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The Tremor before the Storm?

cityboy-stl said:
So...it is all about what's in it for you at the moment. History and experience be damned.

He has been good for the economy in the short term. I will admit that and I've taken advantage of it. But history and experience says it won't last. This time is analogous to the roaring 20s. Did you read what I said in post #7? https://www.justusboys.com/forum/th...-the-Storm?p=11158417&viewfull=1#post11158417

Maybe like you said, doing the same thing will have a different result this time than it did the last 5 times. I sincerely hope that you right. But I'm not planning for it. If by October 2020 we are still experiencing growth, exports increasing, unemployment is low, and the economy is stable, I will come back and eat humble pie and say I was wrong and admit the Trump economy worked.

If the economy crashes in the meantime will you come back and admit tax cuts for the rich don't work as a continuing economic strategy but only work as an artificially induced economic short-term high before causing a devastating withdrawal and recession/depression? Or will you find some way to blame Barack Obama and the Democrats, history and experience and facts be damned?
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Pretty much says it all.

Anyone who doesn't remember being hurt badly by the 2008 recession or the dot com bubble though, isn't likely to be able to understand the underlying concern.

Soon the US will be paying more in interest than they do on the military.

That can'r end well.
 
cityboy-stl said:
So...it is all about what's in it for you at the moment. History and experience be damned.

He has been good for the economy in the short term. I will admit that and I've taken advantage of it.
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That says it all right there. A smart investor knows how to play the game. You take the wins with the losses. That is it's very nature.
 
mikey3000 said:
That says it all right there. A smart investor knows how to play the game. You take the wins with the losses. That is it's very nature.
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And who cares if those short term wins precipitate a colossal disaster that results in a years long massive depression and the collapse of the economy. You got yours now. You won't even admit that there might consequences nor acknowledge history. Got it.

What is different about this economic environment of tax cuts for the rich, tariffs and trade wars that will produce a different result than the last 5 times?
 
Whoa. Didnt you just admit that Trump has been good for the short term economy? And that YOU took advantage of the situation? Ok. So if yiu fear that there is a crisis coming, switch gears and change your investment plan. Liquidate some assets and get ready to buy. You can't make $$ investing and cry about a possible poor economy. You can't suck and blow at the same time.
 
I have a good advisor and we have. But that isn't the point that you keep ignoring. The potential damage done to the lives of people and the country and economy as a whole seems to be lost on you.

Wouldn't you prefer to have a steady, dependable, stable economy that grows reliably even though you don't make quick and large flash gains rather than an economy that shoots up like a pretty rocket for a little while, and then blows up in your face and crashes to the ground causing havoc and destruction to everyone and everything around? I guess you wouldn't.
 
I would just point out for our market cheerleaders that all the gains for 2018 have been erased.

Again, thank goodness this is happening before a Democratic Congress has to come in and clean up the mess. It can't be laid at anyone's door other than Trump's.
 
^ Like that's gonna change anything lol. It's like with their equivalent wackos over here in Spain: you'll have the leftists, the gays, the immigrants and whatever else get the blame of it all anyway...


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Here we go....Fasten your seatbelts folks.

Alan Greenspan: Investors should prepare for the worst.

"It would be very surprising to see it sort of stabilize here, and then take off," Greenspan said in an interview with CNN anchor Julia Chatterley.
He added that markets could still go up further — but warned investors that the correction would be painful: "At the end of that run, run for cover."
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/business/alan-greenspan-stock-market-party-over/index.html
 
rareboy said:
Anyone who doesn't remember being hurt badly by the 2008 recession or the dot com bubble though, isn't likely...
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I'll just say that the horrific recession had NO AFFECT on me whatsoever. If anything, 2008 and 2009 were two of my best years up to that time, and I'd been doing this for 30+ years already.

Only now is my business beginning to trail off, as the buyers are literally aging to death. I probably have more customers in their chronological 60s and 70s than any other decades. THAT is not likely to stay healthy for long, and I hope to be done by 2022...and, for a couple years, I'd be selling nothing but screaming punk records. I'm well-equipped to do all that.

