Top senate Dems willing to take DADT off the table

[JB3]

What good? You're head is so up your partisan ideological ass that you probably didn't feel the shockwaves it sent through the US economy, consumer confidence, as well as costing thousands of people their jobs.

MY partisan ideological ass? Do you really want to go there considering that every one of your posts in the last week could read from democratic propaganda?

Look, a government shutdown is one of those things that needs to happen every decade or so. Right now its just a threat on the periphery of congress-critter's vision, but they're not taking it seriously. They don't believe that it would actually get to that point, that their partisan B.S. would actually cause the government to stop functioning.

Both parties need to learn that they can't ram their B.S. down each other's throats and get away with it. If it takes a government shutdown for them to get that message, then so be it.

 

[JayHawk]

It is disturbing to know that which you put all your hope into is a failure in the eyes of so many.

 

[Kulindahr]

A change of pace:

from Rep. Patrick J. Murphy:

When I ran for public office in 2006, I became the first Iraq war veteran to be elected to Congress. Unfortunately, my time in the House of Representatives will be coming to an end soon -- but I still have some unfinished business. Last May, I promised those young men and women whom I counseled that I would do everything in my power to put an end to DADT so they could serve their country openly and proudly.

That's why I led the fight in the House to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," passing historic legislation in May that is now in limbo in the Senate. With Veterans Day coming up on Thursday and only a few weeks left until the Senate's lame-duck session ends, the clock is running out on repeal -- perhaps for years to come.

Now I'm asking you to help me finish the job. With the lame-duck session starting Monday, I need you to sign the Courage Campaign's petition to Senators Reid, Levin, McConnell and McCain immediately. Once the U.S. Senate is back in session, I'll deliver your signature -- and nearly 600,000 other signatures collected by Courage supporting repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."


Everyone take a time out to sign his petition. Send these out to everyone you know:


For veterans and families:

http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/DADTRepealVets


For everyone else:

http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/DADTRepeal

 

[JB3]

So you're rooting for the US economy to get worse.

Got it.

Just like the rest of your conservative cohorts. You don't care what it does to the well being of this nation as long as you get your way. You know that's what earned Gingrich the term "crybaby."

But you know what happened? America saw right through it and elected Clinton to a second term. The same will probably happen with Obama. History is repeating itself.

You know what JB, sometimes for the greater good things need to happen. This is one of those times. When people realize what damage hyper-partisanship does, in a very graphic way, something will change.

I'm not surprised you're resorting to your same tired personal attacks, though. Seems that the democratic losses have sent you on a post-menstrual rage in the last few days...

 

[Stardreamer]

So I guess our hopes now lie in the only group making effective progress on overturning DADT, Gay Republicans. At least Obama is not fighting them...oh wait he is.

 

[thevofl]

DOJ Asks Supreme Court to Deny Log Cabin Request

Now I know there is more to it than the following, but I want to note the irony here: Some Republicans (LCR) are fighting to repeal DADT, while some Democrats (Obama's DOJ) are fighting for it to remain.

 

[thevofl]

Lacking in intelligence are we?

First Person Plural?

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm not surprised you're resorting to your same tired personal attacks, though. Seems that the democratic losses have sent you on a post-menstrual rage in the last few days...

Were you awake when you wrote that?

First Person Plural?

Sounds like the "bedside plural" nurses use....

 

[CowboyBob]

Cindy McCain has split with her husband about DADT.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...hn-on-don-t-ask-don-t-tell.-Meghan-s-with-mom

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20022662-503544.html

She stated:

“government treats the [gay] community like second-class citizens.”and does not give young people hope.

It's going to be a cold night in the McCain bedroom.

 

[JayHawk]

Me thinks it was a cold night about 20 years ago when McCain stopped getting it up...

 

[Kulindahr]

The Archangel Michael, commander of heaven's hosts, could come down from heaven and tell John McCain that as the oldest of all warriors he finds DADT foolish and an insult to men and women God gave the give of battle skills, and McCain would tell Michael he knew nothing because he hadn't fought in a modern war.

 

[scream4ever]

There is word now that the report may be released early.

 

[Ninja108]

I'm personally sick of McCain and his supporters acting as his service to our country makes him immune from criticism. Sorry,McCain is a coward who lacks the courage to stand up to the religious right. The courage he showed back then apprently doesn't exist anymore.

 

[hotatlboi]

There is word now that the report may be released early.

Hopefully it is. The results have already leaked. And they indicate the military support for repeal is about the same as the general public's (~70%).

But the report needs to be released saying that to have any hope of getting Republican support in the Senate.

 

[JB3]

"And the democrats are one senator down since Roland Burris is no longer in office. "

Kirk won't be sworn in until Dec. 3. Burris will remain senator until then, in which time a vote to break cloture could likely come up.

Not true. The moment the election was decided for the lame-duck senator, Burris was out of office. (under Illinois law, citizens must elect a senator to fill the seat from election day until the start of the new congress.)

 

[JB3]

Won't. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, he voted against DADT and in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act.

He also said he "fought" in Operation Desert Storm, which he did not. If he says that the sky is blue, I'd need to verify.

He says he's an independent, with which I agree. Independent from decency, the truth and an interest in the American people.

In my less-than-humble opinion, I think he's just another Republican scumbag. His cutesy pooh choir-boy demeanor doesn't fool me a bit.

No, its actually really not clear how he'll vote. If the military says that they have no problem with a repeal, I'd wager he would vote for repeal.

And I'd watch your tongue; you're entitled to your opinion, but you really don't know anything about Kirk or what happened during and following the election. (other than what you've apparently been spoon-fed by democratic activists) There's a reason why he won in Illinois, and it has more to do with his independence than it does with anything else.

 

[Kulindahr]

Hopefully it is. The results have already leaked. And they indicate the military support for repeal is about the same as the general public's (~70%).

But the report needs to be released saying that to have any hope of getting Republican support in the Senate.

That was my thought -- it's already leaked, it may as well be made official.

If I may indulge a wild hope, it will say that national security requires we get those Arabic- and Parsi-speaking people back, and it would be of substantial benefit to have never discharged the rest of the 13k -- in other words, this policy has been harming our country.

 

[scream4ever]

^^^Let's not forget too that what was also leaked was that there would be minimal to no risks/disruptions involved. The worst would be living quarters and shower facilities, and that such disruptions would easily be dealt with on an individual basis.

 

[Kulindahr]

^^^Let's not forget too that what was also leaked was that there would be minimal to no risks/disruptions involved. The worst would be living quarters and shower facilities, and that such disruptions would easily be dealt with on an individual basis.

In other words, easier than the integration of non-whites into the ranks.