Trump 'rigged' vote claim may leave lasting damage

[Benvolio]

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002

US House of Representatives: 297 Yeas, 133 Nays

US Senate: 77 Yeas, 23 Nays​

Nice words, but was not the Iraq war one of preemption? What did she vote for if not preemption?

 

[TX-Beau]

this is what Clinton supporters fail to understand. they continually spin Hillary's past decisions as 'immaterial'.

Hillary supports pro-war regime change, a militaristic stance that demands America be involved in perpetual war.

The reason for this is the military industrial complex relies on 'emergencies' to drum up support for more and more funding from the federal budget.

the pentagon is fighting with entitlement spending, the military contractors know the more that is spent on social programs, the less that can be spent on their militaristic cash cow that is the business of war.

the warmongers and the politicians who support them in this country are not fighting for America's security, they are playing tug of war with grandma's social security check, higher education spending and healthcare programs like medicare. they are fighting to line their own pockets.

its about dollars, and its Hillary's Achilles heel.

Clinton supporters must ask themselves if they feel comfortable sacrificing important social programs in order to prop up Clinton's desire for ever escalating conflicts, fear mongering over Russia, and the blowback caused in the form of terror groups speading across the middle east and europe.

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You really should be posting more, I can't imagine shit-posting for Trump is going to pay all that well after next week.

 

[eastofeden]

That question is a dodge. The real question is whether anyone should have voted for war with Iraq, given that there was no evidence they had been involved in any action against us, and that the Bush idea of pre-emptive war is imperial beyond measure.

Hillary voted for imperialism, pure and simple.

Hillary was the Senator from New York..the State that had been attacked. She did what any Senator from a State that had been attacked would do given the INFORMATION form the Bush Administration...who coincidentally "lost" 22 MILLION EMAILS

So obviously...this is not a real issue for the Republicans because they had no problem with losing 22 million emails....and how many of our people died in foreign embassies under Bush? Where was the investigation???????

It is obvious that Republicans hate her and the endless waste of money and time looking for anything they can to convict her of something..it is shameful ....and transparent to anyone who is paying attention.......

 

[Benvolio]

Hillary was the Senator from New York..the State that had been attacked. She did what any Senator from a State that had been attacked would do given the INFORMATION form the Bush Administration...who coincidentally "lost" 22 MILLION EMAILS

So obviously...this is not a real issue for the Republicans because they had no problem with losing 22 million emails....and how many of our people died in foreign embassies under Bush? Where was the investigation???????

It is obvious that Republicans hate her and the endless waste of money and time looking for anything they can to convict her of something..it is shameful ....and transparent to anyone who is paying attention.......

Bill and other democrats were already "determined" to stop Saddam from obtaining and using weapons of mass destruction before Bush was elected. See # 53 below.
Where did this 22 million emails come from? It would take the whole federal government to generate those. Were any classified? That is the issue. If Hillary had not ignored ti clasifies status, there would have bee no investigation.

 

[Kabluey]

Bill and other democrats were already "determined" to stop Saddam from obtaining and using weapons of mass destruction before Bush was elected. See # 53 below.
Where did this 22 million emails come from? It would take the whole federal government to generate those. Were any classified? That is the issue. If Hillary had not ignored ti clasifies status, there would have bee no investigation.

Republicans claim those who don't agree with them are un-American.
Republicans fabricate intelligence data.
Democrats vote on evidence presented.

Republicans president unfurls Mission Accomplished banner on aircraft carrier prematurely.
War continues.
Republicans who pose as Bernie Bros blame Hillary.

 

[evanrick]

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You really should be posting more, I can't imagine shit-posting for Trump is going to pay all that well after next week.

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you can lie to yourself all you want about who you think i support. hillary clinton is taking votes away from progressive candidates across the country and shes doing it with her own track record. if you have a problem with people expressing real concerns because hillary clinton, a corrupt warmonger surrounded by bush cronies, thinks they can avoid accountability and that somehow sets a good example for the progressive - i question your ethics and your progressive credentials.

 

[Kulindahr]

^^The assertion posted here by evanrick is that as a result of HRCs vote, she was directly responsible for the United States invasion of Iraq.

One needs to separate fiction, from reality...that the Iraq Resolution was a bi-partisan policy that received overwhelming support from both sides of the aisle.

The rest is a pedantic use of empty space, filled with meaningless words.

Of course she was responsible, along with all the other who voted for it. Otherwise, none of them were responsible.

 

[Kulindahr]

Agreed. With the benefit of hindsight, most of us we agree that it was a mistake. It is typical of democrats to advocate it, support it, vote for it an then pretend it was all the fault of Republicans.

The information was there at the time to know it was a mistake. Iraq had given Bush an open invitation to send in a thousand inspection teams to go anywhere they wanted with whatever security they wanted to assure themselves there were no weapons of mass destruction. Only someone who WANTED bloodshed could have looked past that.

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Pretty much precisely this.

So no one was responsible, it just happened.

