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The Surly Bonds

DonQuixote said:
And, if someone in RI asks you what your favourite "Cabinet" is - the typical responses would be Vanilla, Coffee, Chocolate, or Strawberry. (Hint, if you ask for a Milk Shake, you might get just that - shook milk - sans ice cream.
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If someone asked my mom what her favorite 'cabinet' was, she'd probably say 'sauvignon' and assume they were pronouncing 'cabernet' with an accent! :-)

The only thing I know about RI dialect is that a 'wiener' is NOT a hotdog, though there's a superficial resemblance. Do they say "malted" for what we'd call a "milkshake," even though it doesn't have malt sugar in it? I know that if you have an eggcream in NYC, don't expect it to contain either egg or cream.

Certain parts of MA say 'tonic' when they mean what I'd call "soda" and grew up calling "pop." (IIRC some parts of the South say "coke" for all manner of sodas, even Orange Crush.)
 
Cabinet = Ice Cream Milk Shake.
I'm not sure about malted - though we did use it when young to refer to a malted Milk shake.

And, yeah, as a kid, we actually called it soda pop - well, after we started with "fizzies" - those lovely Alka Seltzer like tablets, flavored - just add water.

Western NY is Pop - Wegman's store brand soda pop is WPop - well, it was - they're in the process of changing the labels - maybe too many stores in the Eastern regions now.
Boston, VA, MD, Princeton. Upscale communities.

When we were in Albany for a student competition, the waiter was from downstate. When the kids ordered "pop", he looked at them like they were some alien species of hicks.

As for Egg Creams, I think Jayden? has a video on here on how to make an egg cream. I suspect, way back when, it used to have both.

Cream Soda or Birch Beer, anyone?
 
DonQuixote said:
Cabinet = Ice Cream Milk Shake.
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Ah, I get it now. How'd it get that name, I wonder?

DonQuixote said:
And, yeah, as a kid, we actually called it soda pop - well, after we started with "fizzies" - those lovely Alka Seltzer like tablets, flavored - just add water.
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I remember those! Back when mom could give a boy a perfectly peer-acceptable haircut with clippers and no attachment. Ah, the summers of my childhood!

DonQuixote said:
Western NY is Pop - Wegman's store brand soda pop is WPop - well, it was - they're in the process of changing the labels - maybe too many stores in the Eastern regions now.
Boston, VA, MD, Princeton. Upscale communities.

When we were in Albany for a student competition, the waiter was from downstate. When the kids ordered "pop", he looked at them like they were some alien species of hicks.
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Yeah, Western NY is a lot like Michigan. Just a lake and a strip of Canada between them (London, Ontario is en route from Buffalo to Detroit).

DonQuixote said:
As for Egg Creams, I think Jayden? has a video on here on how to make an egg cream. I suspect, way back when, it used to have both.
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I don't think it ever did, actually. I think the name was a scam from the word go! (But then I hate egg creams. A rich-sounding name for a watery drink.)

DonQuixote said:
Cream Soda or Birch Beer, anyone?
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I grew up with Cream Soda! It took me YEARS to figure out it was just vanilla. We used to fight over the Cream Soda in the Hi-Klas multi-flavor six-pack (there were six of us, so it was one bottle each). Remember Hi-Klas?!?! It just took me 20 minutes to remember that brand name. It's defunct now, of course.

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Yeah, Western NY is a lot like Michigan. Just a lake and a strip of Canada between them (London, Ontario is en route from Buffalo to Detroit).
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My then girl friend (now wife of many years) and I took the Canadian route to my family in Indiana ONCE. We headed out after work and figured we'd stop in London on the way there - headed out toward the airport, figuring on motels.

We got there late - 11ish, maybe - they rolled the streets up at 8, I think. We got a room at a 50's vintage cabin room style place. Our trip through Detroit was particularly exciting - a guy had wired a shotgun to his estranged wife's neck somewhere ahead of us - all of a sudden traffic on the X-way came to a stop as cop cars came roaring down the median w/ officers in flak jackets and helicopters overhead - they redirected all of the traffic onto surface roads - I'd never been to Mo-Town before, but I knew we weren't in Richmond Hills.

