Thoughts after Sandy Hook

[Kulindahr]

That was one of the lamest things I've ever seen in advocating something. "Demand a plan" -- what does that mean? Martial law would be a plan. Making everyone wear skin-tight clothes would be a plan. Forbidding the publishing of shooters' names would be a plan. Funding a hundred new mental health facilities would be a plan. Drilling everyone in America in martial arts would be a plan.

 

[HenryReardon]

Wow. So much for the claim that conservatives use logic and reason: any thinking person can see that your "three legitimate functions" are only one.

Three distinctly different functions, none of which could be effectively done by individuals or groups.
If citizens desire anything else (fire protection etc) they have the ability to request it and the obligation to pay for it.

 

[iwantbig]

i'm not sure of the statistics , how many of your mass shootings are by legal weapons and how many are by illegal weapons ?
if every one in the united states who owned legal fire arms decided they didn't really need them anymore and gave to the government freely to be destroyed without asking for compensation , would it solve your problems ?
How many illegal weapons would still in circulation ?
we had most of our legal weapons taken away about 16 years ago , i don't think it made a difference !

 

[andysayshi]

That was one of the lamest things I've ever seen in advocating something. "Demand a plan" -- what does that mean? Martial law would be a plan. Making everyone wear skin-tight clothes would be a plan. Forbidding the publishing of shooters' names would be a plan. Funding a hundred new mental health facilities would be a plan. Drilling everyone in America in martial arts would be a plan.

I understand your criticism. But I think this is a "gut reaction" piece, not a substantive statement or recommendation.

Let's be honest: the US has the most reprehensible gun death record in the industrialised world, by a very large margin. I believe it is the right (and perhaps the duty) of US citizens to demand answers, and potential changes. There is nothing unique about the US culture that justifies 30,000 gun deaths per year.

 

[andysayshi]

we had most of our legal weapons taken away about 16 years ago , i don't think it made a difference !

Actually, it halved the rate of gun-related deaths, and to date has eliminated mass shootings. A massive difference, in fact.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

I wonder if Jews living in Germany in the 1930's/40's would agree.

If every Jewish person had a gun in Nazi Germany they wouldn't have out muscled that powerful industrialized military machine from conducting that horrific atrocity, but maybe could have used it on themselves in a more humane way. Where the Jewish people did oppose and fight the Germans with guns, the conflicts were short and the result never favored success. Though I sure would have fought with a weapon had I had one. I can understand the reasoning and agree on the merit.
If a very well trained and supplied US military ever turns on a segment of the US population as Germany did your assault rifle will do you no good, its silly to think it would. This is not 1774, and the militia wasn't how the US won the war with Great Britain. Nor the southern civilians in 1863 who were well armed throughout the region slow Sherman's US Army march and rape of the South

 

[HenryReardon]

If you really study what was going on in Germany during that era, you'll learn that many Jews regarded themselves as good Germans and didn't believe that anything bad could or would happen to them. Many of them finally woke up after the events of Krystallnacht

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

There's are reasons why we have the right to own and bear firearms and all of them are valid

 

[Kulindahr]

If every Jewish person had a gun in Nazi Germany they wouldn't have out muscled that powerful industrialized military machine from conducting that horrific atrocity, but maybe could have used it on themselves in a more humane way. Where the Jewish people did oppose and fight the Germans with guns, the conflicts were short and the result never favored success. Though I sure would have fought with a weapon had I had one. I can understand the reasoning and agree on the merit.
If a very well trained and supplied US military ever turns on a segment of the US population as Germany did your assault rifle will do you no good, its silly to think it would. This is not 1774, and the militia wasn't how the US won the war with Great Britain. Nor the southern civilians in 1863 who were well armed throughout the region slow Sherman's US Army march and rape of the South

Better to go down fighting than to just lie down and submit.

BTW, the militia is in fact how the Americans beat Great Britain: it provided a core who already knew how to use their weapons and had a basic grasp of discipline and tactics. Militia fighting as militia has mixed results, but Washington could turn militia into an army pretty darned fast.

 

[HenryReardon]

Better to go down fighting than to just lie down and submit.

BTW, the militia is in fact how the Americans beat Great Britain: it provided a core who already knew how to use their weapons and had a basic grasp of discipline and tactics. Militia fighting as militia has mixed results, but Washington could turn militia into an army pretty darned fast.

Yep, starting at Bunker Hill and Concord.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yep, starting at Bunker Hill and Concord.

I believe Breed's Hill was more important, though Lexington was more or less the trigger.

 

[Rolyo85]

Better to go down fighting than to just lie down and submit.

BTW, the militia is in fact how the Americans beat Great Britain: it provided a core who already knew how to use their weapons and had a basic grasp of discipline and tactics. Militia fighting as militia has mixed results, but Washington could turn militia into an army pretty darned fast.

Point of fact - many Jews did NOT go down at all. They all would have in your fantasy gun land.

 

[Kulindahr]

Point of fact - many Jews did NOT go down at all. They all would have in your fantasy gun land.

Sure. That's why Schindler armed the Jews he rescued -- to make sure they died.

 

[Rolyo85]

That was after. When first Jews were rounded up, they stood NO fighting chance, and their resistance would have resulted in their instant death.

 

[Ben1]

This discussion is really spooky. Incredible, frightening.
To connect the topic to the Holocaust is outrageous. You will take every argument to keep your weapons. You don´t want to protect the kids, you want to protect your guns. You don´t want a serious debate. Hidebound. Unteachable. Everybody knows, more guns - more violence. The time is over for Cowboys, guys. Take a lesson from Australia. But you don´t want to see that.
I hope you will be happy with your guns - and more dead children, husbands, wives, suns, daughters, friends... Good night and good luck.

 

[Corny]

Godwin's Law

 

[Ben1]

That`s true, corny. But they have to google it, our little cowboys.

 

[Jack Springer]

Godwin's Law

Yep. The discussion usually degrades into Springer Law also.

Springer Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of someone being called a racist increases and finally takes over the discussion.


A Blessed Christmas to Everyone.

 

[Rolyo85]

Playing victim is ever so mature...

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanuka etc.

 

[Kulindahr]

That was after. When first Jews were rounded up, they stood NO fighting chance, and their resistance would have resulted in their instant death.

As the JFPFO notes, it would have been better to have gone down fighting.

 

[Kulindahr]

Godwin's Law

Try telling that to the JFPFO.