 

[Kulindahr]

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002

US House of Representatives: 297 Yeas, 133 Nays

US Senate: 77 Yeas, 23 Nays​

My vote is not a vote for any new doctrine of preemption or for unilateralism or for the arrogance of American power or purpose, all of which carry grave dangers for our Nation, the rule of international law, and the peace and security of people throughout the world. – Hillary Clinton


5 Myths (And One Big Truth) About Hillary’s 2002 Iraq War Vote (Huffington Post; February 2016)

What a polished way of saying "I wasn't voting for what I just voted for".

 

[Kulindahr]

Hillary was the Senator from New York..the State that had been attacked. She did what any Senator from a State that had been attacked would do given the INFORMATION form the Bush Administration...who coincidentally "lost" 22 MILLION EMAILS

So obviously...this is not a real issue for the Republicans because they had no problem with losing 22 million emails....and how many of our people died in foreign embassies under Bush? Where was the investigation???????

It is obvious that Republicans hate her and the endless waste of money and time looking for anything they can to convict her of something..it is shameful ....and transparent to anyone who is paying attention.......

No, she did what anyone without regard for all the information available would do in order to satisfy not the truth or their best interests but the emotions of her constituents.

In other words, she didn't act to do her job, she acted to keep it.

 

[opinterph]

Nice words, but was not the Iraq war one of preemption? What did she vote for if not preemption?

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002

 

[gsdx]

Of course she was responsible, along with all the other who voted for it. Otherwise, none of them were responsible.

In a way, Trump was responsible, too. He supported the war in the beginning. Over time, he flip-flopped and, after the war began, he realised what a bad idea it had been. Still, if he had had a vote at the time, he would have voted the same way Hillary did.

I expect a lot of people who voted for the war realised too late how Bush had hoodwinked them.

 

[Kabluey]

In a way, Trump was responsible, too. He supported the war in the beginning. Over time, he flip-flopped and, after the war began, he realised what a bad idea it had been. Still, if he had had a vote at the time, he would have voted the same way Hillary did.

I expect a lot of people who voted for the war realised too late how Bush had hoodwinked them.

Trump lies with abandon and his fan club seem too dumb to want to believe anything other than what he tells them at any given moment.
He really has captured the stupid vote quite remarkably.

It's almost like a national intelligence quiz at this point.

 

[Benvolio]

AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002

Exactly: preemption.

 

[nsguy2]

I don't get why who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq is such an issue. Did not most of the country turn on the United Nations Member Countries who weren't for it? With France taking the bulk of the heat.

 

[nycguydowntown]

Hillary was the Senator from New York..the State that had been attacked. She did what any Senator from a State that had been attacked would do given the INFORMATION form the Bush Administration...who coincidentally "lost" 22 MILLION EMAILS

So obviously...this is not a real issue for the Republicans because they had no problem with losing 22 million emails....and how many of our people died in foreign embassies under Bush? Where was the investigation???????

It is obvious that Republicans hate her and the endless waste of money and time looking for anything they can to convict her of something..it is shameful ....and transparent to anyone who is paying attention.......

Thank you---living in the shadow of the World Trade center ----it was a tough call----but she was our Senator and the country came together behind a moron like Bush---9 months after stealing the election----the email thing is a joke as the real conman criminal is trump who no one cares to investigate. And repubs never hated her until she ran for president----

 

[gsdx]

I don't get why who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq is such an issue.

Canada took a lot of flack as well when our prime minister refused to bow to Bush and stayed out of the invasion. The fact that we opened our doors to the Americans who were forced to land here when all flights were halted was quickly forgotten by Bush. He wouldn't even allow Chrétien near Ground Zero.

But it's not really 'who' supported it. It's Hillary who is being held to blame even though, at the time, Trump supported the invasion as well. But Trump has convinced his supporters that Hillary is unfit to be president because she voted for the war. Her confession of having made a big mistake and her apology mean very little, as does Trump's original support.

 

[Kabluey]

It wasn't just Canada. Every traditional ally that did not join the coalition of the willing was subjected to the same.
Remember Freedom Fries anyone? When the Bush government turned toxic on the very country that gifted them the country's enduring symbol of freedom?
Remember when Giuliani and Cheney wanted to expel the UN from New York?

Remember the threatened sanctions, trade deals, debt relief, money supply, arms deals and diplomatic tie threats made internationally by Bush?
Ever wonder why the rest of the world didn't care much for GW?

 

[TX-Beau]

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you can lie to yourself all you want about who you think i support. hillary clinton is taking votes away from progressive candidates across the country and shes doing it with her own track record. if you have a problem with people expressing real concerns because hillary clinton, a corrupt warmonger surrounded by bush cronies, thinks they can avoid accountability and that somehow sets a good example for the progressive - i question your ethics and your progressive credentials.

Awwww, that butt-hurt must sting. I hear there's an ointment for that.

 

[TX-Beau]

No, she did what anyone without regard for all the information available would do in order to satisfy not the truth or their best interests but the emotions of her constituents.

In other words, she didn't act to do her job, she acted to keep it.

DAMN THE BITCH FOR REPRESENTING HER CONSTITUENTS!!!!!!!

...oh wait...

Please, let's hear you list and excoriate every politician who supported that. All the while insisting it was solely the fault of each and every one of them.

This is a bullshit claim, pushed by bullshit myopathy.