't officially been a Republican since 2007. He was a democrat before 2001 and a Republican until 2007. He left the party and ran as an independent in 2009.