This greasy piece of shit is going to tell me that being gay is wrong?

[justaguy]

I loved this sarcastic comment left on youtube to that video.

It is a fact that God will actually hear your prayers quicker if you sway back and forth and pray screaming in a squeeky, high pitched voice.

That about sums it up for me.

 

[yummylongsword]

Yeah, so let's just pray that hate disappears...

Nah, let's post sarcastic one line responses that don't actually mean anything.

 

[fetaby]

Nah, let's post sarcastic one line responses that don't actually mean anything.

Hate the sin, love the sinner!

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Methinks he doth protest too much!

$100 says he'll be caught anointing a choirboy's face with his "holy spirit".

 

[yummylongsword]

Because love is all we need?

Bullshit. The only hate here is the one directed towards us. When all other options fail and people are treated like outcasts and sinners, getting angry is the LEAST one should expect.

Anger is something you feel towards a specific person that has wronged you. Hate and prejudices are felt towards an entire group of people, regardless of what they have done, what they're like, or whether you know them.

Both anger and hate are natural responses to previous hate. Does that matter? Are you saying that it's alright to express rage and hate because they were expressed towards you? Perpetuating a cycle does nothing, and in the end both parties are just as bad as each other.

On the other hand, tolerance and compassion can get you far. Trying to educate people about gay rights, attempting to connect with those who don't understand you. That actually makes progress for everyone. Spewing hate back and forth does nothing, and I can't believe you actually think that hating an entire group of people (or anyone, for that matter) is a good thing.

I get angry and I judge, but I try to better myself. I would hope others would too.

 

[BearBoi]

Because love is all we need?

Bullshit. The only hate here is the one directed towards us. When all other options fail and people are treated like outcasts and sinners, getting angry is the LEAST one should expect.

Mind if I chime in?

That's fine. Anger is a natural human response, and I would expect it. I feel it too.

They feel it as well, although twisted through a lens of fear. I believe that is the root of most of their hate.

What I see as the crux of our difference is in what we do with it. Anger is a powerful energy, but only when harnessed and channelled into productive avenues of response. Otherwise, it burns like a fire and consumes the one who holds it in their heart.

I get angry, then I get focused, and all that anger becomes a fuel.

I've written some of my best responses to their assertions in open debate while pissed right off my rocker. But while I'm typing my eyes are focused, my mind is clear, my fingers a blur as my points flow like a singing blade's edge through their stupidity. Then it falls away, unraveling ribbons, until they are naked and inevitably lash out. Because in the end, that is all they have; loud screaming, for without the feigned fervour maintaining the illusion of righteous conviction, their words wriggle like maggots on the tongue waiting to take flight. And everybody can see them for what they are.

And they know it.

I am sure that even the most deluded of them know it. They may still believe their points, but they know how those points sound when they speak them quietly, and people can really hear them, think about them, see them.

So yes, get angry. Get furious. Then use it effect positive change.

That's my take on the anger this type of thing evokes.

 

[Kensei]

How the hell are child youth services not involved?

 

[fetaby]

 

[paintact]

And EVEN if someone does believe being gay is a sin doesn't mean that they necessarily hate gay people, just like how Christians don't necessarily hate everyone that tells a lie, or that drinks, etc.

That kind of thinking makes no sense to me.



Then it certainly means they don't see you...or me...or anyone else here... as an equal. Thinking that a fundamental part of yourself of which you did not choose is a sin (or a choice) is just illogical.
Why do people keep making excuses for these kinds of folks?
And doing it with a smile on your face and "having gay friends" does not make it ok. In fact, makes it even worse.


Coming from a Christian background...I get it. Lumping everyone together and such is, of course, not fair.
But I think several of the other posters here make good points in that when the opposition comes, it unfortunately comes from religious groups a good majority of the time - in this country at least, various groups/individuals who 'claim' to be Christians. And it certainly affects the image and 'face' of the religion...especially in the context of politics and current social issues.

As I've always said, for all the Christians who claim to not be like that...why are you not more vocal in calling out the liars and hypocrites who ruin the name and face of your religion/faith? On a national level, why so silent?

I think what happens is that there are plenty of intelligent and accepting Christians that actually do try to be Christ-like and are not like these haters whatsoever, and thus there tends to be a certain amount of defensiveness displayed when others (outside the faith, or even fellow Christians) analyze and critique the situation, and even more so the bigger over-arching issues regarding religion as well. I can see why it happens. When I was younger and very involved, I felt that too. Later, when I found that my spirituality can be, and is, a personal thing that doesn't need organized religion...I was able to step back and see things from a different, more comprehensive, and analytical perspective...and now I get it.

 

[Sigma-taylor-E]

I laugh every time I hear the term "homosexual demons"...hahahah

 

[oakpope]

I'm gay and I'm a roman catholic and I have no problem with that. I have many problems with the folks who claim to speak in the name of God or Jesus to say that gay people have demons inside of them. Stupidity, ignorance, blindness of heart and mind can be found in any group of people, alas. The "homosexual hate" that can be seen in these so called "fundamentalist christians" is only based on tradition and political conservatism. There is not one ounce of religion in their "preachings"/ramblings.

 

[mbamike]

Ignorance abounds in religion. . . and laziness too.

People would rather sit and hear someone else's opinion rather than study for themselves to form their own opinion for we are to "study to show ourselves approved of God."

Now, when the Bible speaks of abominations or detestable things, it is talking about idolatry which in an abomination to God, for he is a jealous God.

Levitical Law:

"If a man [Hebrew word "ish"] lies with a male [Hebrew word "zakhar"] as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination;. . ." Leviticus 20.13.

