Too many effeminate images of black gay men on television

[Rolyo85]

Well I am sorry, but that just brings us back to "the black community needs to grow the fuck up". And I find your insistence on equating "feminine" with "negative" - this time directly in a sentence, not even as an implication - to be utterly offensive.

Feminine guys - of any color - have earned the right to be represented. They've paid for it. Have the butch black gay men? Oh wait, no. Cause most of them are too scared to come out.

And sorry to rain on your reverse racism, but this is not in any way some special black gay issue. White "masc" guys are the same whiny bitches when it comes to all those mythical feminine gays on TV...

 

[refujiunderground]

Well I am sorry, but that just brings us back to "the black community needs to grow the fuck up". And I find your insistence on equating "feminine" with "negative" - this time directly in a sentence, not even as an implication - to be utterly offensive.

Feminine guys - of any color - have earned the right to be represented. They've paid for it. Have the butch black gay men? Oh wait, no. Cause most of them are too scared to come out.

And sorry to rain on your reverse racism, but this is not in any way some special black gay issue. White "masc" guys are the same whiny bitches when it comes to all those mythical feminine gays on TV...

what's funny about this is you act like there's a strong black lgbt community like there is for white people because that's NOT. we're apart of the lgbt community BUT the lgbt community in america favors whites in comparison to everybody else so we feel left out. whenever i hear white lgbt people cry about discrimination for being gay, i sometimes laugh because us nonwhites have to deal with being discriminated in society for who we are from birth. we pretty much grow to expect it because we've dealt with it forever. it's even funnier to say that there's a good amount of white lgbt people that actually are racist themselves. you'd think that they would sympathize with people that are being discriminated against because they are themselves but don't let's not pretend that white lgbt people have a stronger community and support group compared to anybody else. if you're white in the lgbt community, it's way easier to get support from other lgbt people than if you're black. you do realize that though right? you act as if prejudice doesn't exist in the lgbt community. just because rupaul and noah arc are on logo doesn't mean a fucking thing.

and another thing too. i don't see how your point about how homophobia in the black community is on the same level as racism. it's not.

 

[refujiunderground]

it's no different than any other homophobia problem outthere in the world. i think you and some of these guys are a bit confused. when someone is homophobic, they don't give a fuck what color you are. they're not going to like you because you're gay. that's that. i think that saying that black people can't say that they're victims of racism for not tolerating homosexuality is ridiculous especially when the lgbt community has the same damn problem with racism. if the black community changed it's views of homosexuality, it damn sure isn't going to stop the racism in the lgbt community, is it? the problem is everybody wants them to respect their struggles BUT they don't want to respect everyone elses struggle. it's fucked up.

at the end of the day, you don't have to deal with racism for the most part because you're white. even if you're gay, you only face homophobia if you reveal that you're gay. you can HIDE your sexuality by not saying shit about it or giving any hints BUT you can't hide your skin color. you don't have to worry about racism. homophobia and racism are both forms of prejudiced but two different struggles. just be happy that you're white and gay where you only have to worry about homophobia from society. you wouldn't be able to deal with racism talking about reverse racism.

 

[MorrisseyX]

Well I am sorry, but that just brings us back to "the black community needs to grow the fuck up". And I find your insistence on equating "feminine" with "negative" - this time directly in a sentence, not even as an implication - to be utterly offensive.

Feminine guys - of any color - have earned the right to be represented. They've paid for it. Have the butch black gay men? Oh wait, no. Cause most of them are too scared to come out.

And sorry to rain on your reverse racism, but this is not in any way some special black gay issue. White "masc" guys are the same whiny bitches when it comes to all those mythical feminine gays on TV...

Your comment comes across as someone who is extremely ignorant about race issues. All across the globe there are serious problems with homophobia, you try being gay in Serbia, Russia, Poland, Ukraine and see what happens to you over there. So your racist comments about black people need to grow up illustrates your tunnel vision.

Also reverse racism doesn't exist when white men still hold the power in America. If you want to talk about communities that need to grow up why don't you preach to the white Republican party and their homophobic attitude. Your paternalistic comments are offensive and really illustrate your immaturity.

 

[refujiunderground]

Your comment comes across as someone who is extremely ignorant about race issues. Also reverse racism doesn't exist when white men still hold the power in America. If you want to talk about communities that need to grow up why don't you preach to the white Republican party and their homophobic attitude. Your paternalistic comments are offensive and really illustrate your immaturity.

agreed. he doesn't get it.

 

[-Kane-]

Well I am sorry, but that just brings us back to "the black community needs to grow the fuck up". And I find your insistence on equating "feminine" with "negative" - this time directly in a sentence, not even as an implication - to be utterly offensive.

Feminine guys - of any color - have earned the right to be represented. They've paid for it. Have the butch black gay men? Oh wait, no. Cause most of them are too scared to come out.

And sorry to rain on your reverse racism, but this is not in any way some special black gay issue. White "masc" guys are the same whiny bitches when it comes to all those mythical feminine gays on TV...

