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If we read or have ever read history it is all too evident that all great civilizations either come to an end or go into a state of atrophy and are no longer as significant as they had been in times past.

A non exhaustive glance at the current state of things in America tells me that we are in bad shape.
A crumbling infrastructure
A dysfunctional, ineffective school system
A dysfunctional health care system
We are trillions of dollars in debt
We have high underemployment
No body (really) likes us :help:

Take a look at all of the people who want to run our country, :cry:

How long do we have?
 
peeonme said:
If we read or have ever read history it is all too evident that all great civilizations either come to an end or go into a state of atrophy and are no longer as significant as they had been in times past.

A non exhaustive glance at the current state of things in America tells me that we are in bad shape.
A crumbling infrastructure
A dysfunctional, ineffective school system
A dysfunctional health care system
We are trillions of dollars in debt
We have high underemployment
No body (really) likes us :help:

Take a look at all of the people who want to run our country, :cry:

How long do we have?
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tis fa movie?

anyway

tinku
 
As Samuel Clemens reportedly said, "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

The decline of America has been prophesied ad nauseum by naysayers and Luddites alike for the better part of two centuries. There was always some fatal flaw presaging our doom.

Listening to the heralds of decline easily leads us to see the rot, the decay. Yet we continue to discover new truths about the science of the world around us, and the philanthropists continue to give record amounts like Ted Turner, the Annenbergs, the Gates, and Zuckerbergs. Nations like China and Russia have clawed their way up through the 20th century from actual feudalism to almost join the First World in technology and other standards, in some degree to the US intervention in WWII which spared the Chinese from the Nipponese Empire and the Russians from their erstwhile Nazi allies.

Your list of woes for America includes real ills, but not surmountable and short compared to most of the world's nations. The national debt was dire before the Clinton Administration and then diminished under good economic times. The interest rates are finally starting to budge after an actual depression, not recession, since 2007 one that has been incredibly mild when compared with both the 1929 collapse as well as the one at the beginning of the 20th century.

Look back to the middle of the 20th century when we were supposedly in Halcyon Days if you believe pap such as Happy Days or Leave It to Beaver. In truth, we were only in an economic boom, while Black Americans lived as a permanent underclass in more than just the South. Big companies ran roughshod over the land, polluting with DDT, PCBs, and a myriad of chemicals that resulted in staggering birth defects and cancers and environmental impacts. Foreign policy was leading us rapidly to the brink of disaster in Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba. We experienced numbing entropy in the 1960s that erupted in riots, assassinations, and gross abuses of office in the Pentagon, White House, FBI, and CIA.

As Will Rogers aptly said, "Things ain't what they used to be and probably never was." Remember when all the schools were doing "great," we didn't have nearly so many going on to college and we ignored the black school system that was grossly inferior but no one cared. At least we're looking at the entire population now and not just the middle class.

And "nobody really likes us"? Really? Are we in junior high for the nations? We are a world power. We are not in the business of being popular. We make decisions. We enact trade and diplomacy and prosecute wars. We act on behalf of our allies. We yet turn away many thousands who want to come here, and it isn't because they "don't like us." You can't make a generalization like that -- it's unprovable.

To answer your question, we have a couple of hundred years left at least, come Hell or global warming.
 
NotHardUp1 said:
As Samuel Clemens reportedly said, "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

The decline of America has been prophesied ad nauseum by naysayers and Luddites alike for the better part of two centuries. There was always some fatal flaw presaging our doom.

Listening to the heralds of decline easily leads us to see the rot, the decay. Yet we continue to discover new truths about the science of the world around us, and the philanthropists continue to give record amounts like Ted Turner, the Annenbergs, the Gates, and Zuckerbergs. Nations like China and Russia have clawed their way up through the 20th century from actual feudalism to almost join the First World in technology and other standards, in some degree to the US intervention in WWII which spared the Chinese from the Nipponese Empire and the Russians from their erstwhile Nazi allies.

Your list of woes for America includes real ills, but not surmountable and short compared to most of the world's nations. The national debt was dire before the Clinton Administration and then diminished under good economic times. The interest rates are finally starting to budge after an actual depression, not recession, since 2007 one that has been incredibly mild when compared with both the 1929 collapse as well as the one at the beginning of the 20th century.

Look back to the middle of the 20th century when we were supposedly in Halcyon Days if you believe pap such as Happy Days or Leave It to Beaver. In truth, we were only in an economic boom, while Black Americans lived as a permanent underclass in more than just the South. Big companies ran roughshod over the land, polluting with DDT, PCBs, and a myriad of chemicals that resulted in staggering birth defects and cancers and environmental impacts. Foreign policy was leading us rapidly to the brink of disaster in Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba. We experienced numbing entropy in the 1960s that erupted in riots, assassinations, and gross abuses of office in the Pentagon, White House, FBI, and CIA.