Didn't have a clue but we found our way out of the hood and headed out of town and South - got a flat in the middle of nowhere.

I've never heard of Hi-Klas, must have been a regional brand.

Seth, see what you've started? Our nostalgic trips down memory lane.

Crio - did you ever make a trip to Frankenmuth, MI? My mom loves to hit the Christmas shops when she's out that way.
 
But, um, back on topic...

Now that I'm over the dialect confusion, I'm glad to learn more about Locke's past. I more than half suspect her mother was dead when she checked on her in this installment, but had such a history of passing out drunk that Locke never suspected.

And Cameron...I'm leaning toward the idea that he's an android of some kind. A SEXY android!
 
DonQuixote said:
Crio - did you ever make a trip to Frankenmuth, MI? My mom loves to hit the Christmas shops when she's out that way.
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Never did go there. I remember seeing the ads on TV though, along with the "Slim Chipley" ads for Paramount Potato Chips.

And Motown really IS Detroit. Yeah, it was a record company and a sound, but it was a DETROIT record company (hence its name) and a DETROIT sound.
 
For those who may not know the morphology -
MoTown is from Motor Town - as in the Big three - was a helluva lot more than three once upon a time.
 
Críostóir said:
But, um, back on topic...

Now that I'm over the dialect confusion, I'm glad to learn more about Locke's past. I more than half suspect her mother was dead when she checked on her in this installment, but had such a history of passing out drunk that Locke never suspected.

And Cameron...I'm leaning toward the idea that he's an android of some kind. A SEXY android!
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No, she wasn't dead. Locke told her dad to tell her mom hi for her a couple of chapters ago.

And yes, he is sexy! Trust me, I've seen the pictures! :p
 
DonQuixote said:
I've never heard of Hi-Klas, must have been a regional brand.
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Wow. Now that I look closer, it was actually on Cedar Street in LANSING. Not so much regional as local! (And it's not so much defunct as moved on to bigger things.)

They eventually became the Canada Dry Bottling Company of Lansing and started bottling that more famous brand. Before that it was the company that bottled Dr. Pepper and was responsible for bringing it to the eastern half of the US. It's now the major regional distributor for Faygo.
 
Críostóir said:
Well, show them to us! :)

Actually I'd also like to see his schematics, and the design for his brain.
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But if I did that, I'd have to show the pictures for everyone, and I think its better that you all make up your own minds. I always hate it when the actor in the movie doesn't look like what I had in mind from the book.
 
citizen-seth said:
But if I did that, I'd have to show the pictures for everyone, and I think its better that you all make up your own minds. I always hate it when the actor in the movie doesn't look like what I had in mind from the book.
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Understandable.

What about that design, though? I want to compare it with mine (though to tell the truth there have been some undocumented mods to mine since the manual was written).
 
Uh ... I think I must have fallen asleep, and have been dreaming, during this portion of the ride. ... Exactly WHERE are we now??? :confused: :lol:

Lovin' it All, Guys! (group)

(And, I'm thinkin' Cam may, indeed, be an "older spirit" than his lithe, sexy, young, body, with that auburn hair, belies. :cool: )

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz :luv:
 
It seems that 235 and 342 are very important numbers based on how often they are repeated in different parts of the story.

For instance, for 235 there is:

Chapter 1
The boy, cradling his right arm, got up on his knees. His watch read 2:35AM.

Chapter 12
When James had last glanced at the clock it had read a quarter past midnight, but now it flashed 2:35am.

Chapter 15
Waylon reached into his bag and pulled out his phone. The time was only 2:35pm


And for 342 there is:

Chapter 4
Upon reaching the top of the stairs Way instinctively turned to the right, walking down a long, carpeted hallway of doors marked with names and numbers: 338, Eric and Andrew; 340, Thomas and Logan; 342, Waylon and James.

Chapter 15
She made quick work of the stairs leading up to the main doors, and even quicker work of the walk to her locker, number 342.


No idea if this means anything but 235 seems to always be a time, and 342 is a location. Chapter 15 is the first time the two numbers are mentioned in the same chapter that I could see.

Aside from these numbers, the number series of 421702351 is repeated several times, as Way and James' ID and SS numbers, and it is at the end of the document found in the old Soviet records that special Agent Sloan examines, however, the number sequence is in reverse.

