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There is a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark

In what way am i hypocritcal?

It sounds to me liek your the hypercit here.

You say you'll use any weapon you have to to out someone who stomps over your belifes.

But as soon as anyone else has any other beliefs you like to stomp over theres.
 
In what way am i hypocritcal?

It sounds to me liek your the hypercit here.

You say you'll use any weapon you have to to out someone who stomps over your belifes.

But as soon as anyone else has any other beliefs you like to stomp over theres.

well, you're hypicritical by being gay yet being being aginst the rights of gay people.

And you can have whatever belief you want, but as soon as you try to attack my rights, honey.. we're ON.

I'll allow Christians to believe whatever horse shit makes them feel more important in this universe, but as soon as they try to usurp me in any way...

I don't think so,

Homo don't play dat.:mad:
 
He could have made this a positive thing..... but he hasn't. I'm sure he will become the poster boy for those who cure faggotism. I also hope he rots.
 
well, you're hypicritical by being gay yet being being aginst the rights of gay people.

And you can have whatever belief you want, but as soon as you try to attack my rights, honey.. we're ON.

I'll allow Christians to believe whatever horse shit makes them feel more important in this universe, but as soon as they try to usurp me in any way...

I don't think so,

Homo don't play dat.:mad:


No i think gays should get the rights they should, like you might think gays should have the right to kill people but i wouldnt agree. I dont think id be hypercritcal if i didnt agree with killing. (its an example)

And please link me to some prroof that this man has done something thats effected you. Now im not saying the church, im saying something he personally did.
 
What a great letter by Ted. It takes a lot of balls to write something like that. I'm proud of him and I wish his family the best.

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Yes. Quite. He really is a brave and upstanding member of the Clergy.

What planet are you on, again?
 
No i think gays should get the rights they should, like you might think gays should have the right to kill people but i wouldnt agree. I dont think id be hypercritcal if i didnt agree with killing. (its an example)

Sorry - run that past us again - where did that bizarre example spring from - who is asking for gays to be licensed to kill or asking for rights to break any law?

And please link me to some prroof that this man has done something thats effected you. Now im not saying the church, im saying something he personally did.

Apart from spouting his rhetoric to the powerful and influential (as well as to the stupid and vocal)?
 
yeah i did say link, not your opinion.

and i was basically trying to say that im not hypercritical i may be gay but it doesnt mean im hypercritical because i dont belive in gay marriage. And im saying just becasue i dont belive in something doesnt make it hypercritical.
 
No i think gays should get the rights they should, like you might think gays should have the right to kill people but i wouldnt agree. I dont think id be hypercritcal if i didnt agree with killing. (its an example)

it's a stupid example.

But hey.. let's go with it.. IF Straight people had the right to kill people then yes, GAYS should get the right to kill people too.

if you didn't think so, I would be against you.

However, since we're talking about giving gays the same rights that STRAIGHT people have (and killing isn't one of those unless they're James Bond), it's also a BAD example.

good gravy, did I just actually argue that point?

I need my head examined.
 
Firstly, it's hypocritical - not hypercritical.

Secondly, it's affect - not effect.

Pedant taxi for one please!

Leaving that aside, this twat has been hypocritical because he has been protesting quite viciously against gay people whilst at the same time sucking off a rentboy. Surely even you can see the hypocrisy there???!!


Out of interest, where does your opposition to gay marriage come from?
 
Right its easier than just arguing but basically ill just go on saying i dont agree with you guys for the simple fact that this Ted guy deservers support and deserves to get his life on track without people judging him.

Im not here to insult people and if i have then im sorry like.

But ill just have to agree to disagree.
 
The day I forgive that man, is the day that man accepts that homosexuality is not evil. Maybe it'll happen one day, and he'll be happy with who he is. Until then I think the he will be miserable... probably for the rest of his life.

He's a doubly bad person for me... he, fully knowing how difficult it can be for gays, strives to make it worse (fully knowing it wasn't a life choice, but an inevitability, which makes it even worse), and he's also a hypocrite.
 
this Ted guy deservers support and deserves to get his life on track without people judging him.
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"back" on track?