As Will Rogers aptly said, "Things ain't what they used to be and probably never was." Remember when all the schools were doing "great," we didn't have nearly so many going on to college and we ignored the black school system that was grossly inferior but no one cared. At least we're looking at the entire population now and not just the middle class.

And "nobody really likes us"? Really? Are we in junior high for the nations? We are a world power. We are not in the business of being popular. We make decisions. We enact trade and diplomacy and prosecute wars. We act on behalf of our allies. We yet turn away many thousands who want to come here, and it isn't because they "don't like us." You can't make a generalization like that -- it's unprovable.

To answer your question, we have a couple of hundred years left at least, come Hell or global warming.
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anoda movie script?

tinku

hard fa apeess move on froms millio ears gos innit
 
NotHardUp1 said:
As Samuel Clemens reportedly said, "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

The decline of America has been prophesied ad nauseum by naysayers and Luddites alike for the better part of two centuries. There was always some fatal flaw presaging our doom.

Listening to the heralds of decline easily leads us to see the rot, the decay. Yet we continue to discover new truths about the science of the world around us, and the philanthropists continue to give record amounts like Ted Turner, the Annenbergs, the Gates, and Zuckerbergs. Nations like China and Russia have clawed their way up through the 20th century from actual feudalism to almost join the First World in technology and other standards, in some degree to the US intervention in WWII which spared the Chinese from the Nipponese Empire and the Russians from their erstwhile Nazi allies.

Your list of woes for America includes real ills, but not surmountable and short compared to most of the world's nations. The national debt was dire before the Clinton Administration and then diminished under good economic times. The interest rates are finally starting to budge after an actual depression, not recession, since 2007 one that has been incredibly mild when compared with both the 1929 collapse as well as the one at the beginning of the 20th century.

Look back to the middle of the 20th century when we were supposedly in Halcyon Days if you believe pap such as Happy Days or Leave It to Beaver. In truth, we were only in an economic boom, while Black Americans lived as a permanent underclass in more than just the South. Big companies ran roughshod over the land, polluting with DDT, PCBs, and a myriad of chemicals that resulted in staggering birth defects and cancers and environmental impacts. Foreign policy was leading us rapidly to the brink of disaster in Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba. We experienced numbing entropy in the 1960s that erupted in riots, assassinations, and gross abuses of office in the Pentagon, White House, FBI, and CIA.

As Will Rogers aptly said, "Things ain't what they used to be and probably never was." Remember when all the schools were doing "great," we didn't have nearly so many going on to college and we ignored the black school system that was grossly inferior but no one cared. At least we're looking at the entire population now and not just the middle class.

And "nobody really likes us"? Really? Are we in junior high for the nations? We are a world power. We are not in the business of being popular. We make decisions. We enact trade and diplomacy and prosecute wars. We act on behalf of our allies. We yet turn away many thousands who want to come here, and it isn't because they "don't like us." You can't make a generalization like that -- it's unprovable.

To answer your question, we have a couple of hundred years left at least, come Hell or global warming.
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tl;dr

Can we get the cliff's notes version of that?
 
Well, denial is not just a river in Egypt, is it? @NotHardUp1, do you really think that we can continue as we are going? My post was not about "the good old days" as you imply.
Although in the days of the Beaver we did build an interstate freeway system. Also it would be good to take note that when our buddy Bill Clinton balanced the budget that we had an economy based in the dread awful manufacturing industry that could carry the load, it is not so today, we borrow money to subsidize displaced workers from the nation that we gave that industry away to. Clever move!

As far as the jr. high remark is concerned, have you read some of the posts on here? A nation can't survive just because it's a "world power", the truth is that we have to borrow money to be a world power. The truth is that many people around the world (not just on JUB) blame us for the mess in the middle east.

I think we are like that awful relative that no one deals with unless they have too.

We may well be around for a few hundred more years, but in what condition? Look at our cities, what a mess. The roads, the bridges, the schools...

Sorry if I rocked your boat a little, but things are not good.
 
You've just now realized this?

It's not just the U.S., it's "western civilization" period.
It will fall because of who is really in control, the leaders will collapse it from within intentionally.
 
ElmosToe said:
You've just now realized this?

It's not just the U.S., it's "western civilization" period.
It will fall because of who is really in control, the leaders will collapse it from within intentionally.
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Of course I didn't just now realize this, I hesitate to mention it as seems to piss people off to hear it.
 
We ARE responsible for the Middle East in large degree, but it's not the first cluster we, or any other of the empires, have caused, and it won't be the last.

And if you are using JUB as a representative voice of the world, then think again. It's not even a representative voice of gay men. It is a select sampling of a few people in a few subcultures in a very few countries. And we have a couple of snipers ever ready to decry the USA but never give credit where due, despite vacationing here and doing business in our economy.