The only thing that seems to be repeated and given as much emphasis is Cameron's use of the word “perchance.” 421702351 and “perchance” have a few things in common, there are nine numbers and nine letters. One vowel and one consonant repeated in “perchance.” There are two numbers repeated in 421702351 – so I was thinking of numerical/alphabetic cipher lined up below:

perchance
421702351

The numbers 1 and 2, and letters “c” and ”e” are repeated. Here is the number rearranged with e=1, c=2, however, I tried seeing if 342 fit in there and this is what I got:

perchance
015273421


Here is another number rearrangement with e=2, c=1.

perchance
023145612

Didn't really see anything with this rearrangement, and cannot fit 235 or 342 into the sequence. So I went back to e=1, c=2, however, I tried seeing if 235 fit in there:

perchance
014235721

Nothing really stands out to me too much, so I went back looking through the chapters and pulled up this:

Chapter 3
As the car slowly pulled away from the curb the sun caught the light of its license plate; the numbers 43170 glinted red in the sun.

These numbers look awfully similar here:
43170
421702351

I am trying to figure out if 4170 is a key to this but I'm not getting anything at the moment... so I think I am going to hold off and wait for more numbers to appear in the story. Nice work and hope you keep going...|
 
42170 is the ZIP Code for Woodburn, KY. 42170-2351 could be a ZIP+4 Code for an exact address, but I couldn't find a way to look up ZIP+4.
 
Three Crows,
WOW. You REALLY enjoy hunting for the hidden meanings, especially in the numbers, don't you. You're going to be Seth's best bud by the end of this story.

He's been working overtime trying to get his potential new digs figured out for the "Fall" semester at Grad School.

Plus, some family stuff that needed attending to, as sometimes happens in life.

I know he's been missing working on the story and interacting with everyone.
We've swapped a couple of e-mails/PM's here and there just to make sure the other is still alive.

:wave:
 
Críostóir said:
42170 is the ZIP Code for Woodburn, KY. 42170-2351 could be a ZIP+4 Code for an exact address, but I couldn't find a way to look up ZIP+4.
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Críostóir - That is brilliant! I never would have thought of the zip code thing. I also cannot find a way to locate specific places via ZIP+4. Maybe someone else can?

We know James is from Overland Park, Kansas - which, I think, sort of excludes him, since the number pool between the phone number and SS/ID excludes a 6. But it could work for Locke, since she is from Portland, Maine. Do we know where exactly Way is from? I know he's from Arkansas but I don't remember an actual town being mentioned.


DonQuixote said:
Three Crows,
WOW. You REALLY enjoy hunting for the hidden meanings, especially in the numbers, don't you. You're going to be Seth's best bud by the end of this story.

He's been working overtime trying to get his potential new digs in DC figured out for the "Fall" semester at Grad School.

Plus, some family stuff that needed attending to, as sometimes happens in life.

I know he's been missing working on the story and interacting with everyone.
We've swapped a couple of e-mails/PM's here and there just to make sure the other is still alive.

:wave:
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Don, yes, I really do like looking for the hidden messages (even if they are not there :-)) - I don't really care if I am right or wrong, just trying to figure it out is part of the fun for me. And thank you for the update, I hope Seth's preparation stuff for graduate school is going smoothly and for the best.

I have convinced myself that there are no coincidences in the world and characters that Seth has so vividly created - so yea, I have a bit of an OCD:help:.

For instance, look at Chapters 4, 8, and 15 - all of those numbers are included in the Lost numbers.

Chapter 4 is really all about James, through Way's point of view. James who becomes his roommate, best friend, confidant, protector/guardian angel and possible love interest of Locke and maybe even Way.

Chapter 8 introduces James' younger brother Timothy - who, I am guessing, will show up again and probably in a much bigger way than a simple phone call. There are a lot of loaded exchanges too between Locke and Way, Guy and Cam, and Guy and Locke.

Chapter 15 is the first chapter where things are occurring in different times, Locke's past and Way's present. Also the first time (I think) that 235 and 342 appear together in the same chapter.

Looking forward to chapters 16, 23 and 42!;)
 
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