My annuity is heavily invested in stocks, and it's taking a hit. If the stock markets come back up by the June anniversary, I'll definitely change my investments and try to get out of the stocks part. I feel the Republicans are working the economy so that the USA with have a horrific recession by the end of 2019. I want to get out before that.

If the tumble has already started by June, I'll probably hold on unless I see no hopes of the market coming back.
 
Trump is again demonstrating that he has no clue that markets are underpinned by fundamentals and that his policies are now destroying the American economy.
 
Markets move up and down. They hit records and they crash. Serious players in the market don't flip out over a drop like this, we call it a buying opportunity to grab shares at a lower cost. I don't hold stocks for long. I love big drops which is when I buy and I sell on the way back up. I also like to buy IPO's as well, something hot gets me hard and something fast moving that has doubled in value in a week gets me ready for selling. Hard to lose money if you don't hold stocks for long. I take risks but only to a certain point. I made my money on tech stock IPO's. Netscape, Yahoo, Google, and so on is what made me.


The markets are nothing more than legalized gambling, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. It is nothing more than a game except that it is played with real money. People are greedy and put every thing they have in the market long term and they suffer the most. Instead of getting out when hey have made a decent profit they let it ride, we have a crash and now it's worth less than when they bought it. I am not greedy, I get in and get out and leave the suckers holding paper when a stock drops. When it drops if it has always recovered after a drop I will pick up a few hundred thousand shares at the bottom and sell as it goes back up. I am happy to make 2-3 dollars a share then get out putting the money back in the trading account.

People holding stock for 30 years as a retirement account need to stop freaking out every time the market moves and make plans to get out of the market a few years before they retire. If you are retired get out of the market completely and live accordingly.
 
rareboy said:
Trump is again demonstrating that he has no clue that markets are underpinned by fundamentals and that his policies are now destroying the American economy.
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You are the one demonstrating you have no clue how the market works. I have actually made money during all the bad crashes and down turns in the market because I was out of the market waiting for an adjustment or a crash and when it came I put my money back in and profited. When you ride the ride to the top of the hill there is always the other side of that hill that goes down. You just want to hate on Trump, if Hillery was in you would not be complaining.
 
azanallover said:
You are the one demonstrating you have no clue how the market works. I have actually made money during all the bad crashes and down turns in the market because I was out of the market waiting for an adjustment or a crash and when it came I put my money back in and profited. When you ride the ride to the top of the hill there is always the other side of that hill that goes down. You just want to hate on Trump, if Hillery was in you would not be complaining.
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Your two comments are built around one single idea, that you are repeating, almost boasting, like a child who discovered something new that dazzles him and believes nobody else knows about: you are the one demonstrating you have no clue how the market works, but think you do only because you know (and you merely profited from it) what zillions of people around the world know, namely, buy low and sell high.

If you did know how the market works, you would know how, why and when the lows and highs happen: you just take for granted the same ebb and flow will keep going on indefinitely, since your whole life is the measure of what was before, and what is to come after you are gone but, tell me, if you are not aware of the whole process, only of the punctual highs and lows, how can be so sure that the market will just be exactly the same during the next century, when it is not the same it was one hundred years ago?

If you are not aware of the "fundamental underpinnings" that rareboy referred to, if you are not aware of the political, industrial and financial building-up that has given you the opportunity of earning those gains like from a garden that was just ready for you to go and pick up the right flowers and the right time, how can you be so childish as to dismiss a comment that is merely pointing at the mess that has been pointed out by all the serious business players (the real ones, not the crooks like Trump who scam smaller investors, and licks the boots of bigger ones).

You just want to hate on Hillary, or anyone who doesn't look or sound red enough to you: were she in Trump's place, you would be pointing her as the damn liberal who enjoys screwing America's economy.
 
mikey3000 said:
Nor is Obama.
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And this is relevant how? Obama is NOT the president anymore. Hillary, as you are constantly reminding us, "lost".

Now, please explain why Trump takes credit for every single 'upswing' but refuses to take any responsibility whatsoever when he fucks things up as he's doing now. Please show us how his tariffs and huge tax cuts for the 1% have nothing to do with what's happening in the United States today.
 
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