At what point was his life on track as a gay man who married a woman and worked for one of the most politically powerful anti-gay ogranizations in the country?

At what point was his life on track while he was getting it up the chute and doing meth between public appearances where he denounced ANY rights for gays and lesbians including child custody, Health care, family benefits, pensions and the right to work?

(yes, aparently he was against laws that would make it illegal to fire a gay person for being gay.... still wanna defend him?)

sorry.. you're wrong on this one.

own it.
 
S3bbl3s, and everybody else, you have to understand the difference between beliefs and rights. I'll give you an example:

I believe that fat women should not wear hip-huggers. I am entitled to that belief. But if it is my belief that fat women should not have the right to wear hip-huggers, my belief is wrong because I am trying to take away someone's rights. Do you see the difference?

Christians of a certain ilk believe that I am sinful to indulge my homosexuality, and they have the right to believe that if they so choose; however, if they also believe that I should not have the right to conduct my affairs as I see fit (so long as I'm not hurting anybody else), then they are impingeing on my basic human rights and are, therefore, wrong. See how that works?

Here's the difference between right and wrong: right does good to people, wrong does harm to people. That's all there is to it. Anything that makes me happy and doesn't harm you or anyone else is good; anything I do that harms anyone, even people I don't know, is bad. Do you see the difference there?

(Oh, and by the way, not believing what you believe, doing things that you think are wrong even though you can't prove they are wrong, and offending your artificial morality is not harm; that's life).

So to go further, if my interpretation of my religious texts lead me to believe that I can harm someone else, then I am wrong no matter how much good I think I am doing to that person; and if I go even further and teach other people to do even more harm to those someone-elses, if I go so far as to incite hatred and violence against those who believe differently than I believe... then I am not just wrong, I am perpetrating evil. See the difference there?

Gay marriage harms no one, and nobody has ever given a lick of proof, or even a scintilla of the possibility of a theory pointing toward some future proof, that it will harm anyone (keeping in mind that offending your religious principles does not qualify as "harm"); on the other hand, the law against gay marriage harms many, and if you want proof of that, all you have to do is read a few stories about people who were cut out of inheriting their partners' property by a family that wouldn't have anything to do with him when he was alive, or were not allowed to be with their partners in the hospital as they lay dying. Do you see that difference?

Lying harms people; cheating on your partner harms people; doing methamphetamine and fucking hookers on the sly while married and preaching against perfectly innocent people you don't even know harms people (yourself in particular)... two men in a loving and committed relationship, or five hundred men fucking themselves silly in a bathhouse, harm no one. See the difference there?

By teaching people to hate homosexuals, particularly if they are themselves homosexuals (which no matter which way you chew it is hypocrisy on a grand scale), these "ministers" are teaching people to go against their own religion. And if you think God (even the hateful judgemental God these people believe in) is going to let that one slide just because your intentions are good, well just you wait and see on Judgement Day.

You know, I am failing to comprehend how anybody can submit themselves to a belief-system which harms them and makes them unhappy. When I came to the conclusion that my church would not accept my homosexuality, I left that church and never looked back; and I cannot see why someone would abase themselves to the point that they would believe in something that says your natural desires, desires which harm no one, are sinful! I mean, it's easy for straights to condemn homosexuality, they don't understand it and it simply doesn't apply to them; but try as I might, I cannot understand homosexuals condemning homosexuality. That's just sick.

I do feel sorry for Haggart, I am sorry that he hates himself so much; I am sorry for his family and hope they recover from the grand betrayal they've just experienced at his hands; and in a vague pitying way I feel sorry for his parishioners for the shock they must be feeling.

But what he did was wrong... not being gay, but lying and cheating and pretending to be something he wasn't, and then to cover up his real self by spreading his self-hatred over all of us. That was quite simply and inescapably wrong and he will have to pay for that.
 
Bascially i came on here saying that i felt sorry for him, and that i thought it was wrong that people judge him.

And im really not hyprcitical, as im not doing the things i dont agree with.

And ive never activly done anythign to try and stop gay marriage/adoption ive only ever had my opinion, wether you agree or not its your choice and i dont mind if people dont agree. But i dont like the judging that goes on when its really not right. Yes its anyones right to judge but people shouldnt get so bothered for not agreeing with them.
 
