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On Topic Discussion The suicide cycle on JUB

kallipolis

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In my experience there has always been a compassionate, and constructive response from JUB members to cries for help from people suffering with a variety of life's challenging issues calculated to overwhelm them speaking well of the more enlightened side of the members posting here....long may this helpful ethos continue to assist people in need.
 
I'm not sure about there being a "cycle", but I've found that when I discuss my issues on here I get minimal flak, and most people are extremely helpful.
 
I have noticed such threads from time to time. When I do I generally default to privately reporting the thread to a Mod, either Seasoned or KaraBulut.
 
I'd like to think that most people now have the sense to look at the resources listed for crisis intervention.

We also have lost a couple of the 'Look at me' drama queen trolls who used to dangle suicide threats under in front of other Jubbers in order to fuck with other people's heads.

I also think that Tyler Clementi's very real suicide after he posted on JUB had something to do with making people understand that the threat of self-harm is no joke.

I'd also like to believe that for many young American kids now...they actually do believe that things in some of their Talibangelical states might get better.

In any event, I am pleased that it is quiet season.
 
Yes, that is what we usually do with them, in addition to reaching out, but when is the last time you remember seeing such a posting?

Sorry, I do not catalog things in that way. (Seems kind of maudlin.)

Having myself been on a suicide watch I defer to those more professional in this area and move myself forward.
 
Oh, I thought it was for underaged members mostly.

The guys who were always borderline here seemed to be in the 20-30 age bracket.

It is. And most of the people "on the ledge" at EC do tend to be in their teens. There was a period where it felt like we had someone on the ledge at least once a week. And frankly, I hated it. Yes, I did my best to talk them down, and I think in every case, we did. But it's stressful as fuck. I'm trying to relate to them, trying to get them to reconsider...all while dealing behind the scenes with other staff members to coordinate our efforts, and all while getting PMs from other well-meaning members imploring me to "do something". My night of offering friendly gargoyle advice while working on other things suddenly becomes a several-hour ordeal of phone calls and second-, third-, eightieth-guessed posts. Not to mention that I can guarantee that our "reward" for this will far likelier be a "fuck you" than a "thank you".

Do I think JUB has fewer of them because we're all better adjusted here? No. Part of it presumably is due to the greater percentage of teens there. But I think part of it has to do with less traffic here...and frankly, a diminished sense of community. JUB at one point skewed heavier towards people who didn't just bare all but shared all. There seemed to be more sense of camaraderie and (cyber)friendships. Not that that doesn't happen now (or that it always happened then), but it does seem more...casual here than it did a few years back. Were I a relative newbie, I'd sense that admitting to wanting to give in to my suicidal feelings on EC would result in a fair chunk of support. And I'd feel doing so here would more likely result in popcorn gifs.

Lex
 
I could be wrong, and this may sound rather cold but it's my opinion that such threats on line are predominately just dramatic cries for attention and not actual premonitions of things to come.

I think those that are serious about doing it just do it, and those that talk about it just want someone to ask them not to.

Bad attention is better than no attention at all, for those that can't seem to interact socially on anything near a 'normal' level.
 
It is. And most of the people "on the ledge" at EC do tend to be in their teens. There was a period where it felt like we had someone on the ledge at least once a week. And frankly, I hated it. Yes, I did my best to talk them down, and I think in every case, we did. But it's stressful as fuck. I'm trying to relate to them, trying to get them to reconsider...all while dealing behind the scenes with other staff members to coordinate our efforts, and all while getting PMs from other well-meaning members imploring me to "do something". My night of offering friendly gargoyle advice while working on other things suddenly becomes a several-hour ordeal of phone calls and second-, third-, eightieth-guessed posts. Not to mention that I can guarantee that our "reward" for this will far likelier be a "fuck you" than a "thank you".

Do I think JUB has fewer of them because we're all better adjusted here? No. Part of it presumably is due to the greater percentage of teens there. But I think part of it has to do with less traffic here...and frankly, a diminished sense of community. JUB at one point skewed heavier towards people who didn't just bare all but shared all. There seemed to be more sense of camaraderie and (cyber)friendships. Not that that doesn't happen now (or that it always happened then), but it does seem more...casual here than it did a few years back. Were I a relative newbie, I'd sense that admitting to wanting to give in to my suicidal feelings on EC would result in a fair chunk of support. And I'd feel doing so here would more likely result in popcorn gifs.

Lex


You do realize your post is an invitation, right?
 
I don't know how many people read this forum.
Maybe match less than we thought.

