They're baaacckk!

[JayHawk]

There, I've reduced your post to the comments that actually relate to the topic. No one has said what OWS says should be ignored. People need to see things, like these clips of the hateful people within OWS. They need to hear every word that comes out of the mouths of some of these simple minded fools. Then let people decide if they want to accept any advice on the economy from a group that allows people like this as members.

There is no need for anyone to destroy OWS. Just get out of the way. They're doing a great job all by themselves!

Thanks I was about to do the same thing. The rant of the other party bullshit won't cut it. The fact is OWS is not pursuing the means to which we have to effect change in this country. They had a chance but chose to remain this allusive group of non-committed to anything but protesting group of disgruntled people. No one with caves to demands of nothing.

 

[T-Rexx]

You mean the articles that Paul neither authored of approved?

You mean the "demonstrator" that OWS neither authorized nor approved?

Please, give it up already!

Nobody called all of OWS anti-Semitic either. Some of them are robbers, some are rapists, there's a good number of dopers, mental defectives and generally violent people along with a smattering of people who have a real interest in legitimate change. So, they're actually pretty diverse. Better!?

Sounds exactly like the Republican Party. Some robbers, some rapists, a good number of dopers, mental defectives, and generally violent people with a smattering of almost normals. And not ALL of the GOP are anti-Semitic, either.

 

[jackoroe]

Good gosh! Seems the OWS Facebook page was sporting an anti-Semitic cartoon on it's wall. It was subsequently taken down, but not before a screen capture got it for posterity. So busted!

Occupy Facebook Page Touts Jew Hating Cartoon

 

[Kulindahr]

Just as we can look forward to the return of the Swallows to San Juan Capistrano every Spring, we can now look forward to the OWS lunatics crawling from beneath the rocks they call home.
Here's a fine example of a 99 percenter showing off his very attractive anti-Semitic qualities!

Anti-Semitism At Occupy DC's 'Emancipation Day'

Happy Emancipation Day!

And we can look forward to the same irrational, fallacy-filled posts from someone who ought to be an example on the board.

<sigh>

 

[jackoroe]

And we can look forward to the same irrational, fallacy-filled posts from someone who ought to be an example on the board.

<sigh>

Where's the fallacy? He's an OWS supporter and anti-Semitic.

 

[Kulindahr]

This argument seems to me an impossibility.

Yes -- it's internally inconsistent: if there are no leaders, then there can be no design; anyone designing the movement would qualify as a leader.

 

[jackoroe]

Yes -- it's internally inconsistent: if there are no leaders, then there can be no design; anyone designing the movement would qualify as a leader.

Good. Give us the names and prove your point.

 

[Kulindahr]

There, I've reduced your post to the comments that actually relate to the topic. No one has said what OWS says should be ignored. People need to see things, like these clips of the hateful people within OWS. They need to hear every word that comes out of the mouths of some of these simple minded fools. Then let people decide if they want to accept any advice on the economy from a group that allows people like this as members.

There is no need for anyone to destroy OWS. Just get out of the way. They're doing a great job all by themselves!

Nice attempt to dodge, but you just re-booted the same fallacy: you're painting the entire movement with the example of a few.

Maybe we should ask if anyone should pay attention to JUB, since it allows you as a member.

 

[Kulindahr]

Good gosh! Seems the OWS Facebook page was sporting an anti-Semitic cartoon on it's wall. It was subsequently taken down, but not before a screen capture got it for posterity. So busted!

Occupy Facebook Page Touts Jew Hating Cartoon

So what you're saying is that the OWS people have to turn into the same rigid authoritarian type of group you favor in posts before you'll accept them as worth listening to?

 

[jackoroe]

So what you're saying is that the OWS people have to turn into the same rigid authoritarian type of group you favor in posts before you'll accept them as worth listening to?

Look, if you want to entertain anything a group that posts anti-Semitic cartoons on their wall, feel free. If you think whatever they have to say is important enough to ignore their hatred for Jews, be my guest.

First we'll blame the Jews, then we'll kill them. I've seen this movie before. I won't sit quietly by while it happens again.

 

[jackoroe]

Nice attempt to dodge, but you just re-booted the same fallacy: you're painting the entire movement with the example of a few.

