Thurs, 29th: President Obama on The View

[Lostlover]

right.... Politicians do the late night scene all the time. this is just one more excuse to fixate on the evils of the Oberlord Obama and his Obamabehaviors and Obamaworld and the Obamasupporters.

after a while it gets tedious and childish.

He is the president and he has passed historic legislation in a very short time. I think he could have done more, but I can't think of many who could have done better.

That, I don't think anyone can argue with. But the concessions are too much. The concessions on offshore drilling and pushing for a smaller than needed stimulus package frustrate the people that vote for him.

Not only that, Obama had a real chance of killing Reagonomics. He instead start to talk about pay-as-you-go, something Reagan talked about BUT never did.

 

[Lostlover]

I haven't gotten the paper yet, but I will read it this afternoon. I did originally say that Krugman acknowledged the opposition, I don't believe that he has said that the a greater stimulus bill could have been passed.

I do want to point out to you and Nick that, if I remember my 8th grade Civics, that it does not matter how many seats a party has in the legislature, it only matters how many votes a particular bill can get. Given the fact that most of the Republicans are saying that the stimulus has not done anything and the hostility to everything that the Dems have tried to do and the constant use of the filibuster, I see no reason not to believe the administration when they say that they did not have the votes. In fact, it denies rationality to believe otherwise.

It is silly to continually blame Obama for all of Washington's failures when the opposition is so unprecedentedly intransigent. The constant use of Filibuster is not the way that the Congress was ever meant to work, it is sabotage of the process and it is the Republicans that really deserve everyone's contempt.

I see from the polls that Obama has lost the mercurial and undependable support of young Americans which may explain LL's loss of faith & hope, on the upside maybe we won't have to endure all those rants about old people.

And which group here does Dr. Krugman belong to?

And kudos too for responding to a post without having read the article in question.

 

[palemale]

Yeah yeah yeah. ObamaNation excuses. That's all we ever get from ObamaNation: empty promises, lazy effort, lame excuses and lots of finger pointing at people who weren't the ones in power. You wanted Barack Obama to be President, he became President and with that comes responsibility. What a pathetic cess pool of excuses for failure!


Barack Obama's stimulus bill was crap, badly crafted and too small, bloated with tax breaks and pork and entitlement benefits that did nothing to create long term jobs and turn around our economic mess to a healthy growing direction.

It was crap. I said so at the time and it was true.

And that was Obama's fault. Given the circumstances, our supposedly brilliant President should have been hunkered down with the best economic minds in the country (including Nobel Prize winner Krugman as a matter of fact) and crafting historically brilliant legislation instead of body surfing in Hawaii.

I see you didn't answer my question to you above. You are such a hypocrite. You treat Bill Clinton like God, yet he had no legislative record to be proud of. He barely had a legislative record at all. He had Democratic majorities in both house of Congress, yet in his first two years, they passed DADT, and he signed it. The legislation Obama passed is historic. It may be imperfect, it may not have everything we would like, but it is far better and far reaching then anything Clinton achieved.

 

[NickCole]

^Neither Obama or the "best economic minds in the country" write legislation, politicians in Congress write the legislation and they look our for their themselves and their constituents.

Anybody who wants to, writes legislation.

And some of our best Democratic Presidents have sent legislation to Congress, including Clinton and LBJ and FDR.

Congress passes it, but anybody can formulate it.

 

[iman]

Bills must be introduced by a member of Congress, they must be considered by the appropriate committees and voted out of committee, they can be amended, and they can go to reconciliation and of course there is no point in fighting for a bill unless the votes are lined up.

Palemale makes an excellent point about past administrations and reminds all of us that you are again holding this administration to an unrealistic standard. Do you have any standards for the Republicans because they are the benefactors of your constant attacks on Obama.

 

[Lostlover]

Bills must be introduced by a member of Congress, they must be considered by the appropriate committees and voted out of committee, they can be amended, and they can go to reconciliation and of course there is no point in fighting for a bill unless the votes are lined up.

Palemale makes an excellent point about past administrations and reminds all of us that you are again holding this administration to an unrealistic standard. Do you have any standards for the Republicans because they are the benefactors of your constant attacks on Obama.

The Republicans have no ideas. Fortunately for them they have the right demographics where they can not offer real and actionable solutions and still get votes.

I'm not asking for a lot. I'm just asking for Obama to bury past ideas that don't work and listen to the base.

 

[Lostlover]

Good to see you coming out of the ether Lostlover..Obama lost one of his most ardent fans when he lost you..

I probably admire him more than anyone in history. But I'm pissed at how I believe he's squandered a golden opportunity in the name of bipartisanship when his detractors want to derail his presidency.

He should remind people that the republicans' strategies have lead us to this debt crisis. He can shoot down their ideas(Laffer Curve, deregulation, etc.) now but isn't. He can set future generations on a democratic tilt but he isn't.

I think even some of the older posters here will ackowledge that their generation has left this country a mess. Obama can change the trajectory of this country.

 

[iman]

The Republicans have no ideas. Fortunately for them they have the right demographics where they can not offer real and actionable solutions and still get votes.

I'm not asking for a lot. I'm just asking for Obama to bury past ideas that don't work and listen to the base.

I can't argue with that. I think that there are real criticisms to be made of the administration, but we don't see legitimate criticism JUB. I did get to read Krugman's column and agree with some of it, but the Republican opposition has to be factored into everything the administration does, just like one has to take into consideration the terrorists when dealing with problems in the mideast.