You have to ask the real world (the police and ambulance workers) for suicide statistics where they attend every suicide dead. One ambulance worker told me he saw a lot of unreported suicide dead.
 
You do realize your post is an invitation, right?

An invitation for what?

borg said:
I could be wrong, and this may sound rather cold but it's my opinion that such threats on line are predominately just dramatic cries for attention and not actual premonitions of things to come.

This has been my experience with suicidal guys - with rare exception. I don't view it as a cry for attention more than I view it as a first cry for help - the anonymity helps them "keep it private".
 
I could be wrong, and this may sound rather cold but it's my opinion that such threats on line are predominately just dramatic cries for attention and not actual premonitions of things to come.

I think those that are serious about doing it just do it, and those that talk about it just want someone to ask them not to.

Bad attention is better than no attention at all, for those that can't seem to interact socially on anything near a 'normal' level.

If I remember correctly, Tyler C. gave no hints of being suicidal while he was on JUB.

The news of his death came as quite a surprise.
 
An invitation for what?

Either people to say they're about to commit suicide in order to get help (or attention)...or popcorn gifs. Or both.

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One down.

Lex
 
I'd use this post to cry for help, but I'm afraid I don't really need that much attention... so...

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I'll just join you, in my best makeup.
 
Just the other day I was thinking how we have not had a cry for help for some time. Why, I can't say. I highly doubt fewer people are thinking about doing it. If I recall correctly, many of these cries have come from people dealing with more than just being gay. They felt they had no hope, in general. They had no friends, their families did not support them, they struggled to make a living and saw nothing but despair in their futures. Not that the reason for wanting to end it all matters, except that it's not just because they cannot accept their sexuality.
This might sound selfish or uncaring, but in all honesty, when I read a thread from someone who wants to commit suicide, it feels unfair to unload it on us here. I say that because if you have ever dealt with anyone in real life who wanted to kill themselves, you know how helpless you feel. But at least you can hold them and attempt to comfort them but mostly you know you can always call someone to intervene professionally. AND you know where they live. On JUB, other than a few kind words (which might offer a measure of help), we are helpless to help. We have to assume that they are being genuine, but we don't know who they are or where they live. And then they disappear, often never to post again. Now, not only do we feel impotent to help, we feel we have failed completely and left wondering what happened to them.
Having said that, I recognize that many people feel they have nowhere else to go other than to strangers on the internet. I'm glad we can at least be there for them.
 
Sorry, I do not catalog things in that way. (Seems kind of maudlin.)

Having myself been on a suicide watch I defer to those more professional in this area and move myself forward.

That is really the only way to deal with an online 'suicide threat'. Unfortunately, too many onliners love the drama and don't really care who they might fuck up along the way.
 
If I remember correctly, Tyler C. gave no hints of being suicidal while he was on JUB.

The news of his death came as quite a surprise.

That's my point...

To me, coming to JUB (or anywhere anonymously on line) to say you're suicidal is about the same as yelling it out in the middle of a Wal-Mart. Those that are serious about it don't talk about it before hand.

Often times those who do talk about it on JUB are the newb's who like to poke us with a stick to see what we're made of and what kind of reaction they can get out of us.
 
@ Kahaih

^ Which is why we can now directly refer them to the counselling support at the head of the thread. This hopefully saves individuals from the 'having to save the world' approach that existed when we didn't have sources to point people in the direction of. Of course, that has actually spoiled the fun for the sociopath trolls who loved to play puppet master and see a whole board of posters scrambling to find help for the person threatening suicide.

Over a decade, the on-line community has matured a lot. and grown a lot more cynical. It was bound to happen.

I wonder if in the Twitterverse, the incidence of threatened suicides has increased as people's attention span has decreased to 145 characters or less in all their conversations and ruminations.
 
That's my point...

To me, coming to JUB (or anywhere anonymously on line) to say you're suicidal is about the same as yelling it out in the middle of a Wal-Mart. Those that are serious about it don't talk about it before hand.

Often times those who do talk about it on JUB are the newb's who like to poke us with a stick to see what we're made of and what kind of reaction they can get out of us.


I know that's your point.

Should I have said 'yes, you're right' before I pointed to a good an example of your point? :)

Sorry.
 
OMG guys, after I googled "Tyler Clementi", I got sick in the stomache because of the leniency of the punishment on that Dharun Ravi guy and Molly Wei. Urgh, I really hope he got guilt-stricken for the rest of his life, coz no one deserves to be treated like a second-class citizen!
 
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