Clinton's economy wasn't merely manufacturing. It was technology, energy, etc.

There is a difference between denying our problems and thinking we are always about to be swamped.

My boat is steady. You're not the first in my path to say the end is near, and there will surely be others.

Yes, we will continue, and some problems will get fixed, others will worsen, and new ones will arise. Adapt.
 
Next, or soon to be This, year, 2016, on July 4th, we will officially be 240 years old. That might sound like a lot, but in relation to the other countries on this planet, we're still just a "Kid".

Granted, we are a Super Power, if not THE Super Power, but that has only been since WWII, just 70 years ago. We're a "Kid" with a BIG Stick! And, Yeah!, that makes us Dangerous. Though we profess nothing more than Good Intentions, many of our Knee Jerk reactions have caused a Lot of Trouble, especially in the Cauldron of the Middle East which has been boiling for THOUSANDS of years!

We have to keep in mind that we're still an Experiment, acting, reacting, moving, testing, flexing, reflecting, and sometimes stepping on our own toes. We're still a bumbling, fumbling, somewhat awkward Juvenile.

Some may think we're the world's first Democracy. That is not the case. The concept of Democracy dates back to Ancient Greece, an incredible Empiric power, a rival to Rome, Egypt, and the Persians. However, their execution of Democracy was not quite as inclusive as what we've been trying, and still are, since we have yet to get the Equality part thoroughly, completely, right.

Beyond all odds, we somehow managed to barely eek out a victory over the reigning world power that was Britain, in no small part of being able to enlist the help of France (Thank You, Ben!), which was also a monarchy, which was the very system we were revolting against! And, sure enough, following our "example", the citizens of France soon made the French Monarchy regret the assistance they had rendered a young upstart.

The core concepts that our Founding Fathers established ended up disrupting The World, and we're still at it. We become the country of Dreams. We are the magnet of Liberty and Equality. A beam of LIGHT in a world of Human darkness and despair.

Though we may not be "liked", even my little city, that thinks it's small town, proudly boasts that every race, people from every country, can be counted among our CITIZENS. That expansive diversity, the welcoming inclusion, is unparalleled anywhere else on the Planet. It's one of the core concepts that has made us as strong as we are.

Yeah! We have our problems, but, the thing is, we're still working on them. There are SO many things that still need to be addressed. However, we're lucky enough to have the resources, and determination, to continue pursuing the goals that our country was founded upon.

We have survived surprise attacks. We have weathered political inanities. We have slogged through the inequalities of rampant, insensitive, Capitalism, and still are.

But, in spite of all that, we're still going, experimenting, fighting, and revolting, striving to meet the Ideals/Ideas we were originally founded under.

How long we can keep it up? Who knows.

I'm comforted in the thought that we'll keep trying!

All the more reasons to ... No Matter What ...

Keep Smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz :luv:
 
^ya do nose boat planet earth?
_just sayin_

anyway

far far far away

tinku
 
NotHardUp1 said:
We ARE responsible for the Middle East in large degree, but it's not the first cluster we, or any other of the empires, have caused, and it won't be the last.

And if you are using JUB as a representative voice of the world, then think again. It's not even a representative voice of gay men. It is a select sampling of a few people in a few subcultures in a very few countries. And we have a couple of snipers ever ready to decry the USA but never give credit where due, despite vacationing here and doing business in our economy.

Clinton's economy wasn't merely manufacturing. It was technology, energy, etc.

There is a difference between denying our problems and thinking we are always about to be swamped.

My boat is steady. You're not the first in my path to say the end is near, and there will surely be others.

Yes, we will continue, and some problems will get fixed, others will worsen, and new ones will arise. Adapt.
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We can't fix what we don't own, your boat is not steady. When you read a post such as mine you get angry, after all, we had 8 years of a liberal and things really aren't as they should be, we all know that.
That's not to say that Obama didn't do a good job, he was handed a mess.

We have to deal with reality, this country has no direction today, no JFK pointing at the moon. (sorry, I know that you don't like space)
What are our goals as a nation? What is our vision? Where there is no vision the people perish (so the Bible says) What is our identity?

Are we the people who fucked up Vietnam? Iraq?

Why do we have homeless people? Our for profit health care sucks and we know that it does.

I have always adapted and survived, it didn't happen because I pretend that all is right with the world or our nation.
Some remind me of kids who live in a home with an alcoholic, all problems get swept under the rug, we don't want to upset daddy!

FDR didn't build a middle class by sticking his head in the sand, today we have a nation that thinks it can get by quite nicely without a middle class, but, lets not talk about it, quiet now.
 
The fact that so many JUBers have noted America's challenges gives me hope that America will meet those challenges.
Half the battle is recognizing what we're up against. You guys got that covered.
 
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