Zakhar is a male, human or animal, who has been dedicated to a deity. In this case, Molech, as mention in verse five of the same chapter. Hence, the zakhar in this case is a cult temple male prostitute for Molech. Therefore, the sin is idolatry.

Sodom and Gomorrah:

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them, when I saw it." Ezekiel 16:49-50

The abominable things they did was to worship idols. Hence, no condemnation of homosexuality.

 

[SonOfSlobone]

I disagree, I think that pastor is hot. Love to see him take off his pants and squeal like a pig...

 

[oakpope]

I find him hot too, but he would require a change of brain before anything can happen

 

[teadrinker]

It may well be that the majority of Christians, in America and world-wide, are decent, hard-working inclusive folk who are doing their best to make the world a better place. And in fact I'm proud to know several such.

But it's the dickheads like this pastor who make the most noise, and so when non-Christians think of Christianity now, most of them think of institutionalized child abuse, rampant homophobia, hatred, narrow-mindedness, thoughtlessness and plain good old-fashioned stupidity.

-T.

 

[Telstra]

It may well be that the majority of Christians, in America and world-wide, are decent, hard-working inclusive folk who are doing their best to make the world a better place. And in fact I'm proud to know several such.

But it's the dickheads like this pastor who make the most noise, and so when non-Christians think of Christianity now, most of them think of institutionalized child abuse, rampant homophobia, hatred, narrow-mindedness, thoughtlessness and plain good old-fashioned stupidity.

-T.

True, majority of Christians/Muslims are good people but they support the not so Holy books.

 

[yummylongsword]

Really? Then do us all a favor and go preach in any church about god and the gays. Let's see how well that goes for you and how much tolerance and compassion you'll get. lol

I have. I talk to religious people EVERYDAY about my sexuality. I've gone to many Churches before, openly gay and agnostic, and they've all been accepting and welcoming. Your hate blinds you to the truth (which sounds like a really religious thing to say, but it's true). The truth, in my opinion, is that NOTHING is black and white. Religious folks are not simply evil, just like you are not simply gay.

You may be trying to better yourself

But

I already love myself and proud to be gay. I also demand to be treated equally. I don't care if it's called hate or whatever. I'm not the insecure hater, they are.

Oh, but you are being treated equally. Golden rule anyone? You hate them, they hate you. Then you hate them some more, and guess what you get back: MORE HATE! Who would have thought hate would foster more hate? Huh, that's just weird, right?

Perhaps if you take the high road, people that previously hated you might see you and your goodness and have a change of heart. Honestly, what else is going to change them? If you provide them with exactly what they're expecting (hate), then what is going to encourage them to change their views? On the other hand, if you surprise them with your compassion and friendliness, maybe they will see that gays really aren't that different.

Hating and screaming at people does NOTHING except foster more hate and screaming. What's the point? It makes you feel justified and righteous, and that's about it. How can you complain about something someone does to you, and then do exactly the same thing back? I don't under stand it, I don't get it. It's not like stealing where you can just go get your stuff back... you can't just give their hate back to them and say "sorry, this isn't mine, you keep it." The only way to stop the hate cycle is to STOP HATING.

 

[yummylongsword]

A quick google brings up good information about the acceptance of homosexuality in religion.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/d...shows_strong_catholic_support_for_gay_rights/

http://www.publicreligion.org/research/published/?id=579

Polls conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute say that 74% of Catholics support gay marriage or civil union, and that a majority of those within a mainstream white denomination support gay marriage.

So those that say the "vast majority" or even "most" Christians oppose gay rights are just plain wrong.

Further, it's certainly possible to oppose gay marriage and still be perfectly accepting towards gay people. In fact, I know several gay people that oppose gay marriage for reasons of their own. So in all likelihood, the amount of religious folks that are tolerant and accepting of gay people are probably higher than those who support gay marriage.

Data, bitches.

 

[yummylongsword]

How often do you mention your JUB screen name to them?

I thought this thread was about Christianity. How many southern Baptist churches have you been to?

First of all, the stuff I do here on JUB is definitely personal and is not to be shared with ANYONE except possibly my boyfriend. Anonymity is nice yeah? You can do weird sexual things and make arguments that go against the will of the gay community.

Secondly, all the churches I've been to have been Christian. I'm sorry that I was unable to seek out Churches that would provide me a negative experience. I mean, considering that I've never experienced homophobia personally and I wouldn't be friends with someone who hated gay people, I probably wouldn't end up visiting a terribly hateful Church.

Why are you expecting him to take the high road first? How come you're advising a gay man who resents homophobia to take the high road instead of homophobic people? It is a homophobic person's responsibility to change, is it not?

When a homophobic religious nut enters the thread, I'll be sure to ask him to stop hating. Until then, I'll work with the people and debate at hand.

Well, he isn't telling them that they will go to hell for being heterosexual, is he? So, no, he is not doing the same thing that you're accusing him of. There is a significant difference. He knows this and I know this. Why don't you know this?

Blame, pointing fingers, trying to justify bad actions with "they deserve it!" and pushing the responsibility onto the other party. That's all you're doing. No matter how much you try to justify it, blind prejudiced hatred is not good and does nothing.

Honestly, I'm curious as to what you hope to gain from justifying your hatred. What will it bring you? A sense of satisfaction, knowing that you're right? Fine. But... what about marriage and equal rights? I'm pretty sure it won't bring you that.

 

[fetaby]

Honestly, I'm curious as to what you hope to gain from justifying your hatred. What will it bring you? A sense of satisfaction, knowing that you're right? Fine. But... what about marriage and equal rights? I'm pretty sure it won't bring you that.

I'll show you mine, when they show me theirs... What justification do they have for hating us? What do they hope to accomplish with their hate?

Blame game is old.