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The Tremor before the Storm?

belamo said:
Your two comments are built around one single idea, that you are repeating, almost boasting, like a child who discovered something new that dazzles him and believes nobody else knows about: you are the one demonstrating you have no clue how the market works, but think you do only because you know (and you merely profited from it) what zillions of people around the world know, namely, buy low and sell high.

If you did know how the market works, you would know how, why and when the lows and highs happen: you just take for granted the same ebb and flow will keep going on indefinitely, since your whole life is the measure of what was before, and what is to come after you are gone but, tell me, if you are not aware of the whole process, only of the punctual highs and lows, how can be so sure that the market will just be exactly the same during the next century, when it is not the same it was one hundred years ago?

If you are not aware of the "fundamental underpinnings" that rareboy referred to, if you are not aware of the political, industrial and financial building-up that has given you the opportunity of earning those gains like from a garden that was just ready for you to go and pick up the right flowers and the right time, how can you be so childish as to dismiss a comment that is merely pointing at the mess that has been pointed out by all the serious business players (the real ones, not the crooks like Trump who scam smaller investors, and licks the boots of bigger ones).

You just want to hate on Hillary, or anyone who doesn't look or sound red enough to you: were she in Trump's place, you would be pointing her as the damn liberal who enjoys screwing America's economy.
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He is a Trump hater who takes every opportunity to bash Trump. Market has been setting records and crashing since it's inception. I didn't blame Obama for the down turns when he was president I just took advantage of them.
 
opinterph said:
I doubt we’d be in a trade war.

:p​
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I just don't understand why people think it is a bad thing to get other countries to abandon their tariffs to level the playing field. I would like to see no country have a import tariff and let the markets work it out. It has been unfair towards America for many years and all he is doing is trying to get us ever with the rest of the world. Our companies lose sale overseas when governments tack more onto the price of our goods tp favor their own but America is bad if we do the same.
 
azanallover said:
He is a Trump hater who takes every opportunity to bash Trump. Market has been setting records and crashing since it's inception. I didn't blame Obama for the down turns when he was president I just took advantage of them.
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Right, like car accidents do happen since their invention, so why "hate" on speeders and drunk drivers.

So there is another starry-eyed Trumpist (one of the few still left), who takes the bashing of wrong politics for the bashing of particular people: how often have you read me bashing Trump? Leave that to the righteous leftist media.

Trump is earning the credit of being the trigger of the next downturn in the American economy so that, instead of just being there like a Coolidge or a Bush, his busy body is fighting to earn what other presidents hope that will never fall upon them.

Stay happy in your magical world, thinking that things in the economy and politics just happen.
 
azanallover said:
I just don't understand why people think it is a bad thing to get other countries to abandon their tariffs to level the playing field. I would like to see no country have a import tariff and let the markets work it out. It has been unfair towards America for many years and all he is doing is trying to get us ever with the rest of the world. Our companies lose sale overseas when governments tack more onto the price of our goods tp favor their own but America is bad if we do the same.
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Would you understand letting the banks and the companies abandon their tariffs and let the "market" of the general body of buyers and dealers decide upon them.

Get the idea of what you are actually proposing there?
 
azanallover said:
I just don't understand why people think it is a bad thing to get other countries to abandon their tariffs to level the playing field. I would like to see no country have a import tariff and let the markets work it out. It has been unfair towards America for many years and all he is doing is trying to get us ever with the rest of the world. Our companies lose sale overseas when governments tack more onto the price of our goods tp favor their own but America is bad if we do the same.
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Do you understand how tariffs work? Trump has shown us that he doesn't. Either that or he's lying his ass off to make his supporters think that these trade war tariffs are good for America. Do his supporters even know that the American companies are the ones paying the taxes to the government?
 
rareboy said:
(Paraphrased)

  • A recession in the United States economy is inevitable.
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cityboy-stl said:
(Paraphrased)

  • Tax cuts for the rich, tariffs, trade wars, and administration incompetency are factors leading us to a severe economic collapse.
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rareboy said:
(Paraphrased)

  • All prior 2018 gains in the US stock market are now erased.
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azanallover said:
(Paraphrased)

  • Investing in the stock market is nothing more than a game except that it is played with real money.
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azanallover said:
… let the markets work it out.
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I presume “working it out” includes taking into account the effects of the various factors associated with performance and risk. At the moment those factors include a trade war.

What we are currently observing is the market at work, eh?​
 
mikey3000 said:
Its the fucking stock market. It rebounded the next day. Lol.
"Waaaahh! Its all Trump's fault."
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Its all the morbidly rich GOP lap dogs fault, because the corrupt mother fuckers are doing the job they were paid off to do. The Democratic Party is a player too but they are not in control nor as sinister as the GOP, at least not as fast. tRump is the ugly tumor as grotesque as tRump is cutting the ugly tumor out is not reason for the cancer. Another tumor larger, greasier, with a stronger putrid stench will grow back if the cancer isn't treated.
The GOP working their cowardly meat puppet base with fear and hate mongering smash the propaganda into their fat shit filled heads non-stop and they are good at it. There is no doubt the cons low information base is to fucking stupid lacking critical thinking skills to see the self destruction they are doing to their own families and friends.
It never ends well for weak minded, brain washed authoritarian loving cultist. It won't end well this time either and sadly its going to effect more than the empathy lacking cunts in the tRumpanzee cult.
 