See comments like these is where I break ranks with you Gay Mafia members.. Who the fuck are you to lecture "the Black Community" on anything? Just what is it you're trying to prove or disprove?

FACT: Effeminate Black Gay Men are over-represented on television.

That is indeed a fact so there's nothing left to argue about....unless you just like being a "whiny bitch".

 

[Phantas33]

^and thus the question is raised (more to the OP than to anyone else):

If YOU think there are too many negative representations of Black Gay Men on TV , what are YOU going to do about it?

If YOU want to make a change, rally up forces, UNITE and SPEAK OUT. If you remain silent forever nothing will be resolved and the inequality will remain.

IMHO, this is the point Rolyo is trying to make, and you don't wanna see it as you hide behind perhaps factual but in any case mental bloccades of White supremacy. If you live in fear you'll be ruled by it. Start chat groups with other butch black gay men or whatever, try and get a backing for your case and then take them to instances that can help you with them. For fuck's sake people, this is 2013 and the people have more avenues to pursue cases like this than EVER before. I.E. stop whining, Take Action.

Just FYI, I think you have a perfectly legitimate case but I only hear a lot of "we can't", "they're scared" etc and absolutely NO word about possible ideas or solutions YOU can achieve.

 

[youfiad]

Yes, because the majority of black men on TV are portrayed as flammers. If you're talking about gay black men, then I would advise you to pay attention to gay men in general on TV................................

 

[refujiunderground]

^and thus the question is raised (more to the OP than to anyone else):

If YOU think there are too many negative representations of Black Gay Men on TV , what are YOU going to do about it?If YOU want to make a change, rally up forces, UNITE and SPEAK OUT. If you remain silent forever nothing will be resolved and the inequality will remain.

IMHO, this is the point Rolyo is trying to make, and you don't wanna see it as you hide behind perhaps factual but in any case mental bloccades of White supremacy. If you live in fear you'll be ruled by it. Start chat groups with other butch black gay men or whatever, try and get a backing for your case and then take them to instances that can help you with them. For fuck's sake people, this is 2013 and the people have more avenues to pursue cases like this than EVER before. I.E. stop whining, Take Action.

Just FYI, I think you have a perfectly legitimate case but I only hear a lot of "we can't", "they're scared" etc and absolutely NO word about possible ideas or solutions YOU can achieve.

what can we do about it? do you think that the tv execs actually give a fuck enough to care about the concerns whether people protest or make enough fuss about it or not? the only time they give a fuck is when they lose money, when sponsors start pulling away advertising, or when the ratings start to slip because of the negative controversy. give me a fucking break with your "stop whining and take action". if you can't stand the thoughts and opinions going on in the thread, you can just leave the thread. we're not forcing you to stay and read our opinions.

what i'm tired of is people that are ignorant trying to shove their little opinions about shit they don't care to know acting like they know it already. maybe that's why you act like things are 1, 2, 3 easy when it's a whole lot more complex than you think it is.

 

[MissAnne]

It is probably easier for a white guy gay or straight to take on a gay role than a black male actor. A black actor gay or straight would have to deal with real stigma playing a gay role. Will Smith refused to kiss a guy in Six Degrees of Separation because he worried about what his family or friends in Philadelphia would think.

Yeah, that was stupid. He later said that he should have been mature enough to do it.

Well I am sorry, but that just brings us back to "the black community needs to grow the fuck up".

That's a mess ^

Dont lump us all in there together.

Not every black gay guy wears make up, or a dress, and is a sassy snap queen. There are plenty of us who are real men.

Isn't a man in a dress still a man.

 

[refujiunderground]

Yeah, that was stupid. He later said that he should have been mature enough to do it.

well, i don't believe that for a second considering that he's one of the long rumored closet cases in hollywood. he has a lot to lose.

 

[Rolyo85]

All I see is more of the same "you don't know what it's like to be gay and black." We'll, yes, I don't. You all don't know what it's like to grow up gay in Eastern Europe, yet all you see is a white guy and you stereotype me the same way you complain of being stereotyped yourself.

Oh, and since there have been so many comments about how things are "in the black community", I feel justify to lump it together. The other side is doing it too, so why shouldn't I?

I want to ask something: how much representation of feminine black gay men is "too much"? How much is "just enough"? I thought the problem was LACK of OTHER representation, not TOO MUCH of the "wrong" one. Except, it's all about femmephobia, yet again. It's just masked as "us chill masc black gays are underrepresented." The true intent - conscious or not - is to bash on the femme boys.


And to whoever said blacks are segregated in the LGBT community - I'm sorry but that's not my impression as a gay guy living in Boystown, Chicago. It sucks if that's the case somewhere else, but here it's completely integrated.

And playing the constant victim is twenty flavors of unattractuve.