Maybe we should ask if anyone should pay attention to JUB, since it allows you as a member.

Occupy Facebook Page Touts Jew Hating Cartoon

In case you missed it, this is a screen capture of the official OWS Facebook page The one they had to delete after it was screen captured. We can legitimately draw a conclusion about an organization based on what they choose to put on their Facebook page. This isn't the work of some rogue member, but of the organization itself.

They are hate mongers. Unless they can prove somebody hacked their page, they're responsible for this atrocity.

The bigger question is why would decent people support a hate group like this, unless they were of a like mind?

 

[Kulindahr]

Where's the fallacy? He's an OWS supporter and anti-Semitic.

Here:

Logical Fallacy - 31. Misleading Vividness - a very small number of particularly dramatic events are taken to outweigh a significant amount of statistical evidence.

In this case, Jackoroe has posted a video of one OWS member and his radical beliefs and has generalized the rest of the movement as "lunatics crawling from beneath the rocks they call home" with "anti-Semitic qualities." Considering I've been a part of several rallies and assembly meetings myself, am I also this inhuman, crawling creature you're describing, jackoroe? Is Kulindahr as well, for marching with me in protest?

No, I was smart -- I was marching next to the most awesome guy in the place.

 

[Kulindahr]

Good. Give us the names and prove your point.

What???????

 

[Kulindahr]

Look, if you want to entertain anything a group that posts anti-Semitic cartoons on their wall, feel free. If you think whatever they have to say is important enough to ignore their hatred for Jews, be my guest.

First we'll blame the Jews, then we'll kill them. I've seen this movie before. I won't sit quietly by while it happens again.

Logical Fallacy - 31. Misleading Vividness - a very small number of particularly dramatic events are taken to outweigh a significant amount of statistical evidence.

In this case, Jackoroe has posted a video of one OWS member and his radical beliefs and has generalized the rest of the movement as "lunatics crawling from beneath the rocks they call home" with "anti-Semitic qualities."

Lose the fallacy.

 

[Kulindahr]

Occupy Facebook Page Touts Jew Hating Cartoon

In case you missed it, this is a screen capture of the official OWS Facebook page The one they had to delete after it was screen captured. We can legitimately draw a conclusion about an organization based on what they choose to put on their Facebook page. This isn't the work of some rogue member, but of the organization itself.

They are hate mongers. Unless they can prove somebody hacked their page, they're responsible for this atrocity.

The bigger question is why would decent people support a hate group like this, unless they were of a like mind?

It can't be "the organization itself", since you said there aren't any leaders. So presumably anyone who bothers to register with the group can post on the facebook page (which if it works like their web page is true, because I posted on it).

The "thinking" you're using here is that of a bigot determined to hate, oblivious to fallacies or even common sense, just seizing on anything that will feed the hate.

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[JayHawk]

So since this entire thread is about them being back and not the single solitary one guy who hates Jews because they are stereotypically wealthy and bankers... since it isn't about that Kuli

Then what is next for the leaderless and pointless movement that never seems to achieve anything?

 

[Kulindahr]

You think trying to get the corruption out of politics is "pointless"?

 

[JayHawk]

So their stated goal is to get corruption out of politics?

OK

So how do they propose we do that? More camping?

EDIT: BTW like I said previously when this was a raging emotional topic // I LIKE A MAJORITY OF THEIR STATED ISSUES // but they DO nothing to achieve them. I predicted Americans will not continue to support failure. I suppose this summer we get to see if I am correct.

 

[jackoroe]

So their stated goal is to get corruption out of politics?

OK

So how do they propose we do that? More camping?

EDIT: BTW like I said previously when this was a raging emotional topic // I LIKE A MAJORITY OF THEIR STATED ISSUES // but they DO nothing to achieve them. I predicted Americans will not continue to support failure. I suppose this summer we get to see if I am correct.

Spot on. There were some good ideas. Camping out (which isn't a Constitutional right) didn't accomplish much to that end. The directionless OWS crowd is being co-opted by radicals who will ultimately destroy them from within. I'd be looking for them to start becoming more disruptive and violent this summer.

 

[palemale]

I agree with you Kuli. When I pointed that out, my post got removed. I have the right to remain silent on this thread, I guess.