DantheManFL said:
Dow Jones Falls 3,700 Points For The Month (14.6%) :eek::bartshock:dead:

https://www.investors.com/market-trend/stock-market-today/dow-jones-falls-3500-points-for-the-month-this-blue-chip-stock-triggers-sell-signal/
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We have the billionaire business guy who won the POTUS. Great excitement. Tax cuts. Gut finance and environmental constraints. Laissez faire. Donald runs the country from his gut. He works best belittling all the ill-equipped advisors and a cabinet from an SNL skit. He likely is smart, but that is overwhelmed by his fragile ego, defensiveness and narcissism compounded by a lack of impulse control and a very short attention span. He deals in personalities and not ideas. He is mean spirited, lacks empathy and pretty much an asshole. He has no experience in politics or governement. He doesn't understand US foreign policy, economics and has no grasp of his legal boundaries as POTUS. Where is Dick Cheney when you need him? He was elected because he was not a politician and with a mandate to drain the swamp. The crippling affects of the former in part led to the geometric expansion of the latter. Rachel Madow ran out of room to list all the staff he has hired and fired or those who just quit. Populist turned nationalist. SO, to the markets. The frenzied run up of the market after the 2016 election built on 8 years of expansion following the last Recession. That there would be an adjustment is no surprise. We can't blame POTUS for the inevitable. We can, though cite him for the whole Russia mess (sorry, it's REAL), his unparalleled dissociation from the truth and lack of moral or ethical self awareness. Tariffs. Constant instability in the Administraiton....read, "chaos". Having no plan beyond the next FOX News broadcast. Vacillating to a degree that his own Congressional majority doesn't know what the fuck to do. Shutting down the government because he doesn't get funding for a WALL. Trump fabricates or creates crises, presents himself as the saviour, and then fucks it up. North Korea is in a stronger position than before he forestalled the war he was provoking. Illegal immigration. It was worst during the Clinton and Dubya administrations. It was actually better in the last administration. There is no immigration crisis, but what he has pandered to his base, knowing that's hot button for the far Right. Okay, we need immigraton reform. They were close to it, but he wouldn't support it without the WALL. NATO is doing their own thing. Russian and ISIS are thrilled. Mattis and Kelly were two stabilizing influences, and they both left within a couple weeks of each other. Markets, business, our allies and most of our own citizenry can't tolerate what is basically POTUS acting out and allowing the government to shut down because he can't get support for his WALL. Trump is not a leader, has no claim to moral authority and can't keep an apprentice, it seems. Two years out, he blames Hillary and Obama for...fill in the blank. They're gone. This is all on him. At this point, he may not be able to pathch up his missteps, but let's hope he can keep it together. I work for mid cap corporation. 20K employees market cap however far south of 70 Billion Monday's market left it. If a publicly traded corporation had a CEO who exhibited the behaviors and flat out
bad judgment of our POTUS, how long would that last? Over a weekend, maybe? Why? Because the stockholders and the Board wouldn't tolerate it. We're just about two years in, and has been all down hill to now.
 
Dow soars 1,086 points in a miraculous comeback

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/26/investing/stock-market-today/index.html

So what now, rare :lol: :cool:


One thing is that Trump is screwing the economy, and another that ANY little leader around the world, bigger or smaller, is even remotely able to crumble the global economy: politics influence economy, economy rules politics.
 
^ Oh, I forgot to add that the economy doesn't external help to screw itself, so you do not need a wacko in charge, or a military or trade war to fuck up the finances and the economy in general.
 
vulgar_newcomer said:
Its all the morbidly rich GOP lap dogs fault, because the corrupt mother fuckers are doing the job they were paid off to do. The Democratic Party is a player too but they are not in control nor as sinister as the GOP, at least not as fast. tRump is the ugly tumor as grotesque as tRump is cutting the ugly tumor out is not reason for the cancer. Another tumor larger, greasier, with a stronger putrid stench will grow back if the cancer isn't treated.
The GOP working their cowardly meat puppet base with fear and hate mongering smash the propaganda into their fat shit filled heads non-stop and they are good at it. There is no doubt the cons low information base is to fucking stupid lacking critical thinking skills to see the self destruction they are doing to their own families and friends.
It never ends well for weak minded, brain washed authoritarian loving cultist. It won't end well this time either and sadly its going to effect more than the empathy lacking cunts in the tRumpanzee cult.
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Without the morbidly rich guys most of the guys on this forum wouldn't have jobs. There are as many rich democrats too but I guess they are ok.
 
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