 

[refujiunderground]

All I see is more of the same "you don't know what it's like to be gay and black." We'll, yes, I don't. You all don't know what it's like to grow up gay in Eastern Europe, yet all you see is a white guy and you stereotype me the same way you complain of being stereotyped yourself.

damn right, i don't know. you don't see any of us trying to act like we know how it is for gay men in eastern europe trying to offer solutions as if we know how it is to be you and at the same face, putting down someone elses struggles as if it's not shit.

as for your comment towards blacks being segregated in the lgbt community, i think you're not understanding the whole idea of what's being said. it has nothing to do with people living together in a community. it has to do with the power structure and basically the gap that is bridged where everyone basically is viewed as the same where they aren't viewed as being different. unfortunately, the lgbt community happens to cater to a certain crowd such as "desirables" and haves" and tends to isolate those that are "nondesirables and have nots". look at it like this, you have different groups within a community. you have white lgbt people, black lgbt people, asian lgbt people, young lgbt people, old lgbt people, middle age lgbt people, skinny lgbt people, obese lgbt people, rich lgbt people, famous lgbt people, powerful lgbt people in society and etc. it so happens that white lgbt people happen to have most of the say in the lgbt community because that's where the power lies. there happens to be a good amount of powerful lgbt people, rich lgbt people and etc that happen to be white. they happen to control magazines, groups, clubs, money and etc where they can basically control how the lgbt community is seen by society as well as the lgbt community itself. they have a lot of influence so they put out the image that they want to be shown and it might leave out people whether knowingly or unknowingly which happens to not include those that are outthere that lack a voice because they're not powerful in numbers.


there is a reason why gay magazines, publications and etc usually direct their attention towards gay white guys and nobody else. even going further, they only cater to a specific population within the gay white guys where they go into the "this is what the typical gay man is where he's young, attractive, muscular, in shape, lives in the suburbs and etc". you can pretty much say that the power structure in the lgbt community is basically controlled by a certain number of people and they pretty much control us. the lgbt community is actually diverse and divided. as a friend told me, if it weren't for the whole gay rights movement and being discriminated in society for being gay, there would be NO lgbt community because most gay people wouldn't even give a fuck about the next gay person. it just so happens that everyone is banding together because society rejects us and even so, everything is NOT how it seems.

 

[kayman23]

The OP is right.. Too many Queens on TV.

 

[kayman23]

I am absolutely disgusted and offended by this post, and I am not even black. And I am sick and tired of ignorant backward macho idiots who think that "masculinity = good, femininity = bad". Why the fuck should anyone care what those dumb fucks think?

RuPaul has more courage and backbone than Rosa Parks.

Hold up! What?

You need to fall back. I mean seriously, fall back! RuPaul ain't did shit compared to anybody brave enough to risk their safety and/or lives during the American Civil Rights movement. All that fool has done is dressed in drag, meanwhile Rosa Parks was threatened, spat on, and thrown in jail numerous times. Sorry, but no bueno...

 

[Rolyo85]

Hold up! What?

You need to fall back. I mean seriously, fall back! RuPaul ain't did shit compared to anybody brave enough to risk their safety and/or lives during the American Civil Rights movement. All that fool has done is dressed in drag, meanwhile Rosa Parks was threatened, spat on, and thrown in jail numerous times. Sorry, but no bueno...

You'll forgive me if I don't waste time on responding to you. I've explained that one comment in further posts. If you've read them, you know exactly what I meant. I doubt you did though.

 

[MissAnne]

All I see is more of the same "you don't know what it's like to be gay and black." We'll, yes, I don't. You all don't know what it's like to grow up gay in Eastern Europe, yet all you see is a white guy and you stereotype me the same way you complain of being stereotyped yourself.

Who said that ?

I didn't say anything about Eastern Europeans, but here you are talking about my entire community.

AND...the entire LGBTQ is segregated where Im from.

 

[Rolyo85]

Who said that ?

I didn't say anything about Eastern Europeans, but here you are talking about my entire community.

AND...the entire LGBTQ is segregated where Im from.

No, actually it's been OP and others who have been talking about your - and their - entire community. I'm just responding to their comments.

 

[Rolyo85]

Yes. You go ahead and guilt trip Black men for not devoting their time to being activists for equality when you were born with privilege above equal without even trying. This and your insensitive comments earlier perfectly illustrate how so folks struggle to understand circumstances outside of their own.

I don't agree with the OP's stance, but your comments directed towards Blacks thus far on this thread have been beyond suspect.

Well black men are already guilt-tripping their feminine brothers for being who they are and for somehow being responsible that they're getting more representation in media.

And I wouldn't bring up white privilege into this discussion if I were you. As you can see in the other thread, I'm the last one who'd argue with its existence but femme white boys don't have it that much easier than femme black boys. And if they do, it's not due to privilege but because the white segment of the gay community isn't as unified in its hatred of femininity as the black one is.

In other words, I don't care if you'll play victim and call me a racist for this, but this one is entirely the fault of other black people. White privilege didn't make you femmephobic.

 

[-Kane-]

I don't care if you'll play victim and call me a racist for this, but this one is entirely the fault of other black people. White privilege didn't make you femmephobic.

Ok, I've had just about all I can take of your cantankerous ramblings and flame throwing.
Here's what I need you to do:


KISS IT!


I'm so done here!
buh bye