I don't think you're a hypocrite (though there is a basic flaw of reasoning in your profile statement... you can't be an honest person and closeted at the same time), but I think you are identifying with the wrong part of this man's issue. I think you're thinking about how you'd feel if some tramp you slept with told everybody in the world all about you. And since you're closeted, that's a scary idea, and so you sympathize with this man's being outed.

But it's not his being in the closet that is the problem, it is his being actively anti-gay (not just anti-gay-marriage, but anti-all-gay) at the same time. That is like a Jew belonging to the Hitler Youth, like a black man belonging to the KKK. Sure you can be Jewish and dislike other Jews, or you can be black and think that blacks should know their place and stay there; it's not healthy, in fact it's a form of mental suicide. But if you pretend you're not Jewish or black, and then go so far as to work against Jews and blacks, then you're a hypocrite. Haggard's hypocrisy was on quite a grand scale, worse I think than even what Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker did, because they weren't going around denouncing adulterers and trying to illegalize whores every ten minutes.

Haggard was in a position where he could have been particularly helpful in spreading love and stemming hatred; instead, he chose to use that platform to spread hatred and stifle love. He knew what it was like to be homosexual, to have feelings that you can't help, and to know that the struggle was impossible; he knew what it was like to have to hide what he was.

But he lied through his teeth and gave everyone to understand that homosexuality is nothing but a perversion, a choice that one can make or not make as one wishes, and that anybody could overcome it if only they believed hard enough. He made it harder for people like himself, forced them to keep hiding in pain as he was hiding in pain.

How can that be OK?

You know, for those of us who dwell in the private sector, those of us who are completely unknown beyond the orbits of our families, our friends, and our workplaces, being closeted (though by no means helpful to anyone) is not harmful. But when you enter the world stage, when you step up onto the podium and broadcast your words to thousands of people in your congregation and millions of people watching you on television, you give up the right to privacy that we private-sector nobodies enjoy. For a public figure to be closeted harms people because it perpetuates the need for a closet.

You know, if all these Congressmen and preachers and actors would just come out already, just shrug and say "yeah, I'm gay, so what," the whole world would change. The world would be a place where you can say to your mother and your grandpa and your boss and your mailman, "yeah, I'm gay, so what?"

The fact that they don't is what keeps people like you cowering in your closets. How can you be OK with that? I've never even been in the closet and it's sure as hell not OK with me.
 
No, he's right on this one. That's what he's trying to say, Ted *wasn't* on track by doing all those things. Preaching against gay marriages and secretly having gay sex is definitely not being on the right path. Thats why he needs to make adjustments and make his lifestyle consistent with his beliefs aka "getting back on track".

Except what he's done is say that "part of my life is repulsive and dark"

(i.e.. the title of this thread)

He's not going to make adjustments to his life at all, he's going to keep badmouthing the gay comunity and act like we're all sick fucks.

Sorry.. not biting.

I know that the idea of being outed is scary to you... as it should be.

Doesn't change the fact that he's wrong.
 
no, I have hatred towards hypocrits who attack my way of life.

Hey, if you want to get married and live a lie.. it's your choice. Stupid though it may be.

but since you have openly told us that you fight against gay marriage, plan to get married and have sex with men on the side, that makes you a hypocrit... so yeah.. you're one of the ones I'd out if I had the chance.

You attack me, don't expect me to just sit there and let you do it.
 
but since you have openly told us that you fight against gay marriage, plan to get married and have sex with men on the side, that makes you a hypocrit... so yeah.. you're one of the ones I'd out if I had the chance.


I'd help you do it.

I don't know what is sadder..... Self loathing faggots or people who are to stupid to understand they are in the wrong.
 
And Zorkatron, if you knew how many people privately IMed me after my post to thank me for standing up to soilwork, you'd take your words back. So many people on this board feel the same exact way about soilwork but are scared shitless to get involved and experience his scathing responses.

here is one example:


so you are saying there are self loathing faggots here that are too gutless to stand up for themselves.... who would have thought that :rolleyes:
 
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